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The Discussion of MJ's Unreleased Tracks

Thinking of how crazy it is that the album that became "Dangerous" could have served as a 'true' successor to "Bad" with songs entirely developed in the mid 80s with the "B team" at Hayvenhurst. TMO, MoB, TDCAU, DYKWYCA, BB were all revisited at some point.


Derek1984 said:
I've seen "For God's Sake" tied to title of Make or Break. I wonder if that's another lyric to the song?
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Where have you seen that?
 
Gluepix said:
It’s just a ridiculous thing to believe, man. Are you seriously telling me that MJ only left 16 releasable outtakes in over the 40 years of his life that were spent on continuously making music?
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According to the guys in the studio, apparently. That just means everything he didn't sing top to bottom is like half cooked inedible food.
 
Fuzball said:
Thinking of how crazy it is that the album that became "Dangerous" could have served as a 'true' successor to "Bad" with songs entirely developed in the mid 80s with the "B team" at Hayvenhurst. TMO, MoB, TDCAU, DYKWYCA, BB were all revisited at some point.
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And Tabloid Junkie and Someone Put Your Hand Out both were Post Bad Outtakes from like 1989.

Really, it's just the fact that New Jack Swing was well in vogue by the time 1991 came along. MJs early efforts in the genre certainly don't resemble what came later.
 
I think it’s important to take each collaborator’s word with something of a grain of salt. MJ compartmentalized his collaborators in many situations, so they won’t have total knowledge of the vault unless the estate gave it to them (which by all accounts they don’t). It’s like when Bruce Swedien said there were only one or two outtakes from each album, which is not even close to true.

Not to say their input isn’t valuable, but the only people who can give a definitive comment on the state of the vault is the estate. Barring them, we really have no idea.
 
Gluepix said:
It’s just a ridiculous thing to believe, man. Are you seriously telling me that MJ only left 16 releasable outtakes in over the 40 years of his life that were spent on continuously making music?
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I don't think they're counting Motown, early Epic and The Jacksons material, just Michaels solo music.

Michael admitted he'll leave songs incomplete if he comes up with another song idea.
 
AlwaysThere said:
I think it’s important to take each collaborator’s word with something of a grain of salt. MJ compartmentalized his collaborators in many situations, so they won’t have total knowledge of the vault unless the estate gave it to them (which by all accounts they don’t). It’s like when Bruce Swedien said there were only one or two outtakes from each album, which is not even close to true.

Not to say their input isn’t valuable, but the only people who can give a definitive comment on the state of the vault is the estate. Barring them, we really have no idea.
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In a sense, Bruce was correct about the outtakes since the rest of the songs were discarded during pre-production. Everything else were just demos
 
BlackAnon said:
In a sense, Bruce was correct about the outtakes since the rest of the songs were discarded during pre-production. Everything else were just demos
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I can see this applying to Off the Wall and Bad, but the whole pre-production process went out the window once MJ and Quincy parted ways. Songs were being considered up until the eleventh hour, and there were countless passed over for Dangerous and Invincible. Even Thriller has at least a half-dozen finished songs from Westlake!

I think it’s the simple fact that Bruce, like every other engineer MJ worked with, wasn’t always there and as such can’t give a fully accurate comment on what MJ left behind.
 
AlwaysThere said:
I think it’s the simple fact that Bruce, like every other engineer MJ worked with, wasn’t always there and as such can’t give a fully accurate comment on what MJ left behind.
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It's also a case of one's interpretation for what constitutes as a complete song.

Bruce had a lot of tapes which contained many outtakes, he just didn't consider them to be another Billie Jean.
 
JohnC said:
It's also a case of one's interpretation for what constitutes as a complete song.

Bruce had a lot of tapes which contained many outtakes, he just didn't consider them to be another Billie Jean.
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Do you have any idea of what material he was in possession of? I know he had Starlight master tape but I’d be curious to know if he had a lot of unheard music specifically from 78-82
 
AlwaysThere said:
Agreed—outstanding song.

I feel like the pre-Darkchild sessions had a much more soulful, urban R&V sound. You had songs like “Blue Gangsta” and “Hollywood Tonight” meshed with “Beautiful Girl” and “The Way You Love Me.” I would love to see if MJ had a preferred list of songs from that period, or even a rough 1999 track list draft.
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Exactly mate
 
So, apparently the producer of the 2008 revised version of I Have This Dream is the same dude who produced the tribute version that was later confirmed by Damien to be very similar to the MJ's version
That explain a lot, i guess so

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Bad1978 said:
What version's are these? The 5.19 one and the Xscape demo version?
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The 2004 mix was the version considered for The Ultimate Collection. Only small changes were made to the song so it shouldn't be different from the version we already have.

The 2008 mix is the version that was put on Xscape.
"Minor edits were made by Neff-U in 2008, at Jackson’s home studio in Vegas. And coincidentally, the song’s original producer, Dr. Freeze, also visited Jackson at his home studio that year.

The original version of “A Place With No Name” included on Xscape is what Jackson heard during those 2008 collaborative sessions with producer Neff-U and recording engineer Michael Prince.


“Compared with the 2004 version, you can hear the drums are different in the final version,” observes Prince.


“It has a different kick drum pattern, a little stronger snare, and the ‘na nas’ are copied to repeat through the fade.”
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All in all the song didn't change all that much after Invincible.
 
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If Mike recorded this in full I wouldnt mind hearing it, but if I was him I would have given up at any children references post 93. Just me thinking out loud.
 
The ‘world peace anthem’ type songs mj wrote just seemed to get worse over time imo

Can you feel it - excellent
We are the World
Heal the World
What more can I give
People of the World
I Have this Dream - awful

I know he wrote others but just an example
 
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