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The Discussion of MJ's Unreleased Tracks

Billyjeanplxiv said:
Why are we sharing this guy's LinkedIn profile?
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Because it's in relation to the discussion about the Ryan Arnold Reddit account. The account gave an AMA almost 7 years ago claiming to be Larrabee Studio engineer Ryan Arnold, and was answering a bunch of questions related to Michael during the HIStory era.

The truth about that account is that it was just some bogus account ran by someone who was trolling. All of the information that he wrote in response to people asking questions were taken from this forum. So knowing that the account wasn't run by Ryan Arnold, then obviously the stuff about his child talking about his death via stroke is also bogus.
 
arisenow said:
I love that question. The answer: more than anyone would believe. He somehow has things you’d think aren’t even in circulation or would ever be available for sale.
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Okay, I have to ask because the curiosity is genuinely becoming unbearable at this point.

How? How does one even come into possession of material like this? Are we talking about people with direct ties to the industry? studio insiders, former collaborators, people who were simply *there* at the right moment in history? Or is this the result of years, maybe decades, of meticulous networking from the outside?

And forgive me for going slightly philosophical here, but.. we're all mortal. Every single one of us. And the thought of archives this significant potentially going unheard, lost to time...thats genuinely haunting. Is there a plan, somewhere down the line, to make sure this material sees the light of day before it's too late? For the fans, for history, for MJ himself in a sense?

Because I keep thinking about the endgame. What actually becomes of a collection like this once its guardian is no longer around? Does it get deleted.. deliberately erased, taking decades of history with it? Does it end up orphaned on some hard drive that nobody ever opens again? Or...and I genuinely hope this is the answer.. is there someone it gets passed down to? Someone who understands what it means and treats it accordingly?

These arent just files. They're pieces of history. And history deserves better than a trash bin.
 
Victorious said:
I wonder about the V2 too, anyone knows if the leaked stuff from 7 Digits is the most coherent part..?
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The snippets that leaked from the 2024 auction that sounds like it was recorded next to an air conditioner is the final dangerous version, which stems from a 1 hour work tape where Michael and Bryan are discussing the song. You can tell it has more elements in the instrumental. The snippets that leaked recently are from the initial 16 minute work session
 
Glanni said:
How? How does one even come into possession of material like this?
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Well, he’s always been very secretive, aside from one slip-up that I know of. So I’m not going to put this out publicly.

But it’s safe to assume he has connections within the industry — and, more importantly, money.
Glanni said:
Does it end up orphaned on some hard drive that nobody ever opens again?
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Who knows? I have a guess about what’s going to happen with the material (or what may have already happened), but let’s wait and see.
 
arisenow said:
Well, he’s always been very secretive, aside from one slip-up that I know of. So I’m not going to put this out publicly.

But it’s safe to assume he has connections within the industry — and, more importantly, money.

Who knows? I have a guess about what’s going to happen with the material (or what may have already happened), but let’s wait and see.
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Is Korg someone that is familiar to us? Did he sell his material? or did he share it?
 
Am I the only one that really dislikes the Westlake mix? I just listened to Korg’s mix and it totally sucks the life out of the track.
 
AlwaysThere said:
Am I the only one that really dislikes the Westlake mix? I just listened to Korg’s mix and it totally sucks the life out of the track.
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its because its pitched down by 0.4 semitones and the BPM is wrong, same thing with to the file @arisenow leaked. just pitch it up by 0.4 and increase the BPM by 1 or so
 
Eventidescape1 said:
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Yet his first bullet point is:

“I worked on the track Money in the soundbooth.”

Sound booths are isolated spaces where vocals or instruments are recorded, not where the recording engineer sits. That is called the control room. That is where the mixing console, speakers and so on are located.

Clearly this person does not have actual knowledge of what working in a recording studio is like.
 
AlwaysThere said:
Am I the only one that really dislikes the Westlake mix? I just listened to Korg’s mix and it totally sucks the life out of the track.
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here, https://pillows.su/f/ce3260bae2a23c4aa17f6d793d9cfbb4

Also, I'm pretty sure that the leaked Westlake version is a WIP of the final version. The Bad tracklist from 8-12-87 shows that the runtime of Streetwalker is 6:10, not 5:20 like the leak. Not to mention the drums being the Billie Jean drums lol
 
do we have this version in hq?


or is it still unleaked? or is it this the westlake mix (like korgnex upload from today)?
 
Glanni said:
do we have this version in hq?


or is it still unleaked? or is it this the westlake mix (like korgnex upload from today)?
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this supposedly a slightly different mix owned by Brad. It has an alternate outro, although it could just be Brad's edit or whatever, although I'm inclined to believe its a slightly different mix, as the outro also has some very hard to hear ad libs not present in any of the versions that leaked
 
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