The Discussion of MJ's Unreleased Tracks

So funny, because I totally get that 😅. Sometimes you start a project, you hit a point where you're stuck, you continue with other things and get back to it later... but the fact that there's years between starting and finishing a song is really mind-blowing. After a certain amount of time I, personally, would totally lose interest in working on "old" stuff again.
 
I'll laugh a lot if someone bought this and it turns out that it has UDIO AI version lol
 
crazy, isn't it? BoW (intro), Monkey, TDCAU, Earth Song - all of them were started in 1986.
Source for the other three? Already asked about BOW on Twitter and got my answer but I don't quite remember Bill talking about the other three having started in 1986.
 
Source for the other three? Already asked about BOW on Twitter and got my answer but I don't quite remember Bill talking about the other three having started in 1986.
It's all revealed by Bill in some his numerous tweets. Pretty sure, these haven been posted here in this thread, too.

All of them were basic tracking of ideas; no vocals.
 
I don't always disagree with Kai, but that's a pretty bold assumption.

Check eBay for sold items. It's been listed as sold since yesterday.

It wasn’t meant to be an attack. I haven’t followed all the discussion about the tape and also didn’t check eBay myself. So if I am wrong, I am wrong.
 
Another unknown title that was considered for Invincible. Most likely MJ had never recorded vocals on this.

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This is a Great, Rare, Vintage 1999 "Michael Jackson - What Time Is It?" Original MASTER recording DAT cassette tape. This wonderful Old piece has a Great look, comes in it's Original case, is an Unreleased sonj MJ was working on with Wyclef Jean, is from "The Hit Factory" Archive, an Original, Vintage piece and is Very Rare to Find.

Documentation: This will come with a Letter of Provenance from Danielle Germano, daughter of Hit Factory founder Edward Germano.

 
So funny, because I totally get that 😅. Sometimes you start a project, you hit a point where you're stuck, you continue with other things and get back to it later... but the fact that there's years between starting and finishing a song is really mind-blowing. After a certain amount of time I, personally, would totally lose interest in working on "old" stuff again.

It’s interesting for sure! 😅
I think MJ has famously said to the effect that you can’t force good music. It takes time and it’s important to work on whatever feels important at the time. What speaks the strongest to you. Otherwise it’s mechanical work with less real emotion.

There’s good reason his released music is very authentic and representative of his mindset at each time. But also practical reasons things were released had much to do with team work and how far along producers were at any given time. And whether others on his team were really attuned to his vision…

He seemed to work ”by epiphany”, often calling people in the middle of the night with ideas on his ongoing work…

Being the sole overseer of (over the years) many hundreds of songs and ideas is quite a task, especially for ”OCD” folks like MJ.
And the old ideas had to compete with his ongoing creativity which was at times extremely productive.
I think the song lists found after his death show how structured he knew he had to be to get anything done.

Still, when something just took over his system, like Billie Jean which didn’t need too many embellishments, it could be perfected it in quite a short time.

But imagine ideas of that calibre that weren’t released for years… it makes sense that they would continue to speak strongly
Like releasing little suzy in the 90s

Some of the most heartfelt music grows slowly 😊
 
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It’s interesting for sure! 😅
I think MJ has famously said to the effect that you can’t force good music. It takes time and it’s important to work on whatever feels important at the time. What speaks the strongest to you. Otherwise it’s mechanical work with less real emotion.

There’s good reason his released music is very authentic and representative of his mindset at each time. But also practical reasons things were released had much to do with team work and how far along producers were at any given time. And whether others on his team were really attuned to his vision…

He seemed to work ”by epiphany”, often calling people in the middle of the night with ideas on his ongoing work…

Being the sole overseer of (over the years) many hundreds of songs and ideas is quite a task, especially for OCD folks like MJ.
And the old ideas had to compete with his ongoing creativity which was at times extremely productive.
I think the song lists found after his death show how structured he knew he had to be to get anything done.

Still, when something just took over his system, like Billie Jean which didn’t need too many embellishments, it could be perfected it in quite a short time.

But imagine ideas of that calibre that weren’t released for years… it makes sense that they would continue to speak strongly
Like releasing little suzy in the 90s

Some of the most heartfelt music grows slowly 😊
Yeah, true... I would go crazy knowing I have so much unfinished material, tbh I would probably forget about most things, so I could go on with other projects 😅. Really interesting.
 
You’re right, if you pitch it down by 5, you can hear the beat it intro being overdubbed
Short story: Im a dj as well & caught on to this about 16 years ago. I was just messing around with b.o.w one day & had that part looped & stopped for a min because I was already on cloud 9 for letting it loop so many times & then I slowed it down & was like 🤯..... THATS BEAT IT lol
 
Short story: Im a dj as well & caught on to this about 16 years ago. I was just messing around with b.o.w one day & had that part looped & stopped for a min because I was already on cloud 9 for letting it loop so many times & then I slowed it down & was like 🤯..... THATS BEAT IT lol
This Beat It song sounds really important. I don't remember MJ releasing a song with that name. After Off The Wall he dropped this album Starlight Sun and then he retired full time in Ireland. Is this "Beat It" an outtake from that time?

Also why is gas so expensive here?
 
I still do think that leaked TYLA Neff U Mix file was messed around with. It sounds awful, even the overdubs.
Absolutely, I really doubt the final mix was ever meant to sound that bad, like every instrument's been muffled.

Either it was actually made that way to match the low quality of the vocals, sacrificing the overall mix in the process, or (more likely) it's just a super low-quality file that's been edited and compressed to death.
Honestly, I can't imagine any professional handing in a mix like that lol, even as a low-quality export. No way that version was ever considered for release.
 
I think it's ironic how to 10-15 years ago we worried about the Estate tampering with Michael's vision, now we have traders/fans messing with Michael's art before they leak it.

You don't know who or what to believe
Agreed. I don't believe in tampering with Michael's music. That's just wrong.

The 2010 mix of TYLA which you know has been tampered with and uses heavy compression. I have the full CDQ version, which is not as bad as I initially thought.
 
You guys are being played with. There was no real item to begin with and there's a fake sale for 1.00 € which is a bogus transaction.

I don't want to know what kind of "story" some German scammers are making up this time. At least Fuzball was on to something ...
 
You guys are being played with. There was no real item to begin with and there's a fake sale for 1.00 € which is a bogus transaction.

I don't want to know what kind of "story" some German scammers are making up this time. At least Fuzball was on to something ...
I'll give you a hint: The DAT was picked up from someone outside Germany. Add one and one together and you'll figure it out.

Stop being ignorant — I offered to let you verify the tape beforehand. You never responded to my private message.
 
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