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The Discussion of MJ's Unreleased Tracks

BlackAnon said:
Speaking of Raisins, here's a quick storyboard

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The aliens are really gonna be confused by this one
 
My girlfriend has a newborn niece and I am determined to introduce her to Michael Jackson (when she’s old enough to understand) by showing her Thriller, the claymation segment of “Speed Demon,” and nothing else. I want to paint the picture that MJ dropped the best selling album of all time, became a rabbit, then dipped, and I won’t explain why.
 
AlwaysThere said:
My girlfriend has a newborn niece and I am determined to introduce her to Michael Jackson (when she’s old enough to understand) by showing her Thriller, the claymation segment of “Speed Demon,” and nothing else. I want to paint the picture that MJ dropped the best selling album of all time, became a rabbit, then dipped, and I won’t explain why.
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This is exactly how I understood Michael Jackson for the first decade of my life actually. This will work. Add Unbreakable in the mix as well, that piano riff will haunt them for life as well.
 
AlwaysThere said:
My girlfriend has a newborn niece and I am determined to introduce her to Michael Jackson (when she’s old enough to understand) by showing her Thriller, the claymation segment of “Speed Demon,” and nothing else. I want to paint the picture that MJ dropped the best selling album of all time, became a rabbit, then dipped, and I won’t explain why.
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and when she asks where he went, say "he went THATAWAY!"
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SmoothCriminal1995 said:
I listened to On The Line this morning and I forgot how much I love that song. I wish Mike had done more soulful tracks like this in his later career because his older voice really suited that kind of gospel style vibe.

I wonder if that's where the 1998-99 sessions were heading before the album changed direction?
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Agreed—outstanding song.

I feel like the pre-Darkchild sessions had a much more soulful, urban R&V sound. You had songs like “Blue Gangsta” and “Hollywood Tonight” meshed with “Beautiful Girl” and “The Way You Love Me.” I would love to see if MJ had a preferred list of songs from that period, or even a rough 1999 track list draft.
 
SmoothCriminal1995 said:
I listened to On The Line this morning and I forgot how much I love that song. I wish Mike had done more soulful tracks like this in his later career because his older voice really suited that kind of gospel style vibe.

I wonder if that's where the 1998-99 sessions were heading before the album changed direction?
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A lot of the songs MJ wrote in his later years had this genre leaning. I think it's fair to say his songwriting had changed; Bad did urgent 80s synth pop, Dangerous went for New Jack Swing on one side and then pretty eclectic stuff on the latter half. HIStory has the unifying theme of rallying anti-media/social consciousness, and Blood was all Gothic Pop. That leaves everything in the 2000s to open up to the more straight forward, refreshing emotionally open stuff again, and the more mature, life experience stuff. I might be rambling a bit but I do love a lot of these songs, stuff like The Loser and Days in Glochesteshire. Meshed very well with stuff like Best of Joy. And then him reaching back for compatible songs from every era was a great touch as well.
 
AlwaysThere said:
My girlfriend has a newborn niece and I am determined to introduce her to Michael Jackson (when she’s old enough to understand) by showing her Thriller, the claymation segment of “Speed Demon,” and nothing else. I want to paint the picture that MJ dropped the best selling album of all time, became a rabbit, then dipped, and I won’t explain why.
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Oh, my daughter saw Moonwalker when she was 4 (she's almost 6 now) and she still asks to watch the play-doh rabbit 🤣
 
ChanceToDance said:
It's from a Reddit AMA made by an Assistant Audio Engineer who worked on HIStory.
https://www.reddit.com/r/MichaelJackson/comments/bhi3u6/_/elt99gn
"Yes actually. I didn't hear many tracks that were cut, but two stuck out to me. Basszouille, which had circus vibes in an orchestral type way. It sounds a lot like Little Susie because the texture of instruments is the same. Another was a cover of Tom Jone's Delilah, but funky with a swingbeat."
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I believe that Delilah exists. The theme from the Bible is a topic that Michael has worked on a lot in his songs and he has also spoken about it in the The Michael Jackson Tapes:
MJ: It is hard because the women today can do a good job of faking it. I mean a real good job. They are smooth. Look in the Bible. Women have taken the most powerful men down to nothing because of what is between their legs. Samson, nobody could cut his hair, and he had sex with Delilah.
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ChanceToDance said:
Kind of new info on Make Or Break? Bill says he can't recall the verses having lyrics on them. The song is probably on a similar level of completion as songs like Family Thing/In The Back/Rocker by the looks of it.
https://twitter.com/x/status/1877912141816058153

Bill also implied he's currently still writing his book on another tweet.
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I've seen "For God's Sake" tied to title of Make or Break. I wonder if that's another lyric to the song?
 
ChanceToDance said:
Kind of new info on Make Or Break? Bill says he can't recall the verses having lyrics on them. The song is probably on a similar level of completion as songs like Family Thing/In The Back/Rocker by the looks of it.
https://twitter.com/x/status/1877912141816058153

Bill also implied he's currently still writing his book on another tweet.
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I believe Joe Vogel said this one had full vocals. Maybe it was worked on after/without Bill?
 
ChanceToDance said:
Kind of new info on Make Or Break? Bill says he can't recall the verses having lyrics on them. The song is probably on a similar level of completion as songs like Family Thing/In The Back/Rocker by the looks of it.
https://twitter.com/x/status/1877912141816058153

Bill also implied he's currently still writing his book on another tweet.
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AlwaysThere said:
I believe Joe Vogel said this one had full vocals. Maybe it was worked on after/without Bill?
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Bill and John both confirmed the song was incomplete but Bill says verse lyrics aren't sung so it's safe to assume the verses are just mumbles

Joe said full vocals but not full lyrics.

It's like DIG. The verses are full with a complete chorus but there's no actual lyrics for the verses
 
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Thinking of how crazy it is that the album that became "Dangerous" could have served as a 'true' successor to "Bad" with songs entirely developed in the mid 80s with the "B team" at Hayvenhurst. TMO, MoB, TDCAU, DYKWYCA, BB were all revisited at some point.


Derek1984 said:
I've seen "For God's Sake" tied to title of Make or Break. I wonder if that's another lyric to the song?
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Where have you seen that?
 
Gluepix said:
It’s just a ridiculous thing to believe, man. Are you seriously telling me that MJ only left 16 releasable outtakes in over the 40 years of his life that were spent on continuously making music?
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According to the guys in the studio, apparently. That just means everything he didn't sing top to bottom is like half cooked inedible food.
 
Fuzball said:
Thinking of how crazy it is that the album that became "Dangerous" could have served as a 'true' successor to "Bad" with songs entirely developed in the mid 80s with the "B team" at Hayvenhurst. TMO, MoB, TDCAU, DYKWYCA, BB were all revisited at some point.
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And Tabloid Junkie and Someone Put Your Hand Out both were Post Bad Outtakes from like 1989.

Really, it's just the fact that New Jack Swing was well in vogue by the time 1991 came along. MJs early efforts in the genre certainly don't resemble what came later.
 
I think it’s important to take each collaborator’s word with something of a grain of salt. MJ compartmentalized his collaborators in many situations, so they won’t have total knowledge of the vault unless the estate gave it to them (which by all accounts they don’t). It’s like when Bruce Swedien said there were only one or two outtakes from each album, which is not even close to true.

Not to say their input isn’t valuable, but the only people who can give a definitive comment on the state of the vault is the estate. Barring them, we really have no idea.
 
Gluepix said:
It’s just a ridiculous thing to believe, man. Are you seriously telling me that MJ only left 16 releasable outtakes in over the 40 years of his life that were spent on continuously making music?
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I don't think they're counting Motown, early Epic and The Jacksons material, just Michaels solo music.

Michael admitted he'll leave songs incomplete if he comes up with another song idea.
 
AlwaysThere said:
I think it’s important to take each collaborator’s word with something of a grain of salt. MJ compartmentalized his collaborators in many situations, so they won’t have total knowledge of the vault unless the estate gave it to them (which by all accounts they don’t). It’s like when Bruce Swedien said there were only one or two outtakes from each album, which is not even close to true.

Not to say their input isn’t valuable, but the only people who can give a definitive comment on the state of the vault is the estate. Barring them, we really have no idea.
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In a sense, Bruce was correct about the outtakes since the rest of the songs were discarded during pre-production. Everything else were just demos
 
BlackAnon said:
In a sense, Bruce was correct about the outtakes since the rest of the songs were discarded during pre-production. Everything else were just demos
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I can see this applying to Off the Wall and Bad, but the whole pre-production process went out the window once MJ and Quincy parted ways. Songs were being considered up until the eleventh hour, and there were countless passed over for Dangerous and Invincible. Even Thriller has at least a half-dozen finished songs from Westlake!

I think it’s the simple fact that Bruce, like every other engineer MJ worked with, wasn’t always there and as such can’t give a fully accurate comment on what MJ left behind.
 
AlwaysThere said:
I think it’s the simple fact that Bruce, like every other engineer MJ worked with, wasn’t always there and as such can’t give a fully accurate comment on what MJ left behind.
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It's also a case of one's interpretation for what constitutes as a complete song.

Bruce had a lot of tapes which contained many outtakes, he just didn't consider them to be another Billie Jean.
 
JohnC said:
It's also a case of one's interpretation for what constitutes as a complete song.

Bruce had a lot of tapes which contained many outtakes, he just didn't consider them to be another Billie Jean.
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Do you have any idea of what material he was in possession of? I know he had Starlight master tape but I’d be curious to know if he had a lot of unheard music specifically from 78-82
 
AlwaysThere said:
Agreed—outstanding song.

I feel like the pre-Darkchild sessions had a much more soulful, urban R&V sound. You had songs like “Blue Gangsta” and “Hollywood Tonight” meshed with “Beautiful Girl” and “The Way You Love Me.” I would love to see if MJ had a preferred list of songs from that period, or even a rough 1999 track list draft.
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Exactly mate
 
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