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The Discussion of MJ's Unreleased Tracks

I think an album containing Bryan Loren's unreleased material would be superb, it's a beautiful dream.
Don't Believe It, Man in Black, Seven Digits, are titles for example from the very early 1990s, Very Michael finally.
I find myself more in certain productions of Bryan Loren than of Teddy Riley, this is just my personal opinion. The choice of instruments and the notes have an effect on me.
 
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Inoplaast said:
I think an album containing Bryan Loren's unreleased material would be superb, it's a beautiful dream.
Don't Believe It, Man in Black, Seven Digits, are titles for example from the very early 1990s, Very Michael finally.
I find myself more in certain productions of Bryan Loren than of Teddy Riley, this is just my personal opinion. The choice of instruments and the notes have an effect on me.
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Who owns a copy of Seven Digits? Any leakers? The guy who does the seminars? Aside from the estate ofc
 
SmoothCriminal1995 said:
Yep I love the vibe of it to be honest mate, it reminds me of Don't Be Messin' Round a little bit
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Yeah I love the demo of Deep In The Night! I really wonder how the lead vocals would (have) sounded though; maybe something like 'Liberian Girl'? Hard to imagine lead vocals on that beat tbh

Same with 'Don't Be Messin' Round'; it's a bit bossanova but also reminds me of Leave Me Alone, Streetwalker and Wanna Be Startin' Somethin'. I wonder if it was supposed to be more of a hard hitting track like 'The Way You Make Me Feel' or 'Streetwalker'.. Will we ever know?
 
On a different note: Do you guys think Mick Jagger did more music with Michael than 'State of Shock'? The story goes that Jagger became obsessed with MJ after Thriller's succes..
 
So here are the Bryan Loren sounds we'd like to hear :

Men In Black (Full Demo with lead voice)
Seven Digits (2:56)
Don't Believe It (5:46)
Truth About You (5:02) (LL Cool J performs what Michael should have sung. LL Cool J wrote the lyrics and Michael worked on the track)
All The Truth (5:02) (Bryan sings and Michael does backing vocals)
Call it off
Serious Moonlight (4:42) (Only voice of Bryan, Michael didn't want to sing on it)
Deep in the night (Full Vocal) maybe doesn't exist
Garbage
Homeless Bound
Bubbles
Verdict
House Groove (Instrumental Track not accepted by Michael)
She Got It (7:20 version)
Work That Body (7:04 version)
Son of Thriller (3:06) It's a remix, but... i want hear :D

I’m certainly forgetting some !

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So here are the Bryan Loren sounds we'd like to hear :

- Man In Black (6:35)
- Seven Digits (2:56)
- Don't Believe It (5:46)
- Truth About You (5:02) (LL Cool J performs what Michael should have sung. LL Cool J wrote the lyrics and Michael worked on the track)
- All The Truth (5:02) (Bryan sings and Michael does backing vocals)
- Serious Moonlight (4:42) (Only voice of Bryan, Michael didn't want to sing on it)
- Deep In The Night (Full Vocal) maybe doesn't exist
- House Groove (Instrumental Track not accepted by Michael)
- She Got It (7:20 version)
- Work That Body (7:04 version)
- Call It Off
- Garbage
- Homeless Bound
- Bubbles
- It
- The Choice
- Fever
- Stay
- Pressure
- The Verdict
- Son of Thriller (3:06) It's a remix, but... i want hear :D

I’m certainly forgetting some !
 
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Hollywood_Tonight said:
I do, it’s a nice track. I think the best Bryan Loren tracks tend to have a more scarce/simplistic production (Don’t Believe It, She Got It, Superfly, Family Thing, DITN), which allows the vocal to shine.

I agree with most that the Bryan Loren tracks are some of the weakest in the catalog, but most of these tracks have strong vocals and there are enjoyable moments in almost all of them.
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That’s an interesting point. I feel like MJ’s vocals were much stronger in those early Dangerous sessions than the later Dangerous Sessions.
 
I feel like Dangerous 25 didn't happen just because it would force engagement with Bryan Loren and they'd rather do anything than that.
 
Mister_Jay_Tee said:
I feel like Dangerous 25 didn't happen just because it would force engagement with Bryan Loren and they'd rather do anything than that.
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The real reason was Loren asking too much money for his tracks to be used and being a prick to work with, causing the estate to cut ties with him saying that his tracks will NEVER be released.
 
Beano Wild said:
The real reason was Loren asking too much money for his tracks to be used and being a prick to work with, causing the estate to cut ties with him saying that his tracks will NEVER be released.
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Imagine asking for too much money when all you've made is mid.

Besides, every vocally-complete song he's ever done with MJ is out there. What new tracks would Dangerous 25 include, anyway? The rumored vocal version of Men In Black? If that's the only new thing we could've gotten, then I guess nothing of value was lost after all.
 
Beano Wild said:
The real reason was Loren asking too much money for his tracks to be used and being a prick to work with, causing the estate to cut ties with him saying that his tracks will NEVER be released.
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Ehh. When he dies finally I'm sure that'll be a good time to scoop em Up.
 
I don’t understand how people are justifying producers and writers etc not getting well paid for their work when distributed to potentially billions of people, regardless the “output quality”. We know the estate want to make the biggest profit for the least possible cost. It’s sad how that’s made us miss out on some proper complete releases. The estate can well afford it and still “reap” a huge profit compared to everyone else…

If we were Loren/Temperton/Quincy we’d probably behave as they do.
The industry is just unethical.
 
Sensual visionary said:
I don’t understand how people are justifying producers and writers etc not getting well paid for their work when distributed to potentially billions of people, regardless the “output quality”. We know the estate want to make the biggest profit for the least possible cost. It’s sad how that’s made us miss out on some proper complete releases. The estate can well afford it and still “reap” a huge profit compared to everyone else…

If we were Loren/Temperton/Quincy we’d probably behave as they do.
The industry is just unethical.
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Loren was exceptionally out of line even for an embittered song writer.
 
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