The Discussion of MJ's Unreleased Tracks

[Saka21]

You guys are being played with. There was no real item to begin with and there's a fake sale for 1.00 € which is a bogus transaction.

I don't want to know what kind of "story" some German scammers are making up this time. At least Fuzball was on to something ...

So it really comes from a playback feed, like Fuzball said? Passing it off as a session tape is still misleading, but I'm curious: how did they even get access to a private studio listening session, if that's the case?

 

[Mister_Jay_Tee]

So it really comes from a playback feed, like Fuzball said? Passing it off as a session tape is still misleading, but I'm curious: how did they even get access to a private studio listening session, if that's the case?

Sony leaks?

 

[NeoGardiV12]

michek jaeksonm

 

[Beano Wild]

michek jaeksonm

**** yeah

 

[d49k]

‘86? God, no wonder there aren’t many MJ books dedicated to how his songs came together. The timelines are insane.

Michael Jackson All the Songs: The Story Behind Every Track by François Allard & Richard Lecocq

Michael Jackson All the Songs: The Story Behind Every T…

The complete, definitive study of Michael Jackson's art…

www.goodreads.com

The Story of HIStory by Pez Jax

The Story of HIStory

The Story of HIStory tells the fascinating story of how…

www.goodreads.com

Book On The Dance Floor: Let's Make HIStory In The Mix by Brice Najar

Book On The Dance Floor: Let's Make HIStory In The Mix

In the Spring of 1997, the promotion of the HIStory alb…

www.goodreads.com

Are some books I've read about Michael's creative work, specifically on how the songs were written and produced, lot's of great information in these!

 

[Fuzball]

how did they even get access to a private studio listening session, if that's the case?

There're seminars all over the world, not just the Sundberg ones. I assume everthing's possible if you have contacts that work in one of those local studios.

 

[SmoothGangsta]

Wild the lengths people will go to in order to hear this stuff lol.

 

[Hollywood_Tonight]

Any updates on the seminar recordings of Adore You, Water, and Michael’s Affirmation? I hope those leak soon, or at the very least are in circulation among collectors.

 

[Beano Wild]

Any updates on the seminar recordings of Adore You, Water, and Michael’s Affirmation? I hope those leak soon, or at the very least are in circulation among collectors.

nope. collectors but a stop to that.

 

[JamesCMJJ]

Wild the lengths people will go to in order to hear this stuff lol.

Even when a lot of the vault is instrumentals and if we're lucky enough, maybe even scratch vocals

 

[smoothvillain]

I watched the HIStory 30th anniversary discussion that Brad Sundberg posted to his channel. Really fun listen and they answered some fan questions but it got me thinking, are the people that worked with Michael disappointed that fans care so much about unreleased music instead of learning about and appreciating the published ones?

It's amazing to hear the amount of work that went into the songs that made the albums but as a big fan, I am always hoping to hear and learn about the songs that never were. I think the community greatly appreciates the album tracks but maybe the feeling is they've learned everything there is to know about them already and there's nothing left to be told.

I've seen all sorts of reactions to questions about unreleased material. Some will avoid talking about them and quickly change the subject and others can't wait to tell you about them. Sundberg has stated the best stuff has already been put out, but will share demos without a backstory during his seminars. I've heard Buxer mention titles but opt out of playing anything. Other engineers are willing to tell stories pertaining to outtakes like "Much Too Soon" or "Truth on Youth". Bill Bottrell comes off a little disgusted when asked about the unfinished demos but is always willing to answer questions and I'm grateful for that.

I kind of get it, it's like if we were in their shoes and you knew what they had to go through to get this album finished or the lengths we went to with recording this song instead of focusing on the recording of a song idea. The former is probably far more interesting but I wish they'd understand how important it is to let us appreciate all the material and be properly educated.

God knows they could do a better job than the scatterbrained handlers of the estate.

 

[someplace_else]

I watched the HIStory 30th anniversary discussion that Brad Sundberg posted to his channel. Really fun listen and they answered some fan questions but it got me thinking, are the people that worked with Michael disappointed that fans care so much about unreleased music instead of learning about and appreciating the published ones?

It's amazing to hear the amount of work that went into the songs that made the albums but as a big fan, I am always hoping to hear and learn about the songs that never were. I think the community greatly appreciates the album tracks but maybe the feeling is they've learned everything there is to know about them already and there's nothing left to be told.

I've seen all sorts of reactions to questions about unreleased material. Some will avoid talking about them and quickly change the subject and others can't wait to tell you about them. Sundberg has stated the best stuff has already been put out, but will share demos without a backstory during his seminars. I've heard Buxer mention titles but opt out of playing anything. Other engineers are willing to tell stories pertaining to outtakes like "Much Too Soon" or "Truth on Youth". Bill Bottrell comes off a little disgusted when asked about the unfinished demos but is always willing to answer questions and I'm grateful for that.

I kind of get it, it's like if we were in their shoes and you knew what they had to go through to get this album finished or the lengths we went to with recording this song instead of focusing on the recording of a song idea. The former is probably far more interesting but I wish they'd understand how important it is to let us appreciate all the material and be properly educated.

God knows they could do a better job than the scatterbrained handlers of the estate.

Concerning Brad (Sundberg) - because of course this came up - he said he understands the frustration but also that the best stuff is out there (like you already wrote) and what's in the vault are mostly beats/melodies/ideas.

I think they all understand. It's not like we don't appreciate the old albums.

 

[thiron]

I watched the HIStory 30th anniversary discussion that Brad Sundberg posted to his channel. Really fun listen and they answered some fan questions but it got me thinking, are the people that worked with Michael disappointed that fans care so much about unreleased music instead of learning about and appreciating the published ones?

It's amazing to hear the amount of work that went into the songs that made the albums but as a big fan, I am always hoping to hear and learn about the songs that never were. I think the community greatly appreciates the album tracks but maybe the feeling is they've learned everything there is to know about them already and there's nothing left to be told.

I've seen all sorts of reactions to questions about unreleased material. Some will avoid talking about them and quickly change the subject and others can't wait to tell you about them. Sundberg has stated the best stuff has already been put out, but will share demos without a backstory during his seminars. I've heard Buxer mention titles but opt out of playing anything. Other engineers are willing to tell stories pertaining to outtakes like "Much Too Soon" or "Truth on Youth". Bill Bottrell comes off a little disgusted when asked about the unfinished demos but is always willing to answer questions and I'm grateful for that.

I kind of get it, it's like if we were in their shoes and you knew what they had to go through to get this album finished or the lengths we went to with recording this song instead of focusing on the recording of a song idea. The former is probably far more interesting but I wish they'd understand how important it is to let us appreciate all the material and be properly educated.

God knows they could do a better job than the scatterbrained handlers of the estate.

Its a good podcast I would recommend to everyone interested in hearing stories about recording the albums!

In The Studio - The Podcast | In The Studio With MJ

Behind the scenes studio stories from music you love, told by the people who were there.

itswmjpodcast00.podbean.com

I just listened to the History one you mentioned. Two things might be interesting for the unreleased song crowd in here: At about 1hour in, someone mentions there are about 20 Rene (Moore) songs they worked on. At about 1hr8min it is mentioned there are some Babyface collaborations that are great.
But, as already mentioned, they most likely aren't finished songs but more like demos, grooves, ideas and experiments.

 

[mjfp]

When I asked him about the unreleased material in the vault and whether he wants those unfinished songs or work-in-progress mixes to be published, he hinted and joked at being disappointed that the estate doesn't release more unreleased tracks, demos, and early versions of the songs that were eventually released

 

[thiron]

When I asked him about the unreleased material in the vault and whether he wants those unfinished songs or work-in-progress mixes to be published, he hinted and joked at being disappointed that the estate doesn't release more unreleased tracks, demos, and early versions of the songs that were eventually released

Oh thats interesting Were you there this weekend in Frankfurt? Beause I don't remember Brad speaking about that. Did you ask him im private?

 

[mjfp]

Oh thats interesting Were you there this weekend in Frankfurt? Beause I don't remember Brad speaking about that. Did you ask him im private?

I asked him in private

 

[AlwaysThere]

I watched the HIStory 30th anniversary discussion that Brad Sundberg posted to his channel. Really fun listen and they answered some fan questions but it got me thinking, are the people that worked with Michael disappointed that fans care so much about unreleased music instead of learning about and appreciating the published ones?

It's amazing to hear the amount of work that went into the songs that made the albums but as a big fan, I am always hoping to hear and learn about the songs that never were. I think the community greatly appreciates the album tracks but maybe the feeling is they've learned everything there is to know about them already and there's nothing left to be told.

I've seen all sorts of reactions to questions about unreleased material. Some will avoid talking about them and quickly change the subject and others can't wait to tell you about them. Sundberg has stated the best stuff has already been put out, but will share demos without a backstory during his seminars. I've heard Buxer mention titles but opt out of playing anything. Other engineers are willing to tell stories pertaining to outtakes like "Much Too Soon" or "Truth on Youth". Bill Bottrell comes off a little disgusted when asked about the unfinished demos but is always willing to answer questions and I'm grateful for that.

I kind of get it, it's like if we were in their shoes and you knew what they had to go through to get this album finished or the lengths we went to with recording this song instead of focusing on the recording of a song idea. The former is probably far more interesting but I wish they'd understand how important it is to let us appreciate all the material and be properly educated.

God knows they could do a better job than the scatterbrained handlers of the estate.

Very valid question!

In my opinion, you hit the nail on the head: MJ’s official catalog has already been examined, dissected, and documented to a decently extensive degree. Of course some albums have gotten more attention than others, and it’s important to keep these conversations going for newcomers and the next generation. But at this point, I’ve heard the story of Quincy accidentally stumbling on “Human Nature” a million times, and I just don’t care to hear it again.

His vault is more tantalizing to me because it’s so shrouded in mystery and uncertainty. It seems like every year we discover another song title, or we learn that a song that was commonly thought to be an instrumental actually has full vocals, or we’re told that a track thought to have been recorded for Invincible originated during the Bad sessions. There’s so many unanswered questions.

For me, while I’d savor the opportunity, I don’t have much interest in hearing another anecdote about the recording of “Black or White.” But if Michael Prince offered to tell us about “H2O?” I’d be sat.

 

[Derek1984]

Very valid question!

In my opinion, you hit the nail on the head: MJ’s official catalog has already been examined, dissected, and documented to a decently extensive degree. Of course some albums have gotten more attention than others, and it’s important to keep these conversations going for newcomers and the next generation. But at this point, I’ve heard the story of Quincy accidentally stumbling on “Human Nature” a million times, and I just don’t care to hear it again.

His vault is more tantalizing to me because it’s so shrouded in mystery and uncertainty. It seems like every year we discover another song title, or we learn that a song that was commonly thought to be an instrumental actually has full vocals, or we’re told that a track thought to have been recorded for Invincible originated during the Bad sessions. There’s so many unanswered questions.

For me, while I’d savor the opportunity, I don’t have much interest in hearing another anecdote about the recording of “Black or White.” But if Michael Prince offered to tell us about “H2O?” I’d be sat.

And we have every reason to have hope.

BAD25 had some very good demo's (and we know there is much more from that era). Xscape gave us Lovin' You which we didn't even know that title existed. Dream Away got leaked and we had no clue about that title and that song deserved to be released.

So you can't blame fans for always asking about what's in the vault when it's been proven there are some great songs and titles we have never heard of before.

 

[ChanceToDance]

Small stuff but the jackson.ch channel gave a very brief description on how "Bombay Nights" sounds like. It's a slightly funky instrumental, and it's very repetitive. Yeah.

And also "Children's Holiday" and "People Of The World" were actually made during the HIStory sessions instead of after? Not sure if that's the case or if there's an error in the auto-translate.

 

[smoothvillain]

Very valid question!

In my opinion, you hit the nail on the head: MJ’s official catalog has already been examined, dissected, and documented to a decently extensive degree. Of course some albums have gotten more attention than others, and it’s important to keep these conversations going for newcomers and the next generation. But at this point, I’ve heard the story of Quincy accidentally stumbling on “Human Nature” a million times, and I just don’t care to hear it again.

His vault is more tantalizing to me because it’s so shrouded in mystery and uncertainty. It seems like every year we discover another song title, or we learn that a song that was commonly thought to be an instrumental actually has full vocals, or we’re told that a track thought to have been recorded for Invincible originated during the Bad sessions. There’s so many unanswered questions.

For me, while I’d savor the opportunity, I don’t have much interest in hearing another anecdote about the recording of “Black or White.” But if Michael Prince offered to tell us about “H2O?” I’d be sat.

I agree a thousand percent.

Finding out new information is like discovering sunken treasure.

Even without actually hearing the music, being reassured with titles and the details of songs that I've heard about fills me with hope that eventually they will see the light of day.

 

[GotThis]

New song next 100 years

 

[BlackAnon]

Hopefully we get to hear this dance mix of Speed Demon. Man Parrish confirmed he met Michael after the release of BAD and was asked to remix Speed Demon. Quincy loved it but it was never released.

 

[Derek1984]

Hopefully we get to hear this dance mix of Speed Demon. Man Parrish confirmed he met Michael after the release of BAD and was asked to remix Speed Demon. Quincy loved it but it was never released.

So we could've got this on BAD25 but instead we got a Nero remix

 

[wonderouzmj]

So we could've got this on BAD25 but instead we got a Nero remix

Blame JB

 

[james283126]

Totally random but did Michael ever record demos for Centipede and Eaten Alive?

 

[Fuzball]

Totally random but did Michael ever record demos for Centipede and Eaten Alive?

He did a demo for EA. And I think for C, too. Iirc, John Barnes said so; (somebody correct me if I'm wrong on this).

 

[james283126]

He did a demo for EA. And I think for C, too. Iirc, John Barnes said so; (somebody correct me if I'm wrong on this).

Would love to hear those! Beano’s AI of Eaten Alive is fantastic but definitely makes you wonder what the real vocal sounds like! Centipede would just be phenomenal!

 

[SmoothMel7]

John Barnes only confirmed for Alright Now if I'm not mistaken.
And for Eaten Alive, MJ made a demo but we're not sure if it's finalized. Chris Cadman told me he thinks there is a full demo. I hope so but I'd like to be sure.

 

[Derek1984]

Would love to hear those! Beano’s AI of Eaten Alive is fantastic but definitely makes you wonder what the real vocal sounds like! Centipede would just be phenomenal!

Agree, would love to hear that. Would also love to hear a demo of Nighttime Lover.

I guess someone would have to ask Rebbie if MJ recorded his version of Centipede.

 

[Fuzball]

Would love to hear those! Beano’s AI of Eaten Alive is fantastic but definitely makes you wonder what the real vocal sounds like! Centipede would just be phenomenal!

You're the one, too. I assume there's also a version of it with full MJ vocals.