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The Michael Jackson Chart Watch

Spotify albums ( april 30):

thriller ( 195,111,274)
Bad ( 129,058,085)
off the wall ( 71,951,300)
dangerous ( 54,490,744)
History ( 54,028,420)
xscape deluxe version ( 41,101,302)
invincible ( 35,568,594).
 
Ok stats and chart nerds 🤓 another question:

What do you think explains the differences of MJs ranking (or any observations for other artists) among different streaming services?
Do you think the users differ by e.g. age? Or is it maybe a difference between the people selecting songs to include in Playlist? Or could the estate marketing section for once have made a clever marketing deal to push charts on i tunes and Apple (via Playlists and suggested songs)?

As we "discuss" here many times, streaming can be manipulated to some degree (@R1chard , where are you these days 😉).
(This is not meant to diminish any mind blowing numbers! 🙌)

It's also interesting to ponder on the Idea that the more intense fans probably have not contributed proportionally to streaming success, because they are more likely to own physical and digital albums.
 
Spotify daily global ( april 29):

( top-200 songs)

Billie Jean ( 4)+1 ( 4,672,936)
beat it ( 9)+3 ( 3,592,390)
don't stop t'ill you get enough ( 35)+11
( 2,482,876)
smooth criminal ( 45)+6 ( 2,251,135)
human nature ( 54)+21 ( 2,107,494)
they don't care about us ( 66)+10
( 1,946,853)
the way you make me feel ( 97)+2
( 1,721,759)
Bad ( 99)+34 ( 1,726,341)
thriller ( 105)+11 ( 1,684,055)
rock with you ( 106)( 1,679,147)
dirty diana ( 115)+10 ( 1,626,100)
Chicago ( 149)+8 ( 1,468,130)
remember the time ( 166)+4 ( 1,406,061)

ps: big thank you Anita !!!
 
squirrelinthetree said:
Ok stats and chart nerds 🤓 another question:

What do you think explains the differences of MJs ranking (or any observations for other artists) among different streaming services?
Do you think the users differ by e.g. age? Or is it maybe a difference between the people selecting songs to include in Playlist? Or could the estate marketing section for once have made a clever marketing deal to push charts on i tunes and Apple (via Playlists and suggested songs)?

As we "discuss" here many times, streaming can be manipulated to some degree (@R1chard , where are you these days 😉).
(This is not meant to diminish any mind blowing numbers! 🙌)

It's also interesting to ponder on the Idea that the more intense fans probably have not contributed proportionally to streaming success, because they are more likely to own physical and digital albums.
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It doesn’t matter that some artists are bigger on one format than others. They all add up.

Believe me. If it were that easy to manipulate the figures, why wouldn’t they do it so that MJ is number 2 all year round?

In fact, why doesn’t everybody do it? Unless you think the estate are party to tactics no one else knows 🤷‍♂️😂

Nah. You still don’t seem to trust the fact that getting nearly 8000 points - overtaking all current artists and catching #1 - is simply unheard of for a Dead Legacy artist.
Richard (whoever that is) can’t help you here.

For some reason your looking for something they isn’t there. Instead of appreciating what ‘your idol’ is doing.

It really is BIG numbers. Don’t just look at one source. Take in what beltrano et al are posting and see for yourself.

However if someone has told you it’s all manipulated, (Richard?), then perhaps charts/$sales/stats are not for you?
 
how lucky WE are
MJ5824ever said:
It doesn’t matter that some artists are bigger on one format than others. They all add up.

Believe me. If it were that easy to manipulate the figures, why wouldn’t they do it so that MJ is number 2 all year round?

In fact, why doesn’t everybody do it? Unless you think the estate are party to tactics no one else knows 🤷‍♂️😂

Nah. You still don’t seem to trust the fact that getting nearly 8000 points - overtaking all current artists and catching #1 - is simply unheard of for a Dead Legacy artist.
Richard (whoever that is) can’t help you here.

For some reason your looking for something they isn’t there. Instead of appreciating what ‘your idol’ is doing.

It really is BIG numbers. Don’t just look at one source. Take in what beltrano et al are posting and see for yourself.

However if someone has told you it’s all manipulated, (Richard?), then perhaps charts/$sales/stats are not for you?
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@kxthrills

Most streamed pre 2000 albums on Spotify yesterday

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MJ5824ever said:
Nah. You still don’t seem to trust the fact that getting nearly 8000 points - overtaking all current artists and catching #1 - is simply unheard of for a Dead Legacy artist.
Richard (whoever that is) can’t help you here.
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I'm old school... is there an easy way to put this number into a context? What does it mean to get 8000 points and how many would get such a number today?
 
Billie Jean 78 said:
I'm old school... is there an easy way to put this number into a context? What does it mean to get 8000 points and how many would get such a number today?
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Only 2 at the moment;

#1 Justin bieber
#2 Michael Jackson

#3 is on 5000 points

Taylor Swift less.

I don’t know what else to tell you, other than what I’ve said. It’s MASSIVE.

Google kworb charts.

I’m old school - 55 years old - but we’re not in 1980’s anymore, and I move with the times 🤷‍♂️😂
 
MJ5824ever said:
Only 2 at the moment;

#1 Justin bieber
#2 Michael Jackson

#3 is on 5000 points

Taylor Swift less.

I don’t know what else to tell you, other than what I’ve said. It’s MASSIVE.

Google kworb charts.

I’m old school - 55 years old - but we’re not in 1980’s anymore, and I move with the times 🤷‍♂️😂
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Ok... but what does it mean getting 8000 points? At this point it means as much to me as getting ... I don't know... three bananas?
 
If it helps you understand;

Madonna 200+ points
Beyoncé 300
Eminem 300
Dua Lipa 400

Give me an artist you like and I’ll let you know
 
It means MJ’s albums/singles/videos are blowing up the charts at the moment more than every other artist apart from Justin Bieber.

It’s really not that hard 🤷‍♂️
 
MJ5824ever said:
It means MJ’s albums/singles/videos are blowing up the charts at the moment more than every other artist apart from Justin Bieber.

It’s really not that hard 🤷‍♂️
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Well... given that I still don't know how it works, it can't be that easy either. I mean... is it units sold, is it clicks on Youtube, is it streams on Spotify? But I guess I should get used to the fact that no one knows how anything works anymore.
 
Billie Jean 78 said:
Well... given that I still don't know how it works, it can't be that easy either. I mean... is it units sold, is it clicks on Youtube, is it streams on Spotify? But I guess I should get used to the fact that no one knows how anything works anymore.
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A lot of people ‘know’ how it works. It’s very simple.

We just don’t have time to educate everyone who can’t use Google, it’s tiring after a while.

Fact MJ is currently the 2nd most streamed/downloded/viewed/listened to etc etc etc artist in the world.

It’s so simple.
 
A lot of people do
MJ5824ever said:
A lot of people ‘know’ how it works. It’s very simple.

We just don’t have time to educate everyone who can’t use Google, it’s tiring after a while.

Fact MJ is currently the 2nd most streamed/downloded/viewed/listened to etc etc etc artist in the world.

It’s so simple.
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A lot of people might... and maybe one day I will get a chance to talk to one of them.
 
MJ5824ever said:
Nah. You still don’t seem to trust the fact that getting nearly 8000 points - overtaking all current artists and catching #1 - is simply unheard of for a Dead Legacy artist.
Richard (whoever that is) can’t help you here.

For some reason your looking for something they isn’t there. Instead of appreciating what ‘your idol’ is doing.
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Sorry, I wrote that disclaimer in every post but still my questions are misunderstood.
I DO NOT doubt that this is massive.
I DO appreciate what's happening! Micheal would say "i really do"

I am honestly curious, as I note differences in figures, e.g. those available on kworb. I am in science actually and see how different figures show things from different angles and one can gain insights also from the less pleasing angles. But as all charts are great atm, we might as well put things a bit in perspective, maybe?

Like number 2 in the overall chart is based on points given somehow for current songs in the charts across all platforms, apparently. Numbers here change daily and could go down as quickly as they went up - but i think they won't do that soon. On Spotify he is number 18 in monthly listeners, a moving average over months that fluctuates normally like weekly or so, and number 89 in the overall artist ranking for streams "of all time", which changes around monthly or so.
So in total, several songs are absolutely trending right now, a growing number of people listen to him per month (esp. Since last August), but the number of songs they listen to per person must be lower on average over time and it was lower before. Even those all time figures climb slowly now and as they are slow and steady, will probably keep on. I remember the 89 used to be sth. Like 97 last year.
So I wondered what the difference is in other services and if you have an idea.

I don't think it's all manipulated, but someone on here usually stresses that daily. I do think some marketing is possible to give songs or artists a temporary push. Users don't always select music but songs and Playlists are suggested depending also on what is hot. And it would have been a smart move to use this to boost the suggestions around the time the movie comes out and people are receptive. It's marketing, doesn't mean people listen if they don't enjoy.

Sorry for that long prose. But really, I don't and i think no one here wants to destroy the enthusiasm.
 
Billie Jean 78 said:
A lot of people do

A lot of people might... and maybe one day I will get a chance to talk to one of them.
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Found this on kworb FAQ: 🤣
Q: The way you calculate the points is stupid, it's very important that you improve the methodology.
A: The ranking should not be taken that seriously. This was just an easy way to do it. The different artist pages are the main feature of this section.
 
But the methodology doesn’t matter if it’s the same for all artists.

The facts remain even if people don’t like or understand them.

It indicates what’s successful at any given time.

MJ is normally no where near #2 and neither are any other dead legacy artists. But, he is now - due to the success of the film and millions of extra streams/downloads etc. etc.

Facts don’t care if we like or understand them. It really didn’t matter if you don’t.

Those of us that follow these things - including millions of other acts fans - are amazed at what the Film and MJ’s music is doing.

You don’t have to enjoy it. But don’t be silly enough to pretend it’s not happening in a MASSIVE way 🤷‍♂️
 
Asking does not equal questioning. For anyone who is willing to share, we can learn a lot from each other on this forum 💚

Let's please all take a deep breath, try to get some sleep, and remember that we are here as fans, all of us. 🙏
Wish you a better and healing night
 
SmoothCriminal1984 said:
Does anyone know how much sales of the michael biopic soundtrack gone up to?
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Probably none. People stream these days. It's quite a poor album - if you were going to buy a MJ CD it wouldn't be the soundtrack. The only way it will get anywhere is if the numbers are manipulated.

Amazon UK talks about selling 400 copies in a month, which is nothing.

squirrelinthetree said:
What do you think explains the differences of MJs ranking (or any observations for other artists) among different streaming services?
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Yeah, I was thinking about that a while ago. I think most of it is random, but there is something about which songs have been paid for to be placed on which default playlists. Remember most people don't actually pick the songs they listen to, they just passively go with what they're told to listen to.

I'm not sure there's much of a demographic difference between the platforms. Maybe the hi-res ones have older people, who might like the 70s music more.

I really would love to see the scatter plot of MJ songs on Spotify Vs Apple or Amazon though.

squirrelinthetree said:
It's also interesting to ponder on the Idea that the more intense fans probably have not contributed proportionally to streaming success, because they are more likely to own physical and digital albums.
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True. OG fans already have all the albums on CD, therefore they play no part in any sales or streaming charts.

Billie Jean 78 said:
I'm old school... is there an easy way to put this number into a context? What does it mean to get 8000 points and how many would get such a number today?
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I think that's the point. It's abstract and meaningless... We must remember none of this data represents actual sales.
 
youtube most viewed music videos in the past 24 hours ( top-500):

Billie Jean ( 8)( =)( 2,347,982)
beat it ( 11)+1 ( 2,086,562)
they don't care about us ( 23)+3 ( 1,412,076)
smooth criminal ( 26)+4 ( 1,358,949)
thriller-4k ( 35)+2 ( 1,184,247)
don't stop t'ill you get enough ( 36)+3
( 1,181,569)
bad ( 73)+12 ( 780,141)
thriller-shortened version ( 92)+37
( 704,045)
remember the time ( 103)+21 ( 664,496)
rock with you ( 150)+2 ( 556,068)
the way you make me feel ( 197)+3
( 497,068)
human nature ( 211)+24 ( 480,980)
earth song ( 213)+67 ( 479,951)
dirty diana ( 236)+52 ( 458,168)
Black or white shortened version
( 246)+41 ( 447,471).
 
Spotify albums to date :

thriller ( 6,963,066,170)
Bad ( 4,071,114,539)
off the wall ( 2,103,624,159)
dangerous ( 1,853,926,867)
xscape deluxe version ( 1,578,611,759)
History ( 1,367,372,342)
invincible ( 724,112,441)

all credits ( 2026)( 1,776,797,068).
 
i tunes worldwide album chart top-200:

( april 30)

thriller ( 3)( =)
Michael ( 4)
bad ( 7)
History ( 8)+9
number ones ( 10)
the essential ( 12)
off the wall ( 19)+4
dangerous ( 24)
xscape ( NEW)( 73)
invincible ( NEW)( 140)
this is it ( 179)+23
the ultimate collection J5 ( NEW)( 184).
 
us i tunes top-40 music-videos :

thriller ( 5)
Bad ( 10)
Billie Jean ( 12)
we are the world ( 13)
remember the time ( 14)
Beat it ( 15)
smooth criminal ( 16)
the way you make me feel ( 19)
beat it ( 21)
dirty diana ( 23)
they don't care about us ( 30)
scream ( 31).
 
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