And if the Estate did pay for the checkmark, some fans would still complain and bother. (why did you pay for twitter blue? blah blah blah) Damned if you do, Damned if you Don't. This blue checkmark means nothing anyways especially when they're just allowing anyone to have one these days.
How would one go about requesting to listen to these songs
You can do it on their website but I have no clue how the entire thing works. Might be better to ask Damien Shields on his Twitter for more details. https://www.copyright.gov/forms/search_estimate.html
I'm pretty much the same mate. I will say this version of She's Trouble did a lot more for me than the leaked one.
Awesome, thanks for this, I'll bust out Soulseek today for the two leaks.
I've never used Soulseek, how does it work?
Not a technical guru myself, but it's a file sharing platform. I Think it's an application, don't quote me on that
Ok Branca
Imagine me being his archivist in the 80s/90s.. Actually describing the demo's, making copies..Didnt MJ have an archivist? At least in the 80s/90s? Hopefully the Billie Jean Master is just misplaced (like the Bad tour film) and not tossed. It's a shame that it was just "standard practice" to throw away masters after being edited to tape.
Hopefully we get some HD Billie Jean scenes in the doc.......if it ever actually gets released lol
Susan Rogers, a sound engineer, did that for Prince. I don't know if she was literally making copies but she did create a proper database for the two-inch, quarter-inch, half-inch tapes, stuff like that. She also collected his master tapes - or some of them, at least.Imagine me being his archivist in the 80s/90s.. Actually describing the demo's, making copies..
It seems MJ's legacy is kind of a mess in comparison..? Understatement? With a proper, complete, maybe even digitalized database it would be so much easier to compile 'new' work and 'finish' demo's it would seem. We at least wouldn't have to rely on the producers to hear his music
I have no idea but that's the impression I get.
I don't think so.
Perhaps I'm being unfair but Prince has a vault which seems to be pretty well organised and ... er, Michael doesn't. Or doesn't seem to. Don't wanna slag off the likes of Matt Forger - who I absolutely adore - or any of Michael's studio team. He had an ace team working for him, they were geniuses. I love them to bits and being the archivist or person who organises the vault wouldn't be part of their duties, anyway. Someone mentioned Michael's personal assistant as having some responsibility for this but they would be so busy keeping on top of Michael's professional life and, no doubt, also helping him with aspects of his personal life. That's what PA's do. Organising the vault on top of all of that is a big ask, imo.
Agreed. I think it's the fact of stuff being scattered around various different people rather than all of it - or most of it - being gathered together in one place. Even if the stuff isn't physically brought together, just having a 'master' database of everything, where it is, who has it etc. Lots of people have said this. It just makes sense to me.
Just find it disheartening that MP has said this more than once but nothing seems to happen, afaik. He seems dead organised, seems a shame to just let that go. Those people are a fabulous resource. Make the most of them!
Prince had an actual, physical vault at his house, i.e., a climate-controlled room with an alarm system and a secure door. After recording, whether it's a song or film reels of a concert, it would all go in there:
Yes but that also makes me wonder why they have stuff and MJ (Estate or Sony) doesn't; since the rights to all the music (demo's and tracks) would be theirs right..?
I've always just put it down to them not bothering about stuff that isn't right in front of them. Maybe they do have that stuff, who knows. Past examples make me think they don't though.
I think that's quite likely. We could start seeing things pop up soon. I'm sure John Barnes had a lot of material, and his family doesn't seem that well off... He was basically the Brad Buxer of the 80s, i.e. MJ's go-to musician for solo produced material.
It's quite simple, actually. MJ's former employees like Michael Prince are physically in possession of the material. The Estate has the sole rights to publish this material, i.e. the material cannot be released by anyone other than the Estate. The collaborators are asking for money to hand it over. The Estate is currently not interested in releasing it, so there is no reason for them to pay anyone to hand it over.
But didn't MJ had the material in the first place, I always heard that it was studio practice the work (at least the vocals) went home with him..?
Michael Prince was Michael's personal engineer. He was a full-time employee and traveled with Michael Jackson wherever he went. Pretty much all music MJ composed solo in his final years was physically kept by Michael Prince rather than MJ.
Michael Prince said he had 40 releasable songs in his possession, that number seems plausible if you consider the songs MJ had made with other people and if you count the songs he was reworking with MJ throughout TUC and his final years.
Thank you! That makes sense yes!
The big snafu in 2012 was basically because they couldn't find Wembley. No clue if they ever did find it right?
Yeah the estate said they haven't found it in a Q&A few years ago. They didnt even know it was filmed until we gave them that info. I wish they asked Frank back In 2012 before he passed.
