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BAD25 | Charts & Sales History

bobmoo79 said:
Yes when t25 could have charted, it wasn't allowed. The same for mj's hits albums when he died. Billboard would not change the rules. However, just before the Beatles issued their catalogue on iTunes the rules suddenly changed. Coincidence?
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ugh god, that kind of stuff literally sickens me, it's outrageous beyond belief, The Beatles have long been the media/industry's favorite and elevated to a status far higher than their talent really deserves.
 
Korgnex said:
"Price Of Fame" and "Al Capone" do NOT sound terribly outdated, instead they sound fresh and have thrilling beats and chorus structures, things that get people's attention. These two songs COULD get massive airplay BUT they have not been commissioned as airplay singles IN TIME WITH THE RELEASE.
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There's no way in hell radio would give massive airplay to any artist over 40. This is a fact. Especially not to demos from the 80s. Remixes or updated versions may get some play, but not much. Even Madonna with the help of Nicki Minaj and the Superbowl was ignored at radio as usual. I think we should forget about radio at this point. It just isn't happening, sadly.
 
Wembley DVD starts as number 1 in Sweden
BAD25 album 14th
 
"BAD25" won't make the Top 10, as it seems. Sales are under 25k! :busted:

BILLBOARD:
Nielsen SoundScan Building Chart
Rank
LW
BB 200		ArtistTitle
1NEWP!nk"The Truth About Love"
2NEWVarious Artists"Cruel Summer"
3
NEWThe Killers"Battle Born"
41Dave Matthews Band"Away From the World"
52Little Big Town"Tornado"
6NEWCarly Rae Jepsen"Kiss"
7
NEWGrizzly Bear"Shields"
8NEWEaston Corbin"All Over the Road"
94The Avett Brothers"The Carpenter"
10NEWBand of Horses"Mirage Rock"
The Building Chart reflects the first four days (Monday through Thursday) of SoundScan's tracking week (which ends Sunday) as reported by six major merchants: iTunes, Trans World Entertainment, Best Buy, Starbucks, Target and Anderson Merchandisers. Billboard estimates that they make up about 85% of all U.S. album sales.


Paul Grein:
Coming Attractions: P!nk's The Truth About Love and Kanye West's GOOD Music compilation Cruel Summer and are locked in a tight race for #1 week. It looks like P!nk will come out on top, with sales in the 200K range. Look for Cruel Summer to sell about 170K. The Killers' Battle Born will probably debut at #3, with sales in the 110K range. Also eyeing top 10 debuts: Grizzly Bear's Shields (around 40K) and Carly Rae Jepsen Kiss (around 35K). Also due: Easton Corbin's All Over The Road (around 25K) Band Of Horses' Mirage Rock (around 25K), the 25th anniversary release of Michael Jackson's Bad, Big & Rich's Hillbilly Jedi, , Dwight Yoakam's 3 Pears and Aimee Mann's Charmer.
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Is there any possibility Billboard is not couting the Deluxe Collectors and Deluxe editions?! That'd be the only reasonable way to explain those lists from HDD and Soundscan.
 
I wonder if many fans bought their copy from the mj.com store? I'm sure those sales will be included in the final count, but it seems they won't be taken into account in the Billboard building chart, and maybe not in HDD's prediction either.
 
serendipity said:
There's no way in hell radio would give massive airplay to any artist over 40. This is a fact. Especially not to demos from the 80s. Remixes or updated versions may get some play, but not much. Even Madonna with the help of Nicki Minaj and the Superbowl was ignored at radio as usual. I think we should forget about radio at this point. It just isn't happening, sadly.
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Madonna new songs are crap.
 
Horakhty said:
"BAD25" won't make the Top 10, as it seems. Sales are under 25k! :busted:

BILLBOARD:
Nielsen SoundScan Building Chart
Rank
LW
BB 200		ArtistTitle
1NEWP!nk"The Truth About Love"
2NEWVarious Artists"Cruel Summer"
3
NEWThe Killers"Battle Born"
41Dave Matthews Band"Away From the World"
52Little Big Town"Tornado"
6NEWCarly Rae Jepsen"Kiss"
7
NEWGrizzly Bear"Shields"
8NEWEaston Corbin"All Over the Road"
94The Avett Brothers"The Carpenter"
10NEWBand of Horses"Mirage Rock"
The Building Chart reflects the first four days (Monday through Thursday) of SoundScan's tracking week (which ends Sunday) as reported by six major merchants: iTunes, Trans World Entertainment, Best Buy, Starbucks, Target and Anderson Merchandisers. Billboard estimates that they make up about 85% of all U.S. album sales.


Paul Grein:


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Unbelievable. What's up with US fans?
 
Horakhty said:
Is there any possibility Billboard is not couting the Deluxe Collectors and Deluxe editions?! That'd be the only reasonable way to explain those lists from HDD and Soundscan.
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Otherwise this makes no sense to me. 5,000 people bought IJCSLY, 45k bought Immortal... but less than 25k bought Bad25?
 
This is totally unrealistic. No one can tell me that twice as many people were interested in Immortal as in Bad 25. With all the promotion and everything. Unless distribution is totally messed up in the US and Bad 25 can hardly be found in stores. Or US fans are busy boycotting the Estate and supporting Randy and Janet. :smilerolleyes: Or if they don't count the sales of the boxset for some reason (but why wouldn't they?) Let's wait and see but this seems to me like some serious f*ck up on somebody's part (either those who are responsible for the distribution or on those who make these estimates).
 
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The final sales could be better than what's predicted now. The Billboard building chart only takes into account sales from certain stores ("The Building Chart reflects the first four days - - as reported by six major merchants: iTunes, Trans World Entertainment, Best Buy, Starbucks, Target and Anderson Merchandisers."). So, if I understand this correctly, if fans bought their copies from the mj.com store or Amazon, they wouldn't be reflected in the building chart. I don't know what sales HDD takes into account when they make their predictions, but it makes sense to me that they too only count sales reported by certain major stores. So it's possible that many of Bad25's sales are just not taken into account in these predictions.

Or maybe I'm totally wrong and the final sales will be disastrous. It just seems hard to believe that Bad25 would sell that much less than Immortal, even with the higher price. I don't know, I guess we'll just have to wait and see.
 
Bad25 must have sold more. its bigger than imortals 45,000...but less than 25,000 is HARD to believe.
 
Is there anyone we can contact to ask about this? 'Cause it seems crazy to me.
 
... maybe... after the first disappointed week, fans will wake up and be confronted with this PR catastrophe, and will buy BAD25 more than before.
Maybe MJ Estate and Sony will be scared of this... and will do something.

This is BAD25, that BAD era, tour, handsome MJ...., I can not believe how (mostly US) fans ignore it, simply unbelievable.
 
bobmoo79 said:
BAD won't be charting at thanksgiving. People will have forgotten it. It won't have longevity. I personally don't think this mess is a plan by the estate. It's cock up. They didn't get the documentary to the networks early enough for them to show it in time for the release schedule. Simple. That's also why it's being shown too late in other countries. If the estate wanted to capitalise on thanksgiving like you suggest, they would have released the album then. They didn't.
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Mark my words: sales will pick for Thanksgiving.

releasing it during the holidays wouldn't have made sense. That would have been 3 months AFTER the actual anniversary. And holiday season is too crowded, as we have witnessed with "Michael" & " Immrtal".

Spike finished the movie early August....more than a month before release. E ad screenings as early as mid july.

What do you mean by
"They didn't get the documentary to the networks early enough for the"? The ABC deal was announced WEEKS before release so your assumption does not hold. Thanksgiving is the best time for this. Ratings will be amazing. And I think that's how they wanted it
 
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FYI Billboard projections don't include, Amazon & MyPlay.
since Target & Walmart have low stock (our area Target was sold out), I am guessing bulk of sales will come from Myplay & Amazon.

we already know people aren't buying the album on iTunes ...maybe Best Buy & Target Sales are not significant enough for a decent chart preview for BAD 25

People saying there wasn't enough promo are wrong. I listed all the promo BAD 25 got...far more than Immortal & Michael COMBINED.

i do agree about distribution issues...The album should not have sold out on the first day.
 
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i bought from BestBuy. however, Bad25 was ordered massively through amazon and thoose sales should count
 
Billyjeanplxiv said:
Bad25 must have sold more. its bigger than imortals 45,000...but less than 25,000 is HARD to believe.
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I agree. In the last weeks- when you look at amazon - it was as i would think better than Immortal.
It's clear we have to look at the worldwide charts, but i pray that it will be sucessful. Michael deserves it !! !:praying

And i clearly dont want to read anything like "nobody cares 'bout bad25 "
 
Memefan said:
Mark my words: sales will pick for Thanksgiving.
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Well, if the prediction for less than 25k is correct then it can only pick up at Thanksgiving when Spike's docu is aired. The only way is up.

At the risk of maybe talking too soon (before final numbers are in for the first week):

Maybe we will have to accept that public interest in MJ has now dropped. It's not that surprising, neither it is tragic, though. Nor does it mean the world will forget Michael.

Naturally there was a surge in sales after Michael died. Everybody and their mother bought his albums once again, so this may contribute to the fact that not many are willing to buy Bad yet AGAIN, only three years on. A couple of demos and remixes may not be attractive enough for casual fans to buy this. And they can buy the DVD alone - which does not count into the sales of the album. (And my heart is really bleeding for this project, because it deserves more. A lot better release than Thriller 25 IMO, which was successful. People who ignore it are surely missing out, but what can we do?)

Since Michael died we had a number of projects: TII, the "Michael" album, Cirque, Immortal. Some successful (TII, Cirque), some are not so much ("Michael" album). But think about it: all these projects within only 3 years! Maybe it's too much for the general public. Add the Murray trial to that, the constant Jackson family drama in the media etc. - it's kind of natural if the general public feels they've had enough of Michael Jackson for a while now. Add to that that the fan community is divided, there are those who will boycott any post-death Michael release because of their dislike for the Estate/Sony.

This does not mean Michael's legacy is doomed or anything. It just means that the Estate may have to take it a bit slower from now on. At least with stuff marketed to the general public. For fans maybe they should think about the collectors' label suggested in this thread: http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/t...interested-in-an-official-MJ-collectors-label

But for the general public maybe one big release per 5 or even 10 years is enough. It's not like the Beatles or Elvis have big sellers out in every two years. You cannot keep that up for long in the case of artists who are not here any more. For a new release to be successful there must be anticipation built-up, you have to starve the public for it. Michael knew this when he was alive, that's why he released an album only every 4-5 years. Now that he is dead and there is not much new material the Estate can provide, maybe those starving periods need to last even longer. And wait for the right time to release stuff. Timing means a lot in the music business. There are times when there isn't too much interest and demand for a certain kind of music, but then a couple of years on the same music would sell like hot cakes.

Meanwhile the Estate could focus on the collectors' label for the fans. Without the pressure of having to sell big, without the need of big marketing, but still keeping the hard-core fans happy and occupied.
 
respect77 said:
Well, if the prediction for less than 25k is correct then it can only pick up at Thanksgiving when Spike's docu is aired. The only way is up.
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As far as I know there are NO projections for BAD..so where is the 25K coming from. Both HDD & BB had nothing listed.

i agree with the rest of your post...but imagine the scandal had the estate ignored BAD's 25th anniversary. We all know MJ's now famous drama kings/queens supporters would have asked for Branca & Sony's heads on 2 sticks.

I think minus the bumps & negative news coverage during the Summer...BAD 25 is great. I am not sure they could have done much more without taking big losses, which would be counter-productive with an estate still very much in debt.
 
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Memefan said:
As far as I know there are NO projections for BAD..so where is the 25K coming from. Both HDD & BB had nothing listed.

i agree with the rest of your post...but imagine the scandal had the estate ignored BAD's 25th anniversary. We all know MJ's now famous drama kings/queens supporters would have asked for Branca & Sony's heads on 2 sticks.

I think minus the bumps & negative news coverage during the Summer...BAD 25 is great. I am not sure they could have done much more without taking big losses, which would be counter-productive with an estate still very much in debt.
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The under 25k was coming from the fact that he was not listed in the Top 10 and Nr 10. sold something like 25k, so it must be under then. But you are right, that maybe only there weren't projections for Bad 25 for some reason. We will see and I certainly hope for better sales as I agree that it's a great release. It would be a shame if it'd get ignored by the public.

Of course, Bad 25th anniversary should not have been ignored. Though if it won't sell well the Estate will have to think about a different strategy for Dangerous 25th (if there would be any 25th anniversary celebration of Dangerous at all) and other future projects. And that's where the collectors label could come into the picture.
 
On trying to stay positive until we get some stats, maybe we should not forget that this is a re-release compared to all other albums in the forecasts - they are all new. Plus, the most anticipated thing about Bad 25 was the Wembley concert, moreso than the album itself, and that looks to be perfoming well - on Amazon at least. And yes, while we are hyped about the unreleased/incomplete demo tracks, will the casual/non fan have the same level of interest to purchase an album they may already have?
 
Rhilo said:
On trying to stay positive until we get some stats, maybe we should not forget that this is a re-release compared to all other albums in the forecasts - they are all new. Plus, the most anticipated thing about Bad 25 was the Wembley concert, moreso than the album itself, and that looks to be perfoming well - on Amazon at least. And yes, while we are hyped about the unreleased/incomplete demo tracks, will the casual/non fan have the same level of interest to purchase an album they may already have?
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If they want to sell records the only person who can make that happen is MJ. Release Price of Fame NOW with HQ footage of the bad tour. MJ paid the Price of Fame. Get it out there all over the radio. Follow with I'm so blue at thanksgiving. Finish it off after XMass with a AL Capone Smooth Criminal mix. Let get going estate now!
 
I've pretty much accepted that this release isn't something that the general public is all that interested in. That's fine and understandable, imo. Even though I think the release is great, you have to like the artist a lot to get excited about a few old demos. For the casual listener the price is probably just too high for a couple of demos.

Also, the original Bad album has sold an insane number of copies, which means a lot of people already have it. Fans will want to buy different editions of the same album, but the casual listener is unlikely to buy the same album twice. So, if the general public doesn't buy this and the sales are not amazing, it's not that shocking. It's a shame if people miss out on this great release, but it doesn't make me worry about Michael's legacy or anything.

What does worry me a little though is that if this sells really poorly, what does that say about Michael's current fan base? I think it's fair to say that this is a release that pretty much all fans want to buy. Or at least I haven't seen any angry boycott campaigns against this, and the fan reaction seems to be overwhelmingly positive. So if the sales are disappointing, doesn't that mean that Michael's fan base is dwindling? That to me is a far scarier thought than the general public just not being interested in this particular re-release.

But, yeah, I get that it's way too soon to be so pessimistic. The sales are probably decent enough in a few weeks, and there's nothing to worry about.

respect77 said:
But for the general public maybe one big release per 5 or even 10 years is enough. It's not like the Beatles or Elvis have big sellers out in every two years. You cannot keep that up for long in the case of artists who are not here any more. For a new release to be successful there must be anticipation built-up, you have to starve the public for it. Michael knew this when he was alive, that's why he released an album only every 4-5 years. Now that he is dead and there is not much new material the Estate can provide, maybe those starving periods need to last even longer. And wait for the right time to release stuff. Timing means a lot in the music business. There are times when there isn't too much interest and demand for a certain kind of music, but then a couple of years on the same music would sell like hot cakes.
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That's a really good point. I never really thought about it that way, but we've had more big releases now in the last 3 years than we had when Michael was still here. I'm not complaining about that, a lot of those projects have been really great and very successful. But maybe after Bad25 it would be a good idea to wait a little longer before the next big project. And a collectors label sounds like a great way to give fans something to look forward to and keep the fandom active, without the general public getting tired of him.
 
Sunwalker7 said:
What does worry me a little though is that if this sells really poorly, what does that say about Michael's current fan base? I think it's fair to say that this is a release that pretty much all fans want to buy. Or at least I haven't seen any angry boycott campaigns against this, and the fan reaction seems to be overwhelmingly positive. So if the sales are disappointing, doesn't that mean that Michael's fan base is dwindling? That to me is a far scarier thought than the general public just not being interested in this particular re-release.
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Yeah, that worries me too. This forum too is not as busy as it used to be, I have to say. So some fans certainly do feel that now that Michael is not here they need to move on with their lives. Still one would expect that even if not participating in forums on a daily basis or anything, they'd be still interested in releases like this.

On the other hand, how is it with other artists who are not here any more? It's not like, for example, a Queen forum is a crowded place: http://www.queenzone.com/forums/ or that their albums post the immediate surge after Freddie's death sell and chart mighty big: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen_discography

Even if you look at the Beatles: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Beatles_discography
Sure they have a renaissance since the mid 90s, but it needed time to build between their breakup/John Lennon's death and when the public re-discovered them in the 90s. There's a reason why Michael could buy their catalog relatively cheap in the 80s and it's value then multiplied. For example here is a Nr 1s compilation album by the Beatles from 1982: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/20_Greatest_Hits_(The_Beatles_album)
It was Nr 50 on the Billboard and Nr 10 in the UK albums chart. Whereas in 2000 "1" (another compilation of Nr 1 hits by the Beatles) sold like crazy and went to Nr 1 in most countries. So yeah: timing is everything.

So maybe it's just normal. Idk.
 
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^I would think so. Some, if not most of the bandwagon jumpers post Michael's passing, would have moved on by now...
 
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