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The Discussion of MJ's Unreleased Tracks

Mister_Jay_Tee said:
Also Water is a marvelous 30 seconds of music. Every time I drink H20 I think of it.
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Lmao I got that same brainrot, every time I hear someone say the word "water" that song starts playing in my head šŸ˜­

And also, it's crazy how "Water" complements "Stranger In Moscow" so well, whenever I listen to SIM I go back to the snippets we have afterwards. The song feels like an epilogue. I wish at least the full seminar recording would leak already, it's kind of jarring to listen to snippets that are all varying in quality. It can't be worth jackshit at this point lol
 
this is very random, but does anyone know anything about the 2008 Reproduction of I Have This Dream by K-R.O.K? I know it has a tribute artist but maybe Michael hired him to rework it or something. I would be curious to hear it official or not, since he is a pretty good producer.
 
I pity the Pathetic Fool, who would actually try to make an IG story with that chopped up LQ Rocker hodgepodge.

I might be that pathetic fool
 
With MJā€™s work ethic in mind, hooks and chorus demos aplenty left, how is it that

Iā€™m So Blue

Is the exact opposite to his usual methodology, pretty robust verses with only da da daā€™s as a hook?

Theres gotta be more surprises left in the vault. Theres gotta be
 
Mister_Jay_Tee said:
With MJā€™s work ethic in mind, hooks and chorus demos aplenty left, how is it that

Iā€™m So Blue

Is the exact opposite to his usual methodology, pretty robust verses with only da da daā€™s as a hook?

Theres gotta be more surprises left in the vault. Theres gotta be
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I always took it that the hook was meant to be like a wordless sigh, similar to the chorus of ā€œEarth Song.ā€ Seems weird that MJ would layer background vocals for unfinished lines, right?
 
AlwaysThere said:
I always took it that the hook was meant to be like a wordless sigh, similar to the chorus of ā€œEarth Song.ā€ Seems weird that MJ would layer background vocals for unfinished lines, right?
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Ohh wait. Thatā€™s actually so clever.

Maybe the Bad era just was the peak of his songwriting then, and once it didnā€™t eclipse Thriller, he stopped trusting in his hit making abilities. At least for a bit.
 
To be fair, the 90's werent very kind to MJ. The 80's had some tabloid junk, but I imagine after the allegations, his motivation took a hit. As did it when he became a father and took years to release Invincible. Then 03-05....The Thriller-Dangerous was probably his most prolifc song creation time.

I'm partial to later hits like HMH, DIG, The Loser, Hollywood, BoJ. But that's my preference. Of course, had MJ been able to finish these tracks, you know he would just knock it out.
 
Mister_Jay_Tee said:
Ohh wait. Thatā€™s actually so clever.

Maybe the Bad era just was the peak of his songwriting then, and once it didnā€™t eclipse Thriller, he stopped trusting in his hit making abilities. At least for a bit.
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A lot of stuff from Bad isn't just from the Bad sessions though. It's similar with Dangerous; he was reworking Dangerous era stuff up 'til he died. Liberian Girl and Dirty Diana are from the early 80s, but we associate them with the late 80s because of the release date. You can say they got reworked and remixed to be properly completed by the general sessions we associate with Bad, so they're more mid-80s. The period of work for Dangerous is then significantly less, with most production starting in 89 besides Dangerous evolving from Streetwalker. Even History borrows more from the late 80s and Dangerous sessions than Dangerous borrows outside its own sessions.

I will be very brave and stunning here: Dangerous is the most prolific, and therefore best era.
 
Frankyboy5 said:
Somebody named X1ONYX posted some of the recent leaks (Neverland Landing, Rocker snippet, Changes, From the Bottom of My Heart) with fake titles under streaming platforms including Spotify, YouTube Music, Amazon Music and Instagram. For now I guess you can use them for reels lol
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This makes me wonder, its a dumb thought but still, what are the chances that someone uploaded a song like idk, BB onto YouTube as a random channel and a random video title like idk, "Me on July 14 2021 with bees" or something
 
MsAshley said:
A lot of stuff from Bad isn't just from the Bad sessions though. It's similar with Dangerous; he was reworking Dangerous era stuff up 'til he died. Liberian Girl and Dirty Diana are from the early 80s, but we associate them with the late 80s because of the release date. You can say they got reworked and remixed to be properly completed by the general sessions we associate with Bad, so they're more mid-80s. The period of work for Dangerous is then significantly less, with most production starting in 89 besides Dangerous evolving from Streetwalker. Even History borrows more from the late 80s and Dangerous sessions than Dangerous borrows outside its own sessions.

I will be very brave and stunning here: Dangerous is the most prolific, and therefore best era.
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the Dirty Diana Demo from 1985 (I believe its a Hayvenhurt demo, and its not the 1983 one) is apparently very very similar to the final one, with just about all the lyrics from the final version on it
 
Something I'm a bit baffled by is why the full version of WAHTCTW hasn't been released or leaked yet. We know atleast 2 versions that are both ~5:00 minutes in length exist, and seminar recordings have leaked in really low quality, but idk why it just hasn't been released or even leaked, I don't even remember if it has extra vocals that aren't present on the edited released version
 
threepea11 said:
Something I'm a bit baffled by is why the full version of WAHTCTW hasn't been released or leaked yet. We know atleast 2 versions that are both ~5:00 minutes in length exist, and seminar recordings have leaked in really low quality, but idk why it just hasn't been released or even leaked, I don't even remember if it has extra vocals that aren't present on the edited released version
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It has extra vocals
 
Mister_Jay_Tee said:
Ohh wait. Thatā€™s actually so clever.

Maybe the Bad era just was the peak of his songwriting then, and once it didnā€™t eclipse Thriller, he stopped trusting in his hit making abilities. At least for a bit.
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Quincy had Michael pushing his pen during this time but at the same time, Michael was creating actual songs at Hayvenhurst so that could be why so many of them are far more fleshed out. Remember he thought he was done working with Q until he realized he had another album to do to fulfill the contract. Quincy was pushing friendly competition and that probably sparked Michael to be more active in completing songs. He didn't have that anymore after separating with Q and started relying on more outside writers to come in even though he was against it a few years earlier.
 
AlwaysThere said:
I always took it that the hook was meant to be like a wordless sigh, similar to the chorus of ā€œEarth Song.ā€ Seems weird that MJ would layer background vocals for unfinished lines, right?
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That's always been my impression yeah, earth song is a good comparison. It's not super uncommon for him to layer bgv for mumble though he does that on Brad Loop 3.3.7 for example lol
 
Clay7 said:
That's always been my impression yeah, earth song is a good comparison. It's not super uncommon for him to layer bgv for mumble though he does that on Brad Loop 3.3.7 for example lol
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Brad Loop 3.3.7 is such a weird case for me. Because it's not the common way that Michael works. Even the mumbling isn't the "non-sensical word" mumble way.
 
Something to note, we know that Quincys cant be released (for now) cus of well, y'know, and its been like that for years. But something to note is that people say PoF was produced by Quincy, but if it really was, then how was it released? ig that helps the evidence that the version released isn't produced by Quincy, not to mention that the track was still sent to Quincy as per Bottrell's notes
 
lotfi said:
Any news about crack kills .colorblind and craze
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Crack Kills was fully recorded by Michael in early November 1986, although it seems that there are no vocals from Run-DMC. Its unknown if the track itself was fully completed
 
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