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The Discussion of MJ's Unreleased Tracks

AlwaysThere said:
Seems presumptuous given that he didn’t abbreviate any other song titles. Not to mention that he also wrote “Teddy do overdubs” next to it.
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You have a point, however, he did abbreviate “Messin’ Round” as well on that list. What is perhaps most interesting is that underneath “Teddy do overdubs” is written “get lyrics from writer”.

What writer? If it is Ghosts we are talking about, Michael wrote it with Teddy. Was Ghost Of Another Lover written by an outside writer?
 
Pentum said:
Just checked the Monster acappella, nothing special going on there. I think you are just referring to the sound effect (spinning plate sound), which is a common sound
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Yeah, I was talking about the spinning plate sound.
dam2040 said:

Ne-Yo talks about working with Michael.

- Started roughly towards the end of 2008
- Met in Lyor Cohen's house in New York
- Ne-Yo was writing for Michael, he says they were going to record after This is It tour had finished
- No MJ vocals but he did help write/compose
- Unsure how to proceed with the songs as they were purely written for Michael.
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Even if it's just "writer's demos", I'm still dying to hear anything from the post-trial era.
 
dam2040 said:

Ne-Yo talks about working with Michael.

- Started roughly towards the end of 2008
- Met in Lyor Cohen's house in New York
- Ne-Yo was writing for Michael, he says they were going to record after This is It tour had finished
- No MJ vocals but he did help write/compose
- Unsure how to proceed with the songs as they were purely written for Michael.
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I appreciate his candor here. I’d love to hear them.
 
Fuzball said:
Would be cool, if we would have access to the songs multitracks. Perhaps everything from Tomboy (including MJ vocals) is present there. @nick2341: do you have access to the multitracks of "Stop That" (Zapp) by chance??


CapEO sound pattern is present in the Zapp song.
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Never knew the song until about 10 minutes ago haha.
 
dethorro said:
You have a point, however, he did abbreviate “Messin’ Round” as well on that list. What is perhaps most interesting is that underneath “Teddy do overdubs” is written “get lyrics from writer”.

What writer? If it is Ghosts we are talking about, Michael wrote it with Teddy. Was Ghost Of Another Lover written by an outside writer?
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I think “Messin’ ‘Round” goes by multiple different titles. There’s a version titled “Don’t Be Messin’” as well.

I think it’s possible MJ was gonna outsource the lyrics for “Ghosts” to another writer. Remember, in ‘91 the only vocal was a scratch one without lyrics.
 
dam2040 said:

Ne-Yo talks about working with Michael.

- Started roughly towards the end of 2008
- Met in Lyor Cohen's house in New York
- Ne-Yo was writing for Michael, he says they were going to record after This is It tour had finished
- No MJ vocals but he did help write/compose
- Unsure how to proceed with the songs as they were purely written for Michael.
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This was really cool, thanks. I love a lot of Ne-Yo's music and I think they would've worked so well together. Such a shame Mike didn't have enough time to record something from/with him...
 
Was MJ working on The Way You Love Me again before he died? I remember discussion about Neff-U being given it but am not sure if that was true or not.
 
SmoothGangsta said:
Was MJ working on The Way You Love Me again before he died? I remember discussion about Neff-U being given it but am not sure if that was true or not.
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I think Neff U said in the making Michael documentary album that MJ gave him that song as a "gift"

If I remember rightly I think Way You Love Me, Beautiful Girl and Cheater were on his list of songs from 2009 too
 
foralltimerishi said:
BRAD BUXER and MJ titles,
Things to notice:
Copyrighted in 2010, may be in complete condition...

I recently interview
Brad said his favourite songs includes Days in Gloucestershire, Adore You...
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So if 'Beautiful Girl', 'In The Back', 'Days In Gloucestershire' are among his favourites because they are 'killer' songs can this mean there are finished versions of those? Because what is 'killer' about 'ITB' and 'DIG' in the state that we know them (mumbling)?
 
Victorious said:
So if 'Beautiful Girl', 'In The Back', 'Days In Gloucestershire' are among his favourites because they are 'killer' songs can this mean there are finished versions of those? Because what is 'killer' about 'ITB' and 'DIG' in the state that we know them (mumbling)?
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I think he's just saying they're some his favourite songs. They weren't worked on any further.
 
Gotta say I really don’t see it in Gloucestershire. MJ butchers the pronunciation & it’s just incredibly weak.
 
AdeZ said:
I want to believe that Family Thing eventually morphed into Is It Scary given the chords sound similar and the BPM of both are almost the same
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Do u have info about song don't make me stay
 
AdeZ said:
I want to believe that Family Thing eventually morphed into Is It Scary given the chords sound similar and the BPM of both are almost the same
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Matt Forger believes later versions of "Ghosts" and "Is It Scary" may have evolved from ideas created during the 1993 sessions. While musically distinct, the gothic/horror element is certainly the common thread linking them all.
 
Victorious said:
So if 'Beautiful Girl', 'In The Back', 'Days In Gloucestershire' are among his favourites because they are 'killer' songs can this mean there are finished versions of those? Because what is 'killer' about 'ITB' and 'DIG' in the state that we know them (mumbling)?
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No. There are later versions with updated music and production, but the vocals we’ve heard are all that exist by all accounts.

A song doesn’t need to be completely finished to be enjoyable. With that mentality, “Billie Jean” might’ve never been made because the demo was half-baked and full of mumbling. You can tell the foundations are strong regardless of the vocals.
 
AlwaysThere said:
No. There are later versions with updated music and production, but the vocals we’ve heard are all that exist by all accounts.

A song doesn’t need to be completely finished to be enjoyable. With that mentality, “Billie Jean” might’ve never been made because the demo was half-baked and full of mumbling. You can tell the foundations are strong regardless of the vocals.
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You are right; maybe he means 'killer melodies' or 'killer grooves' BUT he calls them 'killer songs'; his 'favourite songs'.
And in the state we know them I can only imagine 'Beautiful Girl' to be a favourite 'song' (which also doesn't sound totally finalized).

To me (personally) 'In The Back' not only isn't a song; it's an early demo and there is also nothing 'killer' about it. So that's why maybe he finalized/continued working the demo and we didn' hear it yet
 
Victorious said:
You are right; maybe he means 'killer melodies' or 'killer grooves' BUT he calls them 'killer songs'; his 'favourite songs'.
And in the state we know them I can only imagine 'Beautiful Girl' to be a favourite 'song' (which also doesn't sound totally finalized).

To me (personally) 'In The Back' not only isn't a song; it's an early demo and there is also nothing 'killer' about it. So that's why maybe he finalized/continued working the demo and we didn' hear it yet
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No offense but that's a fan mentality. These men create music; they view all of it as beautiful and as good as finished.
 
AlwaysThere said:
No. There are later versions with updated music and production, but the vocals we’ve heard are all that exist by all accounts.

A song doesn’t need to be completely finished to be enjoyable. With that mentality, “Billie Jean” might’ve never been made because the demo was half-baked and full of mumbling. You can tell the foundations are strong regardless of the vocals.
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Yeah, MJ worked on Beautiful Girl more at some point, but not vocally as far as we know.
 
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