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GinnyJackson

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No i do not think so. A lot of the "Findings" seem to be planted. The pot, and the empty packs of cigarettes that they found. We know Michael didn't smoke because that would be putting something NASTY into his lungs. And we all know that his breath got taken away enough with the dancing he did he didn't need to add to it.

What do you all think about the "Findings"?
 
cigarettes were found with a baggy with murray's name on it in mj's bedroom , so we really don't know whether it belonged to murray or mj .
 
if they were gonna plant something it wouldnt be a packet of cigs. murrays stuff murrays bag
 
I'm sorry i meant they were found in mj's bathroom along with murray's bag
 
and there is a huge problem with the chain of custody , according to the search warrant issued on murray's office they found bottles of meds beside mj's bed , they listed the meds and the doctors who prescribed them and said these meds were seized on 25th of june . the detectives then say we interviewed murray , went back to the house seized a bag which belonged to him with "multiple bottles/vials of lidocaine,propofol" they further said" non of the labeled drugs were prescribed to any patient " that's happened on 29th of june .
we have the search warrant about the "heroin" , they seized the bottles of meds , a baggy with murrays name bottles of empty meds , 12 bottle of temazepan ...etc .these happend on 26th of june .

it seems they had never really searched the house , there is a huge problem if indeed that what really happened .
 
Michael didn't smoke though, did he?

I know I remember hearing that he smoked when he was young but I thought he'd quit a long time ago.
 
he didn't smoke. If he was as health conscience as he seemed then he wouldn't be doing THAT to his lungs. I find that this stuff is all just to strange.
 
The "tar-like substance" believed to be heroin, turned out to be moldy marijuana. I believe it may have been for medicinal purposes. Medical Cannibis is considered "alternative medicine", but it is not uncommon. Many health conscious people who are opposed to prescription drugs use this as an aid for hundreds of different ailments. However, the fact that is was moldy shows that he obviously was not a regular user - if he ever even did use it, that is. =P
 
No, that got started when there was a picture of Michael with a cig in his mouth. But it wasn't lit or anything, just had it in his mouth for the pic.
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Michael didn't smoke though, did he?

I know I remember hearing that he smoked when he was young but I thought he'd quit a long time ago.
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Michael did not smoke. It must of been Murray's. If Michael smoked then everyone would be writing crap about it by now.
 
Nah michael didnt smoke. He didn't allow himself to do things in life to keep himself in shape and his lungs and vocal chords healthy. Just like madonna said at the vma's "I was hellbent on getting him to drink wine, eat dessert, say bad words..." Things he never to allow himself to do

Of course we know he ate dessert and said words (his songs prove that) LOL But smoking is a big N-O
 
GinnyJackson said:
No i do not think so. A lot of the "Findings" seem to be planted. The pot, and the empty packs of cigarettes that they found. We know Michael didn't smoke because that would be putting something NASTY into his lungs. And we all know that his breath got taken away enough with the dancing he did he didn't need to add to it.

What do you all think about the "Findings"?
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I believe EVERYTHING was STAGED as they waited for their IV Drip to take its Toll afterall this is a HOMICIDE.
 
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I believe EVERYTHING was STAGED as they waited for their IV Drip to take its Toll afterall this is a HOMICIDE.
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I agree the IV drip was for electrolytes and too prevent dehydration , this was used to give him stuff other than electrolytes
 
Gaiaschild said:
I agree the IV drip was for electrolytes and too prevent dehydration , this was used to give him stuff other than electrolytes
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Yes the Lethal Injection was in the IV as they gave him increased dosages to murder him, the Propofol was used to keep him alive on Life Support to throw off his time of death, like my Granny said Michael Jackson went into Cardiac Arrest many times before he finally died and became Leivd. All I could do was just think how brutal a death he endured while his murderers just stood around watching him go into Cardiac Arrest time and time again until he finally died, so they could continue their looting and stealing until they knew he was dead and time for them to clear out before the Sun came up and call the Fall Guy Murray to take his position.
 
MJ#1WhoIsIt said:
Yes the Lethal Injection was in the IV as they gave him increased dosages to murder him, the Propofol was used to keep him alive on Life Support to throw off his time of death, like my Granny said Michael Jackson went into Cardiac Arrest many times before he finally died and became Leivd. All I could do was just think how brutal a death he endured while his murderers just stood around watching him go into Cardiac Arrest time and time again until he finally died, so they could continue their looting and stealing until they knew he was dead and time for them to clear out before the Sun came up and call the Fall Guy Murray to take his position.
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So true

They tried to say he was a drug addict. MJ had been brutally murdered, so they can control his money and his music catalogue. I hope they rot in hell. They even sent a black Doctor to kill Mj.

Michael was right, history is a lie.
 
the iv was used to give him the diprivan and the benzos
 
elusive moonwalker said:
the iv was used to give him the diprivan and the benzos
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According to dick gregory during the trials, because he was afraid someone was poisoning him,he became dehydrated and he used IV for electrolytes and also he had got dehydrated when rehearsing before, so I think that is what the IV was for. Yes someone used this opportunity to give him propofol. There is no way he wanted propofol at 9.00am in the morning,when he had breakfast with his children each morning and had rehearsals later that day.
 
How do ANY of you know what he DID and DIDN'T do?

"Michael didn't smoke!" Really? Where's the proof of that? Did you actually live with him?

I'll see what the authorities say and then I'll pass a judgment. Crying out "conspiracy" sounds ridiculous.

The whole thing about "tabloid junkie" was the result of sensationalism: Prejudice. Creating conspiracies such as these are nothing but prejudgmented views without absolutely no type of factoid into it. It's sensationalism.
 
Mr. Penguin said:
How do ANY of you know what he DID and DIDN'T do?

"Michael didn't smoke!" Really? Where's the proof of that? Did you actually live with him?

I'll see what the authorities say and then I'll pass a judgment. Crying out "conspiracy" sounds ridiculous.

The whole thing about "tabloid junkie" was the result of sensationalism: Prejudice. Creating conspiracies such as these are nothing but prejudgmented views without absolutely no type of factoid into it. It's sensationalism.
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Um, everything in the Investigative Unit is speculative. Why are you reading these threads if you don't want to read speculation?

No, we don't know for certain that Michael didn't smoke, not having lived with him, but not everyone on this forum is just a fan at a computer - some have had contact with the man and can make much more informed conclusions. Moreover, based on what we know of Michael's character and values, we can guess that there is a very strong probability that he did not smoke. 100%? No. But strong enough that we can make such statements confidently.
 
pleiades said:
Um, everything in the Investigative Unit is speculative. Why are you reading these threads if you don't want to read speculation?

No, we don't know for certain that Michael didn't smoke, not having lived with him, but not everyone on this forum is just a fan at a computer - some have had contact with the man and can make much more informed conclusions. Moreover, based on what we know of Michael's character and values, we can guess that there is a very strong probability that he did not smoke. 100%? No. But strong enough that we can make such statements confidently.
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I want to read speculations, but at least speculations with something to it.

There is no basis for these speculations. Some fans thinking that Michael didn't smoke makes it worth speculating?

Well, not in my mind.
 
Mr. Penguin said:
I want to read speculations, but at least speculations with something to it.

There is no basis for these speculations. Some fans thinking that Michael didn't smoke makes it worth speculating?

Well, not in my mind.
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so then stay out of the speculation threads...if you cannot handle the speculation....hhmmm.......you are mighty rude!!!
 
Mr. Penguin said:
There is no basis for these speculations. Some fans thinking that Michael didn't smoke makes it worth speculating?
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1. Michael was a Jehovah's Witness for the first half of his life. While he did eventually leave the religion, he did take it very seriously before - he didn't celebrate Christmas until Liz Taylor celebrated with him, he talked about wearing disguises to go out pioneering, he mentioned going to the Kingdom Hall, he thanks Jehovah for his gift of dance, etc. Jehovah's Witnesses are very anti-smoking. Therefore, it would be consistent with Michael's other JW-following behavior to not smoke.

2. Michael was health conscious. He dabbled in vegetarianism, was against the use of illegal drugs, and is famous for wearing face masks to protect himself from diseases or airborne particles. It would be consistent with Michael's other health-conscious behaviors to not smoke.
 
pleiades said:
1. Michael was a Jehovah's Witness for the first half of his life. While he did eventually leave the religion, he did take it very seriously before - he didn't celebrate Christmas until Liz Taylor celebrated with him, he talked about wearing disguises to go out pioneering, he mentioned going to the Kingdom Hall, he thanks Jehovah for his gift of dance, etc. Jehovah's Witnesses are very anti-smoking. Therefore, it would be consistent with Michael's other JW-following behavior to not smoke.

2. Michael was health conscious. He dabbled in vegetarianism, was against the use of illegal drugs, and is famous for wearing face masks to protect himself from diseases or airborne particles. It would be consistent with Michael's other health-conscious behaviors to not smoke.
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I don't understand how he was against illegal drugs when MJ's own legal team made a plead to exclude evidence regarding cocaine in the 2003 trial?
 
Mr. Penguin said:
How do ANY of you know what he DID and DIDN'T do?

"Michael didn't smoke!" Really? Where's the proof of that? Did you actually live with him?

I'll see what the authorities say and then I'll pass a judgment. Crying out "conspiracy" sounds ridiculous.

The whole thing about "tabloid junkie" was the result of sensationalism: Prejudice. Creating conspiracies such as these are nothing but prejudgmented views without absolutely no type of factoid into it. It's sensationalism.
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Michael used the word *conspiracy* when talking to Ed Bradley of 60 minutes. According to LaToya , Michael told her that if he died it would be because of his catalog. She believes her brother. Please don't blame this on drugs. Don't brush something under the rug because you don't understand it. Michael wasn't the only person in the world who believed they could be killed for something or even for speaking. That why there are things such as witness protection program.

http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/showpost.php?p=2016051&postcount=138
 
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Mr. Penguin said:
I want to read speculations, but at least speculations with something to it.

There is no basis for these speculations. Some fans thinking that Michael didn't smoke makes it worth speculating?

Well, not in my mind.
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I'm not saying this to be offensive, but I'm making an observation. You say that Michael believed in such and such and wouldn't approve... but he also told people not to read tabloid trash. So on the one hand you condemn this forum, but on the other hand you say that you like to read speculation. pardon me, but that seems hypocritcal.
 
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