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The Discussion of MJ's Unreleased Tracks

ueli84 said:
I completely agree with you. As a songwriter, Michael was probably at his peak here and more creative than ever before or since.

What I don't understand is why many fans barely appreciate the Jacksons' albums Destiny and Triumph. Michael was fully involved in their creation, and everyone involved says he was the driving force behind the brothers. As a songwriter, Michael is also directly involved in more songs than he was on Off the Wall and Thriller. In that respect, I dare say that on Destiny and Triumph, you hear a more authentic, raw Michael Jackson, who was already writing and producing great songs. (Instead of on his solo albums)

Of course, it was his conscious decision to take a step forward with Quincy Jones. But if you want to hear how Michael Jackson sounded without a big producer at his side during the late 1970s and early 1980s, you have to focus on Triumph and Destiny.
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Off The Wall is a 4/5 meanwhile Destiny is a 5/5, but y’all are not ready for that conversation :D
 
ueli84 said:
What I don't understand is why many fans barely appreciate the Jacksons' albums Destiny and Triumph.
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Is this the case? I love both albums. But to me, personally, the History/BOTDF - songs are the ones that mean the most to me bcs I grew up with them and the messages are the strongest. Destiny and Triumph didn't influence me like that, so maybe other fans think similar.
 
I wonder if Michael ever completed the music for the movie he was supposed to star in during the 70's
 
Derek1984 said:
Destiny is excellent. Triumph is great. But what they both lack is Bruce's mixing and Quincy's sleek production. Triumph is mixed horribly and even MJ later admitted this.
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I think the original mix is satisfying to my ear. But I can understand.
 
Triumph is probably the best Jacksons album but roughly 1/3 of it is disposable in my opinion. Cut “Your Ways,” “Everybody,” and “Wondering Who” and it’s flawless.
 
I love "Your Ways" and "Everybody" tbh. Can agree for "Wondering Who", worst track of the album with "Walk Right Now"

I'd cut "Give It Up" too, but it's a bit more enjoyable than the other twos for me.
 
Saka21 said:
I love "Your Ways" and "Everybody" tbh. Can agree for "Wondering Who", worst track of the album with "Walk Right Now"

I'd cut "Give It Up" too, but it's a bit more enjoyable than the other twos for me.
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Mister_Jay_Tee said:
I need an eye rolling reaction
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man there’s just not a bad track on this album BUT, Wondering Who, imo, would fall under the weakest
 
BlackAnon said:
He was to star in a movie titled "24 Robbers". He signed on for the project in June of 1976 and in the contract, he agreed to bring his family's services into the production, including providing original music for the soundtrack.
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Interesting. I'd like to know more about this movie. Perhaps some of the unreleased song titles we have were meant for this movie.
 
Derek1984 said:
Interesting. I'd like to know more about this movie. Perhaps some of the unreleased song titles we have were meant for this movie.
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BlackAnon said:
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Nice find. I never knew this before. I wonder why this got shelved? Must be around the same time of the Jacksons Variety show and the move to Epic to record the first album.

Without knowing much about this movie, I immediately wonder if "Goin' To Rio" had anything to do with this since the timing would seem about right.
 
Derek1984 said:
Nice find. I never knew this before. I wonder why this got shelved? Must be around the same time of the Jacksons Variety show and the move to Epic to record the first album.

Without knowing much about this movie, I immediately wonder if "Goin' To Rio" had anything to do with this since the timing would seem about right.
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Could be
 
BlackAnon said:
I wonder if we'll ever get the 30 minute short film version of TWYMMF. Michael used to play pieces of it inside the theater at Neverland along with a non 3D version of EO
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Wait how is it that I'm barely finding out that there's a 30 minute version of TWYMMF? I had no idea there was, what info do we even have of it? Is there footage of it?
 
Derek1984 said:
Destiny is excellent. Triumph is great. But what they both lack is Bruce's mixing and Quincy's sleek production. Triumph is mixed horribly and even MJ later admitted this.
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This Place Hotel sounds like it was screen recorded off of an MP3
 
Themidwestcowboy said:
Off The Wall is a 4/5 meanwhile Destiny is a 5/5, but y’all are not ready for that conversation :D
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While we're on the topic of album ratings, Ive been wondering recently that if Michael had not been snubbed by the Grammy's because they were too scared of another MJ sweep or were racial bias, would Michael's career and life been different?
 
threepea11 said:
While we're on the topic of album ratings, Ive been wondering recently that if Michael had not been snubbed by the Grammy's because they were too scared of another MJ sweep or were racial bias, would Michael's career and life been different?
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Grammys don't mean nothing. But a lotta artists do seem to have a rise and Fall.
 
threepea11 said:
Wait how is it that I'm barely finding out that there's a 30 minute version of TWYMMF? I had no idea there was, what info do we even have of it? Is there footage of it?
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Additional dialogue and dancing from what I was told. The Estate has the footage but it does exist and was confirmed to play at the theater at Neverland
 
threepea11 said:
Wait how is it that I'm barely finding out that there's a 30 minute version of TWYMMF? I had no idea there was, what info do we even have of it? Is there footage of it?
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For decades it was rumoured to be 24 minutes. But I do wonder if someone mixed it up or exaggerated with the 14 minutes version?
 
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