Xscape General Discussion

Re: News and discussion about new MJ album : Xscape, May 13, 2014.

17 song's on the deluxe edition and 2 video's on a seperate dvd.. what will be the bonus track? it could be anything.. very excited to see the tracklist revealed! i prefer the deluxe cover over the standard cover too! gold suits it more

itunes version not DVD.
 
Re: News and discussion about new MJ album : Xscape, May 13, 2014.

i hope the two videos will include some studio footage or just some unseen footage for a change. The videos for michael were practically of no value and forgotten immediately. Let's face it, if there is no michael in it, nobody will watch it twice.

agree.
 
Re: News and discussion about new MJ album : Xscape, May 13, 2014.

Sure I'm still gonna support this release (unlike Michael) and I can't be too annoyed about the lack of truly unheard material, but I can still be disappointed and still think twice about parting with money for it (I will be, don't worry).
Just wanted to give a quick clarification regarding my personal opinion on this point. What has bothered me most about AlwaysThere (and some others') attitude towards the album is:

1. The incredible hypocrisy in their conviction that listening to illegally leaked and illegally downloaded songs -- which they were never meant to have access to in the first place -- gives them some kind of claim on the material and a right to criticize and be upset about the decision by Epic / the estate to release it to the rest of the world as an official product.

2. The assumption that just because they have heard the leaked versions, it shouldn't be considered "new" material be anyone else either, even though most of the rest of the world have probably never even heard of these tracks.

3. The way they are blatantly announcing that they will just pirate the album because there is "barely any new material on it", while the only reason the material isn't new to them is due to their own choices and illegal activity. So, basically, because they chose to partake in illegal downloading of leaked songs they have to right to just illegally download those same songs all over again when they are released as an official product? Please...
 
Re: News and discussion about new MJ album : Xscape, May 13, 2014.

And when one of the songs directly recalls the bassline from The Way You Make Me Feel it seems like a step too far; a reminder again that these were songs that Jackson, ever the perfectionist, didn't finish for good reason.
The second person to mention this (referring to A Place With No Name). Seems quite bizarre if they changed the original bassline to TWYMMF's.
 
Re: News and discussion about new MJ album : Xscape, May 13, 2014.

I keep reading on here as I have scoured my way through the thread that there is a theme of people not exactly jumping for joy about the track: Love Never Felt So Good - Why is this? I am not too familiar with it myself so I am reserving judgment.

I actually like the demo. It's a charming song with great vocals and also clapping and fingersnapping by Michael. One of my fave demos. Why I was surprised it made it to the album because it does not seem to be that futuristic and/or cinematic type of song that would fit with the rest of the songs on album, but then the production might change it. I agree that because it's so simple (but charming) a lot of things could be done with this song, so let's wait and see. My only issue is that I'm not sure about it as a lead single (it's rumoured to be the lead single), but again, maybe the production will make it into an amazing lead single. Wait and see.
 
Re: News and discussion about new MJ album : Xscape, May 13, 2014.

30 second snippets online??? where can i find these on the official website???
 
Re: News and discussion about new MJ album : Xscape, May 13, 2014.

what the heck? snippets? hope they sound good (im at work :()
 
Re: News and discussion about new MJ album : Xscape, May 13, 2014.

April Fools?
 
Re: News and discussion about new MJ album : Xscape, May 13, 2014.

People, let's be serious. Some behave like little children...
 
Re: News and discussion about new MJ album : Xscape, May 13, 2014.


New ad for Sony Xperia & Xscape.

STTR with no Timbo adlibs. ;)
 
Re: News and discussion about new MJ album : Xscape, May 13, 2014.

I downloaded them too and when I reminded him that he illegally downloaded those songs not bought them I also added that I did too and my issue is not that fans give in to temptation and are curious and download leaks. I do that too. But then to complain that this release "is not worth my money" and "I am going to torrent it" is hypocritical on so many levels. One is that just bacause you illegally downloaded it you did NOT buy it! So it's not like you are required to buy the same thing twice. You did NOT buy it even once, yet it's on your computer and presumably you listen to it from time to time. So don't you think it would be fair to pay the price? Especially when you are talking about your favourite artist. Then the "I'm gonna torrent it" thing. If you torrent it that means you want to have it. Then why don't you buy it? Or if you do not care then do not buy it but then do not torrent it either.

I think to give even diehard fans a good reason to buy this album would be a good idea. To give the product the most value it can.

The rest of your post stretches into the illegal downloading territory which there's no point discussing in this thread. But when I look at myself, someone that's purchased multiple copies of the same Michael Jackson product, and when you consider a man that had wealth beyond his dreams, I don't really think it's a big issue for someone like me to download a leaked track. That said, I intend to buy the album.
 
Re: News and discussion about new MJ album : Xscape, May 13, 2014.

Hey guys, could you please vote for Michael? In case you forgot about the poll, it'd be a shame if Billie Jean loses over Baby One More Time. http://popcrush.com/michael-jackson...atest-pop-song-of-the-modern-era-semi-finals/

I won't let pessimistic nip-pickers ruin my happiness for the new album. It was our choice to listen to those leaked tracks and just because we did so, it doesn't mean the rest of the world don't deserve having the songs.
 
Re: News and discussion about new MJ album : Xscape, May 13, 2014.

2. The assumption that just because they have heard the leaked versions, it shouldn't be considered "new" material be anyone else either, even though most of the rest of the world have probably never even heard of these tracks.

Well, they were freely available to anyone with access to youtube. I don't think they should be considered 'new' if they were already in the public domain. Whether heard by someone or not. Unreleased, yes. Unheard/new, no.
 
Re: News and discussion about new MJ album : Xscape, May 13, 2014.

I think to give even diehard fans a good reason to buy this album would be a good idea. To give the product the most value it can.

The rest of your post stretches into the illegal downloading territory which there's no point discussing in this thread. But when I look at myself, someone that's purchased multiple copies of the same Michael Jackson product, and when you consider a man that had wealth beyond his dreams, I don't really think it's a big issue for someone like me to download a leaked track. That said, I intend to buy the album.

But don't you feel the irony and hipocrisy in it when someone say "I am going to torrent it"? APOM put it very well:

3. The way they are blatantly announcing that they will just pirate the album because there is "barely any new material on it", while the only reason the material isn't new to them is due to their own choices and illegal activity. So, basically, because they chose to partake in illegal downloading of leaked songs they have to right to just illegally download those same songs all over again when they are released as an official product? Please...
 
Re: News and discussion about new MJ album : Xscape, May 13, 2014.

But don't you feel the irony and hipocrisy in it when someone say "I am going to torrent it"? APOM put it very well:

Well its a bit of rebellion and a statement isn't it? The Estate put questionable songs on the last release that people paid for in good faith. Also, perhaps, immoral. I mean I can't say too much more on that, or use the words I'd like to, because it's against forum rules.

I'm not saying that people are carrying forward a grudge - although I know many are - I'm just trying to draw parrallel and suggest that really this relationship has to work both ways.

Ultimately, the point I'm trying to make is I really don't blame people who feel that way. I'm not condoning piracy. I'm just saying I empathise. I see what you guys are saying too, and I intend to purchase the album. I just don't like the idea of dismissing and shutting someone down.
 
Re: News and discussion about new MJ album : Xscape, May 13, 2014.

STTR it's 5 min long
picture from http://www.sonymobile.com/gb/products/phones/xperia-z2/
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Re: News and discussion about new MJ album : Xscape, May 13, 2014.

Well its a bit of rebellion and a statement isn't it? The Estate put questionable songs on the last release that people paid for in good faith. Also, perhaps, immoral. I mean I can't say too much more on that, or use the words I'd like to, because it's against forum rules.

I'm not saying that people are carrying forward a grudge - although I know many are - I'm just trying to draw parrallel and suggest that really this relationship has to work both ways.

Ultimately, the point I'm trying to make is I really don't blame people who feel that way. I'm not condoning piracy. I'm just saying I empathise. I see what you guys are saying too, and I intend to purchase the album. I just don't like the idea of dismissing and shutting someone down.

I'd agree with you normally, but when that opinion is expressed in such a childish and irrational manner I'm ok with that person being taken to task a little.
 
Re: News and discussion about new MJ album : Xscape, May 13, 2014.

There are rumors that the Bonus Track will be the Thriller Outtake entitled Nite Line, i can't seem to find the facebook post again right now though.
 
pollys2;3976640 said:
http://www.theguardian.com/music/musicblog/2014/apr/01/first-listen-michael-jackson-xscape

First listen: Michael Jackson's Xscape

When Michael Jackson released his 1995 double album, HIStory, he promoted it by sailing a 10-metre tall statue of himself through London, down the Thames. The statement was clear: Michael Jackson was back and as brilliantly OTT as ever. Fast forward 19 years and Michael Jackson is, well, dead, and the record industry doesn't have the money to spunk on big floating effigies anymore. But there's still an air of wonder and mystery about a "new" Michael Jackson album, despite 2011's first posthumous release, Michael, being an unmitigated disaster. Unfortunately, pop music in 2014 doesn't wait for massive proclamations and grand gestures; news leaks on Twitter before you can say "major label cash in".

Last week a number of journalists received an email inviting them to a playback for a mysterious new album. The only information included was the location – a ridiculously swanky hotel in Knightsbridge – the time (6pm) and the words "The Best You've Never Heard". That was it. Writers then had to ring the PR to find out who it was, with no confirmation taking place via email in case someone decided to hack in and leak it all on Twitter. Which, unfortunately, is sort of what happened, when Epic – Jackson's label – decided to announce news of a new Jackson album early, with dribs and drabs of information starting to emerge on Twitter, before a full press release was sent out yesterday lunchtime. Hardly pushing a massive barge down a river, but what can you do in straitened times?

So what do we know? We know the album is called Xscape, named after a Rodney Jerkins-produced song recorded during the sessions for Jackson's last proper album, Invincible, and now reworked by Jerkins for the new album. We know the lead producer on the album, brought in by Epic Records CEO LA Reid to "contemporise" songs from Jackson's vast song archive, is Timbaland and that other producers involved include Stargate, Jerome "J-Roc" Harmon and John McClain.

What we still can't tell you are any of the song titles, with the journalists gathered in the hotel's white 80s sci-fi nightclub nightmare of a function room told the song titles won't be shared and can't be mentioned because they're still being finalised (if I could hazard a guess I'd say they're keeping the song titles back because a lot of the songs have leaked already and it's not as exciting to hear the words "eight new Michael Jackson songs" if you can easily find demos for them online). All phones have to be handed in on the door, while this poor frontline journalist had to fight it out with two security guards to be able to carry in a bag containing a laptop I didn't really want dumped at the back of a cupboard (in the end I had to take the laptop out of the bag to show that it wasn't rigged with some sort of special recording device.)

Once inside the chatting throng are greeted by pictures of Jackson on the wall, as well as the "teaser" poster that was included in the invitation, alongside one that reads "Hearing Is Believing" (apparently these posters have already started appearing around London to help generate intrigue). After opening the whole event somewhat crassly with an advert for a new Sony mobile phone – which will be pre-loaded with the album – the MD of Sony UK tells us that in order to show off the mobile phone's excellent sound quality the album will be played through a phone over the speakers. Given that we've all just had our own phones taken off us, everyone assumes he's joking, but he's not; the first ever play anywhere in the world of a Timbaland-curated Michael Jackson album takes place through a mobile phone. Unfortunately it sounds like it as well – with nearly all of the songs lost amidst reverberating bass and too-high drum claps.

Despite the failing sound there's enough on show to categorically say, without question, that Xscape is leagues ahead of Michael, an album marred not only by the appearance of Akon but by accusations that some of the songs featured a Michael Jackson impersonator. Opening with a burst of disco-tinged soul, it's an album that seems to focus on songs from pre-90s Jackson, with the first song a light and airy take on the effortless Off the Wall era. With a youthful-sounding Jackson skipping in-between expensive-sounding production, it's reminiscent, somewhat ironically, of Justin Timberlake, especially his The 20/20 Experience double album. In fact, a lot of the Timbaland productions slip neatly into either Timberlake's FutureSex/LoveSounds-era – all squelchy beats, big drum claps and lashings of synth strings – or the more opulent sound of The 20/20 Experience. The second song – possibly called Chicago and cited by Timbaland as a future single – falls into the former camp, with Jackson utilising a harder vocal delivery that's encased in a big industrial melange of jackhammer beats.

While the album's stated purpose of making Jackson sound contemporary is followed to the letter, there are times when the production overwhelms songs that are perhaps not sturdy enough to support the added superstructure. The third song played is another Off the Wallesque, mid-paced love song with a youthful, almost naive-sounding vocal. It feels very much like a song that didn't make it on to an old album, and while the production is good – there's an amazing rolling beat throughout – it still feels slight. And when one of the songs directly recalls the bassline from The Way You Make Me Feel it seems like a step too far; a reminder again that these were songs that Jackson, ever the perfectionist, didn't finish for good reason.

Thankfully five songs in there's a proper, undeniably amazing hit in the shape of what may or may not finally be called Do You Know Where Your Children Are (the original incarnation of the song leaked in 2012). Opening with a delicate flurry of cascading 80s synths, it feels like the perfect embodiment of the old and the new, with some vintage “hee hee” ad-libs peppering the sophisticated mesh of electronics. It also features a typical Jackson pre-chorus section that then opens out into the album's best chorus, before a great false stop moment heralds an even more bonkers final third, with Jackson hee-heeing and ow-ing his head off.

The sixth song, Slave to the Rhythm, first appeared last summer, when a high quality version leaked as a duet with Justin Bieber (and again in snippet form on a mobile phone advert). Thankfully, Bieber is missing from the final version, which Timbaland has used to show off all his production touches – lashings of beatboxing in the intro, loads of vocal tics throughout, big spidery bassline and, as with some of his other songs on Xscape, barely any space for the song to breathe. Thankfully Slave to the Rhythm – thought to have been recorded initially for Dangerous in 1991 and then left off Invincible at the last minute – is strong enough to fight its way through the clutter. From there we get perhaps the album's only true lowpoint in a number that feels like about three different songs fighting for attention, before finishing with Jerkins' Xscape, the only song that sounds like a bit of a struggle vocally, with Jackson's various vocal tics becoming a bit of a hindrance rather than something more carefree. It also feeds on the paranoia Jackson brought into his music after the child abuse allegations of the mid-90s with lines like “I won't hide away” and “I can't do what I want to do” snarled rather than sung. But again, the production is sprightly, with synth strings and horn samples popping up unannounced and a bit towards the end where the various layers fall away to leave some brilliant ad-libs and the final word, “escape”.

Xscape feels like an album created to showcase a handful of Jackson songs that on the whole deserve to be heard. You get the immediate sense that a lot of time (and money) has been spent on these songs and that care's been taken to show the songs off in the best light possible. While some of them are very obviously album tracks at best, there are flashes of genius that haven't been diluted or watered down. In fact, Xscape manages to bring most of them to life.


From all the previews I have read so far DYKWYCA sounds amazing. Also they call more than one songs Off The Wall-esque. I guess that's a good thing in today's music climate and trends (Pharell, Timberlake, Daft Punk etc.).
 
Re: News and discussion about new MJ album : Xscape, May 13, 2014.

I think to give even diehard fans a good reason to buy this album would be a good idea. To give the product the most value it can.
That I do agree with and is also a consideration I have seen made with other posthumous albums. It would have been possible to, for instance, switch two tracks with Man in Black and CGYWOOM. That way those other two tracks could still be released on a later album, but the balance of leaked vs unleaked material on both albums could perhaps have been more even.

In the end I chose to listen to the leaks myself and I do not regret that. If I had known that they would be released in their original form I might have held out (though for a track like Escape, that was leaked 10 years ago, that's a different story of course), though I think without any idea when they would be released curiosity would have gotten the better of me anyway. :) I look forward to now hearing She Was Loving Me, Chicago, and the original versions of Slave and DYKWYCA on the album. It's also nice to have the other demos in good quality and who knows, we might get different versions than what has leaked before.
 
Re: News and discussion about new MJ album : Xscape, May 13, 2014.

I'd agree with you normally, but when that opinion is expressed in such a childish and irrational manner I'm ok with that person being taken to task a little.

All these posts whining about how we're not being 100% positive 100% of the time seem childish and irrational. Less backlash there.
 
Re: News and discussion about new MJ album : Xscape, May 13, 2014.

You can tell that review was from someone wanting to be very critical (I mean, how could anyone criticise that sublime vocal performance on 'Escape'?), but it still came across that they bought the album was fairly good.
 
Re: News and discussion about new MJ album : Xscape, May 13, 2014.

All these posts whining about how we're not being 100% positive 100% of the time seem childish and irrational. Less backlash there.
I'm not cool with that either.
 
Re: News and discussion about new MJ album : Xscape, May 13, 2014.

not supporting this..I don't trust the MJ estate or LA Reid.. where were these folks when MJ needed love and support the last years of his life? all of these folks are fake and money grubbers.. they didn't love or care about Michael. They are using his fans for $$$ because they know we and love miss so much.
 
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