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The Discussion of MJ's Unreleased Tracks

filmandmusic said:
You just know how good the classical music would be. Michael had an ear for epic, sweeping and emotional music, the music for childhood is enough proof of that. We are being robbed of a unique and great piece of music no doubt. It would be the final proof needed for those who say he is only a pop singer.
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I don't know if you have heard the multitracks for Earth Song - as we know, that song is gargantuan, but when I heard the multitracks, I was speechless.

I would have loved to hear him create filmscores as well. He was a walking jukebox, really.
 
From my notes. David Michael Frank speaking about the classical album...

"I laid the music all out on my computer and started on the orchestrations. My guess is that each piece would be seven to ten minutes long. Each one is more substantial than a song. It’s very pretty music. One piece had an Irish quality about it. I suggested that we could use a Celtic harp. The pieces sound like pretty film score music, with very traditional harmony, and definitely very strong melodies. One of them was a little John Barry-ish, like in Out of Africa — that kind of John Barry score. Sweeping strings and French horns in unison."

"I told Michael I was going to use one of Leonard Bernstein’s batons I had bought at auction when we did the recording. I knew he would have gotten a big kick out of that. I guess I still will use that baton if I ever get to conduct the music."
 
It's just nice to speculate things are happening off screen. It makes sense for them to be doing something with all that resource.
 
AlwaysThere said:
^^ According to Damien, one of those pieces (he never specified which) is titled “Lady of Summer.”
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I always thought that David Michael Frank was talking about the song "Iowa" lol. MJ had amazing memory when it came to his music, I wonder if he worked on that song again near that time or at least thought about it while he was putting together his classical album.

It amazes me how MJ was working on classical music as far back as his OTW days. Hopefully we'll get to hear them all someday.
 
His classical music is one of those things I can see passing us by, as alec said I can totally see the estate not bothering and the opportunity to pass. Sad to think about but I do think it's likely.

Obviously they could have gotten back to him since and I hope they have.
 
Does anyone have a photo of all the items that were taken by Jeffre Philips from MJ's house? If I'm not mistaken one of the CD's had the name "Orchestral Holiday Songs" written on it, there could be more orchestral songs recorded other than Lady Of Summer and that one David Frank piece.
 
ChanceToDance said:
Does anyone have a photo of all the items that were taken by Jeffre Philips from MJ's house? If I'm not mistaken one of the CD's had the name "Orchestral Holiday Songs" written on it, there could be more orchestral songs recorded other than Lady Of Summer and that one David Frank piece.
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Mister_Jay_Tee said:
Imagine they're saving it for the Biopic??
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I already call it a giant missed opportunity.

I’m surprised at the positive comments for the classical music. Former posts about it got a mostly cold response from the fanbase here. So in a way it is our own fault that the Estate isn’t willing to throw millions at this project.
 
Alec said:
This doesn't sound much like the actual song. The real Water doesn't recycle the Stranger In Moscow beat like I Was The Loser. The music is all totally unique, full of surprising samples like creaking wood and splashing water. Very, very cool instrumental and something no other producer but MJ would come up with. They could easily sell this one to another artist to release as "produced by Michael Jackson" and "featuring MJ" (on the chorus). It's a shame the estate don't value Michael as a musician. With all the 2006-2009 instrumentals he made, he could have had a whole posthumous career as a producer for other artists.
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I’m curious, how well does Water (as well as those other instrumentals made near the time of his death) hold up to today’s music in terms of production? Does it sound like the kind of music that’s being made today or is it a product of its time?
 
So did MJ get someone to work on TYLA before he passed or was it only the estate who decided to return to it? I know Neff U made a mix over the already mixed track after he passed but I can't remember if it was on MJ's radar or not.
 
ChanceToDance said:
I always thought that David Michael Frank was talking about the song "Iowa" lol. MJ had amazing memory when it came to his music, I wonder if he worked on that song again near that time or at least thought about it while he was putting together his classical album.

It amazes me how MJ was working on classical music as far back as his OTW days. Hopefully we'll get to hear them all someday.
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He knew what he had recorded but not always known when but i put that down to the amount of takes he did for so many of his songs. For example I just Cant stop Loving You may have been started in 1977 or something and re worked later and then later etc. So it is understandable
 
SmoothGangsta said:
So did MJ get someone to work on TYLA before he passed or was it only the estate who decided to return to it? I know Neff U made a mix over the already mixed track after he passed but I can't remember if it was on MJ's radar or not.
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I don't know if he got somebody to work on it or not, but it was on Mike's radar before he died. It was written in green pen under a load of song titles that were printed over two sheets of paper, that was found on his wall at home

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SmoothGangsta said:
So did MJ get someone to work on TYLA before he passed or was it only the estate who decided to return to it? I know Neff U made a mix over the already mixed track after he passed but I can't remember if it was on MJ's radar or not.
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Neff-U mixed it in 2008, didn't he. Then some more in 2010.
 
SmoothCriminal1995 said:
I don't know if he got somebody to work on it or not, but it was on Mike's radar before he died. It was written in green pen under a load of song titles that were printed over two sheets of paper, that was found on his wall at home

This one
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Ah yeah, now that I'm seeing that list again I remember, thanks for posting it.
 
SmoothGangsta said:
Yeah I think that's possible. I had it in my head that he worked on it before MJ died but wasn't sure if I was mixing it up with something else or not.
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Most of the songs from Michael & Xscape had been teed up in 08. Then the work just kinda.. continued or went in a different direction.
 
Mister_Jay_Tee said:
@AlwaysThere I found my source.

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Now keep in mind, this was simply what it states. Might not be accurate; Korgnex debunks, so consider that useful if you want.


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Posted online on a Forum by a user :

I've been fortunate enough to hear a number of unreleased Michael Jackson songs through a number of contacts, a few of which are recording engineers who worked on a few of Michael's later releases. (The Ultimate Collection, Michael, etc.) A long time ago my contacts instructed me not to talk about every single song I've heard (they named a few specific ones they would like me to keep to myself), but some didn't matter. I've been asked to share information on the songs I've heard with you. Again, I am not going to talk about EVERY single song I've ever heard; just the ones that I think the fan community think about the most.

PLEASE NOTE that I DO NOT have any snippets/full songs in my possession. I used to be a large collector of unreleased material before everything I had leaked to the public. (I had Stay, Soldier Boy, All I Need, Burn Tonight and snippets of all the Cascio demos, as well as Slave to the Rhythm, Do You Know Where Your Children Are and snippets of the Hollywood Tonight demo.) Also, please do not ask me for any e-mail or ooVoo account names of my contacts; out of respect, loyalty and their own privacy, they've instructed me not to give out any names, and I don't plan to. If I come into contact with any other unreleased song I'll be the first to update this thread.

ALSO, there are apparently multiple versions of each song that I've heard. (There are apparently two different demo versions of Ready 2 Win and All Right.) If any song that I list below leaks, it may not be 100% accurate. As is the case with multiple mixes of normally released songs and multiple takes of demos, an alternative version may be the leak.

HOLLYWOOD TONIGHT (DEMO) - This incarnation is both better than the album version and worse. My only complaint is that I prefer the instrumentation in the album version -- much stronger, more of a club banger. Overall though, this demo blows me away. Michael sings in high falsetto during the song's bridges that were never fully recorded, right before jumping into some beatboxing parts that aren't heard in the album version/are buried in the mix. He talks to Brad Buxer -- or whatever engineer may be in the studio with him. The Throwback Mix is the closest the general public will get to the demo if it doesn't leak, both musically and vocally. (Birchey's mix is also a contender.)

I AM A LOSER - Beautiful, beautiful song. This version was recorded back in 1999 and was on a very early incarnation of the Invincible album that was originally headed by Babyface and Teddy Riley (a few months before Rodney Jerkins signed on). Michael's depressed because of his girlfriend, who left him for someone else. Lyrically similar to I'm So Blue in some respects. Built on a piano, strings, bass and a drum beat reminiscent of Stranger in Moscow.

UNKNOWN BRAD BUXER TRACK - I don't know the title of this song, but from what I've heard, I'm guessing that it is the long-time speculated Bottom of My Heart. I've only heard about 25-30 seconds of it, though. It is similar to Heal the World and Cry in terms of music; a smooth drum track that is slightly buried under the strings, pianos and guitars. Lyrically, it leans towards What More Can I Give and We Are the World. It's a down-tempo ballad about a tragedy. (If my memory serves me correctly, it was aimed towards a Hurricane Katrina disaster in 2006.) Michael even borrows a few ad-libs from What More Can I Give in the song ("Oh, my God! Oh, my God!" and "Teaching, I'm preaching my brother!"). The version I heard was taken from the ending of the song, where I assume a choir would have been inserted; however, since it's an unfinished song, it's just multi-layered vocals of Michael. "Sending love from the bottom of my heart."

UNKNOWN NEFF-U TRACK - "To have and to hold/ To love and to let go..." This is one of the more beautiful tracks Michael's made in his later years. Again, I've only heard about 25 seconds of this track, but it nearly brought a tear to my eye when I heard it. I don't know the title of this song, but according to my contact it was recorded in late 2008 with Neff-U. It's built on a piano and strings (similar to All I Need) with drums, bass and guitar coming in later. It sounds like an anti-war track, with Michael singing about parents having to let their children go off to war; I don't know if this is the base of the entire track though. It's mostly in falsetto.

UNKNOWN REDONE TRACK - This 30-second snippet of a RedOne song was played to me over a phone conversation, so I couldn't really make out everything that Michael was saying. Sounded something like, "...wasting your time with a man... let's get on the floor, babe!" He talks to RedOne, referring to him by his actual name (Nadir), saying "Nadir, turn this up a bit... little more... alright!" Michael even busts out a "hee! hee! hee!" which he hasn't done since Privacy back in 2001. I really missed hearing him do that. Musically sounds like a mix of Pokerface by Lady Gaga and the rhythm of Speed Demon.

UNKNOWN WILL.I.AM TRACK - This 20-second snippet was taken from one of the unfinished songs. (I believe it was Can You.) It's a mid-tempo track about falling in love with someone and wanting to live your life with them. He scats through part of it (pretty much the same type of scatting he does on In the Back), but the only true lyric I heard him sing was, "No matter how I try, with everything I find it's you, you on my mind all the time." Very catchy melody, soulful harmonies. Sounds like a mixture of Butterflies and a Stevie Wonder song. Built upon piano, synths and something that sounds like a synthesized flute -- interesting choice.
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Fake af, I Am A Loser was written and recorded in 2003 at Neverland, written about Brad Buxer going through hard times with his life.
 
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