You can release ONE previously unreleased track. Which one do you choose?

[SmoothCriminal1995]

Was it "Throwin' Your Life Away" per chance? I believe that was played once.

I wish I could remember my friend. Someone on this forum who went to a seminar, mentioned the song but not the title, I don't think it was Throwin' Your Life Away, but I could be wrong. I remember them mentioning it was a Dangerous era track and it was a great dance track with suggestive lyrics also it was complete

 

[dethorro]

Was it "Throwin' Your Life Away" per chance? I believe that was played once.

AlwaysThere, do you know by any chance when Throwin' Your Life Away was recorded? I've heard people say February or September 1988.
That track sounds to me more like something from the 85'/86' Hayvenhurst sessions tbh.

 

[AlwaysThere]

AlwaysThere, do you know by any chance when Throwin' Your Life Away was recorded? I've heard people say February or September 1988.
That track sounds to me more like something from the 85'/86' Hayvenhurst sessions tbh.

I'd put my money on September 1988 for two reasons:

1. It was registered with the US Copyright Office on September 26, 1988, and has 1988 listed as the year of creation.
2. There was a two-week hiatus from the Bad tour in mid/late September 1988, and Michael spent some of that time at Westlake working on demos, including a piano/vocal take of "Earth Song."

 

[mj_frenzy]

AlwaysThere, do you know by any chance when Throwin' Your Life Away was recorded? I've heard people say February or September 1988.
That track sounds to me more like something from the 85'/86' Hayvenhurst sessions tbh.

I'd put my money on September 1988 for two reasons:

1. It was registered with the US Copyright Office on September 26, 1988, and has 1988 listed as the year of creation.
2. There was a two-week hiatus from the Bad tour in mid/late September 1988, and Michael spent some of that time at Westlake working on demos, including a piano/vocal take of "Earth Song."

‘Throwin' Your Life Away’ was not recorded in 1988.

‘Throwin' Your Life Away’ was already finished by the time the ‘BAD’ album came out in 1987.

It has been described by various sources as an outtake from the ‘BAD’ album (more specifically, the song was recorded during the early ‘BAD’ album recording sessions).

It did not make the ‘BAD’ album because they eventually found the song as not strong enough for inclusion on the album.

 

[dethorro]

I'd put my money on September 1988 for two reasons:

1. It was registered with the US Copyright Office on September 26, 1988, and has 1988 listed as the year of creation.
2. There was a two-week hiatus from the Bad tour in mid/late September 1988, and Michael spent some of that time at Westlake working on demos, including a piano/vocal take of "Earth Song."

I know that that Earth Song demo was recorded on September 20th 1988. So, the September 26th date makes perfect sense.
Thanks for the answer!

 

[AlwaysThere]

‘Throwin' Your Life Away’ was not recorded in 1988.

‘Throwin' Your Life Away’ was already finished by the time the ‘BAD’ album came out in 1987.

It has been described by various sources as an outtake from the ‘BAD’ album (more specifically, the song was recorded during the early ‘BAD’ album recording sessions).

It did not make the ‘BAD’ album because they eventually found the song as not strong enough for inclusion on the album.

Could you provide those sources? I may very well be wrong!

 

[ScreenOrigami]

Just an idea, but how about starting a Google Sheet for all songs, with all the recording & mixing dates and their respective sources, so it’s easier to figure out what makes sense because it has been confirmed by a credible source and where there are contradictions etc.? Everyone editing it could choose a different text-color. Could be a fun little community project.

 

[mj_frenzy]

Could you provide those sources? I may very well be wrong!

Hard-core fans who have access to some more information about that song have asserted that ‘Throwin' Your Life Away’ was recorded in the initial recording sessions (1985-1986) of the ‘BAD’ album.

These fans have described also ‘Throwin' Your Life Away’ as an outtake, which means that a finished version of it already existed before the album came out in 1987.

Australian author Damien Shields also has implied that ‘Throwin' Your Life Away’ is an outtake from the ‘BAD’ album (that was recorded around 1986) because he puts the song in the same category as the ‘Don't Be Messin' 'Round’ song which is also an outtake (recorded in 1986, as well) from that album.

 

[Electro]

Hard-core fans who have access to some more information about that song have asserted that ‘Throwin' Your Life Away’ was recorded in the initial recording sessions (1985-1986) of the ‘BAD’ album.

So hear-say you presented as fact.

These fans have described also ‘Throwin' Your Life Away’ as an outtake, which means that a finished version of it already existed before the album came out in 1987.

It depends on how one interprets and uses the word "outtake". You just called "Don't Be messin' Around" an outtake, but that clearly is just an early super rough demo. (Unless there actually is a finished version of it, that they keep hiding.)

 

[NatureCriminal7896]

1990

Oh. i wonder how the song sound like.

 

[Themidwestcowboy]

So hear-say you presented as fact.



It depends on how one interprets and uses the word "outtake". You just called "Don't Be messin' Around" an outtake, but that clearly is just an early super rough demo. (Unless there actually is a finished version of it, that they keep hiding.)

The way bruce swedien and other of MJ's collaborators talks about Messin Around makes me believe that there is another complete version of it. They have lauded it as being a masterpiece and a classic. Also there was some notes from the Dangerous Sessions in 91 one that read "Teddy, do overdubs on Messin Round"

 

[Fuzball]

Hard-core fans who have access to some more information about that song have asserted that ‘Throwin' Your Life Away’ was recorded in the initial recording sessions (1985-1986) of the ‘BAD’ album.

These fans have described also ‘Throwin' Your Life Away’ as an outtake, which means that a finished version of it already existed before the album came out in 1987.

Australian author Damien Shields also has implied that ‘Throwin' Your Life Away’ is an outtake from the ‘BAD’ album (that was recorded around 1986) because he puts the song in the same category as the ‘Don't Be Messin' 'Round’ song which is also an outtake (recorded in 1986, as well) from that album.

And? That still doesn't mean September 1988 is wrong. MJ could have reworked it during his BWT break, thus would indeed make 09/88 as the creation date of the deposited tape.

 

[Fuzball]

The way bruce swedien and other of MJ's collaborators talks about Messin Around makes me believe that there is another complete version of it. They have lauded it as being a masterpiece and a classic. Also there was some notes from the Dangerous Sessions in 91 one that read "Teddy, do overdubs on Messin Round"

I remember someone saying here DBMA was briefly reworked during history sessions. Probably it was also a candidate for Thriller25.

 

[dethorro]

The way bruce swedien and other of MJ's collaborators talks about Messin Around makes me believe that there is another complete version of it. They have lauded it as being a masterpiece and a classic. Also there was some notes from the Dangerous Sessions in 91 one that read "Teddy, do overdubs on Messin Round"

This is it, I believe:

So, it looks like Ghosts was written/recorded during the Dangerous sessions. (Edit: I just realised that the track may be Ghost Of Another Lover, not Ghosts).
Do we have any information on Call It Off and Verdict?
I find it funny how Michael wanted a better dance song than Janet's The Knowledge. :rofl: That one was one of his favourite Janet songs.

 

[Jackson Rules]

What does "MA & MJ duet" stand for on that note?

 

[dethorro]

What does "MA & MJ duet" stand for on that note?

Madonna and Michael Jackson.
Michael wanted to work with her on In The Closet.

 

[NatureCriminal7896]

Madonna and Michael Jackson.
Michael wanted to work with her on In The Closet.

That was before she made him mad.

 

[Themidwestcowboy]

This is it, I believe:

So, it looks like Ghosts was written/recorded during the Dangerous sessions. (Edit: I just realised that the track may be Ghost Of Another Lover, not Ghosts).
Do we have any information on Call It Off and Verdict?
I find it funny how Michael wanted a better dance song than Janet's The Knowledge. :rofl: That one was one of his favourite Janet songs.

Yes exactly. I would love to hear Best Of Joy from the Dangerous Era aswell

 

[Fuzball]

So, it looks like Ghosts was written/recorded during the Dangerous sessions. (Edit: I just realised that the track may be Ghost Of Another Lover, not Ghosts)..

Good point! When this sheet popped up when didn't even now about Ghost of Another Lover. To whom was MJ refering with "get lyrics from writer"? Buz Kohan maybe?



edit: btw, this is the backside of the sheet you've posted above

 

[dethorro]

Good point! When this sheet popped up when didn't even now about Ghost of Another Lover. To whom was MJ refering with "get lyrics from writer"? Buz Kohan maybe?

That's what I was wondering as well!

Really curious to hear They Don't Care About Us Dangerous era version. Thx for posting!

 

[Fuzball]

Really curious to hear They Don't Care About Us Dangerous era version. Thx for posting!

Bryan Loren said tdcau was a leftover from the bad sessions. A shame that such a version didn't end up on Bad25.

 

[Themidwestcowboy]

Bryan Loren said tdcau was a leftover from the bad sessions. A shame that such a version didn't end up on Bad25.

If I can recall correctly there was a drummer that said that he played a military drum type of beat for a song during the Bad sessions called Apocalypse Now. That could very well be an early version of TDCAU

 

[dethorro]

Bryan Loren said tdcau was a leftover from the bad sessions. A shame that such a version didn't end up on Bad25.

Did he? I've heard, from various sources, that the song's earliest demo was recorded in June 1989.

If I can recall correctly there was a drummer that said that he played a military drum type of beat for a song during the Bad sessions called Apocalypse Now. That could very well be an early version of TDCAU

I've heard of that one. It is possible, I guess.

 

[Fuzball]

If I can recall correctly there was a drummer that said that he played a military drum type of beat for a song during the Bad sessions called Apocalypse Now. That could very well be an early version of TDCAU

Correct, that was JR Robinson.

@dethorro: it is not known if the Bad era version has any (completely) recorded vocals

 

[JichaelMackson]

I remember when I first heard TDCAU it blew me away. It was my fave song for several years after that. It kinda got to the background again on my playlist. After 3 decades of listening to MJ I keep changing my favorites every couple of months. Last year I played the hell out of "heartbreaker" for example.

 

[AlwaysThere]

‘Don't Be Messin' 'Round’ song which is also an outtake (recorded in 1986, as well)

As per Joe Vogel and Matt Forger, "Don't Be Messin' 'Round" was recorded in late 1981/early 1982 for Thriller with engineer Brent Averill, then reworked in 1986-87 with Forger and Bill Bottrell. It was also brought back to the fold for Dangerous, HIStory, and in summer 2008 with Neff-U.

 

[Stefano MJS]

The song "Verdict" has a great introduction, it reminds me something similiar (but not the same) as the Monkey Business percussion intro and TJ intro. ; )

 

[AlwaysThere]

The song "Verdict" has a great introduction, it reminds me something similiar (but not the same) as the Monkey Business percussion intro and TJ intro. ; )

How complete is it, if you don't mind me asking?

 

[Stefano MJS]

How complete is it, if you don't mind me asking?

I'm not the one who heard the full song, but it sounds a way more complete beside the other kinda of stuffs.

 

[Victor]

The song "Verdict" has a great introduction, it reminds me something similiar (but not the same) as the Monkey Business percussion intro and TJ intro. ; )

I have that song in HQ!