[Updated] Full Initial List of Possible Witnesses for Katherine Jackson and AEG Live

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To me this seems like a "Let's try to scare big bad AEG with as many experts as possible and they will settle for sure". Most of those experts have nothing to do with the remaining claim anyway.

^^The bolded, that is what I feel too. Are these experts going to look at lungs, heart, documents, slides & claim that what they see is a direct result of AEG negligently hiring Muarry? This looks more like Muarry's trial & not even the trial had so many experts. All this money is being wasted in the hopes of winning millions, and the sad thing is that once the experts are paid, they have nothing to lose. I hope now that the judge has cut down the counts, she finds some of these experts irrelevant, or is it too late for that? Do experts get about 2 - 4 thousand?
 
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There are people out there who know how Michael felt about his family. How he supported them for years and yet they wanted more. There are interviews on video and print in Michael's own words. AEG should gather them all up and people close to MJ too. Bring the Cascio family in and ask them why Michael stayed with them for months when he had a family home he paid all the bills for.
AEG could put quite a presentation together that could embarrass the hell out of the Jackson's.

If the Jackson's have no shame about dragging Michael through the mud then I hope AEG throws dirt right back at em. And God knows when it comes to some of the Jackson's there are stories that will make most people blush.
 
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There are people out there who know how Michael felt about his family. How he supported them for years and yet they wanted more. There are interviews on video and print in Michael's own words. AEG should gather them all up and people close to MJ too. Bring the Cascio family in and ask them why Michael stayed with them for months when he had a family home he paid all the bills for.
AEG could put quite a presentation together that could embarrass the hell out of the Jackson's.

If the Jackson's have no shame about dragging Michael through the mud then I hope AEG throws dirt right back at em. And God knows when it comes to some of the Jackson's there are stories that will make most people blush.

I have not seen them throw dirt back yet. It seems that AEG is only interested in throwing dirt at Michael to show his drug problem did him in. The way I see it, and I may be wrong because the trial has not started, AEG through their lawyer, has already begun to claim that Michael would have died anyway. They mention he was a drug addict. I have not seen them making any damaging statements against the family, maybe because the members are alive. This is already showing me that AEG is going to fight the family by trashing Michael--something that the family is doing as well. It seems they are implying something like this:

we are not responsible, because this DA requested to have his doctor, who began treating him before rehearsals, & since he was a DA he requested drugs from his doctor, which we did not know about, and he died as a result of his doctor's treatment. All we requested from the doctor was his medical licenses in the US & England & once Michael signed we would have signed. Since Michael was the one who brought Muarry in, Michael negligently hired Muarry. We only accepted his choice & agreed to pay until the funds were recouped. Muarry is not an employee of AEG. Of course, it is natural that since we had an agreement with Michael that involved money, we reminded Muarry that he had to take care of his patient, when we saw Michael missed rehearsals due to illness.
 
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I doubt it will just be a week but a few weeks maybe? Which is scary to think about. Will this air on TV or will we have to suffer from having to get reports from the media? I hope fans can get in like they did the Criminal trial and report to us back.
 
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This is a civil trial so it's highly unlikely that it will be broadcast. Plus we don't have the documents yet but the case summary shows the below

03/07/2013 Order ( **DENIED** ON MEDIA REQUEST TO PERMIT COVERAGE )
Filed by Applicant

03/07/2013 Request (*DENIED* MEDIA REQUEST TO PHOTOGRAPH, RECORD, OR BROADCAST )
Filed by Applicant
 
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This is a civil trial so it's highly unlikely that it will be broadcast. Plus we don't have the documents yet but the case summary shows the below

03/07/2013 Order ( **DENIED** ON MEDIA REQUEST TO PERMIT COVERAGE )
Filed by Applicant

03/07/2013 Request (*DENIED* MEDIA REQUEST TO PHOTOGRAPH, RECORD, OR BROADCAST )
Filed by Applicant

well that REALLY stinks...not only will it not be televised but no pictures either. Ivy does that mean that a person cannot draw pics either such a a court artist.? How are we suppose to know what is going on without pictures or even audio. smh
 
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well let's wait to see the documents to know the details but the media will still be able to report it by attending it at person, taking notes and writing news stories and court artists can do the drawings. It'll be pretty much like the 2005 trial - minus transcripts.
 
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well let's wait to see the documents to know the details but the media will still be able to report it by attending it at person, taking notes and writing news stories and court artists can do the drawings. It'll be pretty much like the 2005 trial - minus transcripts.

so that means like the 2005 trial fans will be able to sit in on it and report updates back to us like they did then?...or is it a closed courtroom ....meaning media only?
 
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closed courtroom means no one other than the parties,witnesses, lawyers and judge and jury. media wouldn't be in a closed courtroom either.

if media can get in the courtroom so can the public.
 
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closed courtroom means no one other than the parties,witnesses, lawyers and judge and jury. media wouldn't be in a closed courtroom either.

if media can get in the courtroom so can the public.
oh ok...well...guess we will just have to wait and see. Thank you Ivy. :)
 
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The problem with relying on the media is that if they focus on one side of the case, like the 05 case, then we will not get an accurate picture of what is happening on a daily basis. They could also focus on the side that gives the most "juicy" evidence. I hope there are some ethical reporters who give the facts from both sides as they occur.
 
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There are people out there who know how Michael felt about his family. How he supported them for years and yet they wanted more. There are interviews on video and print in Michael's own words. AEG should gather them all up and people close to MJ too. Bring the Cascio family in and ask them why Michael stayed with them for months when he had a family home he paid all the bills for.
AEG could put quite a presentation together that could embarrass the hell out of the Jackson's.

If the Jackson's have no shame about dragging Michael through the mud then I hope AEG throws dirt right back at em. And God knows when it comes to some of the Jackson's there are stories that will make most people blush.

I would like to see on AEG's list of experts an expert in child abuse and its psychological and physical effects. Then present the whole litany of the child abuse that Michael experienced that is well-documented in his own words. He told Bashir about it, Oprah, those Glenda tapes, he wrote about it, he talked to Boteach about it--it is all over the place. That should put some shame into their shameless hearts. They need to have it in their faces--look what you did to him!
 
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Like I've said, why didn't Katherine consult all these experts when MJ was still here? wasn't she aware of his lupus and vitiligo and other emotional issues? wasn't she aware he had insomnia years ago? why not take the time and effort 15 years ago to get her son some expert help instead of watching him hook up with nutjobs like Klein who it seems everyone was suspicious of or Hoefflin who everyone was suspicious of for botching MJ's plastic surgery. She knew the doctors that MJ had and how he was still suffering, so why not get her son some real help? she can hire all these litany of attorneys and experts now but didn't care back when MJ needed help? He's gone now:no:.. He could've used these folks back in January 2009 when he signed on to do those shows under financial stress.
 
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There are people out there who know how Michael felt about his family. How he supported them for years and yet they wanted more. There are interviews on video and print in Michael's own words. AEG should gather them all up and people close to MJ too. Bring the Cascio family in and ask them why Michael stayed with them for months when he had a family home he paid all the bills for.
AEG could put quite a presentation together that could embarrass the hell out of the Jackson's.


If the Jackson's have no shame about dragging Michael through the mud then I hope AEG throws dirt right back at em. And God knows when it comes to some of the Jackson's there are stories that will make most people blush.

The BOLD part would be so :clap: and :punk: but then again...
It's just 'wishful' thinking cause AEG is a BIG :shutup: company that will ONLY claim it's all Michael and Murray's fault :blink:
We sure have drifted far, have we? :smilerolleyes:
 
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I have not seen them throw dirt back yet. It seems that AEG is only interested in throwing dirt at Michael to show his drug problem did him in. The way I see it, and I may be wrong because the trial has not started, AEG through their lawyer, has already begun to claim that Michael would have died anyway. They mention he was a drug addict. I have not seen them making any damaging statements against the family, maybe because the members are alive. This is already showing me that AEG is going to fight the family by trashing Michael.


I agree with AEG that they were not responsible for what happened to Michael. But didn't the autopsy report state for a fact that Michael's organs did not show that he was a drug addict? I really don't understand why the "addict" talk keeps coming up again and again when there is no real proof of it. Those people in the coronor's office know their business. I think the report is being totally ignored.
 
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Thank the jacksons for that
 
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I agree with AEG that they were not responsible for what happened to Michael. But didn't the autopsy report state for a fact fact that Michael's organs did not show that he was a drug addict? I really don't understand why the "addict" talk keeps coming up again and again when there is no real proof of it. Those people in the coronor's office know their business. I think the report is being totally ignored.

I know right ^^. Here we have a guy whose organs are in good condition, but being the King of Pop of course he has to be the only person on the planet who is an addict from the 80s with good organs. Go figure.... The problem is that Muarry's defense had to have a defense, so they went with the drug one. I remember I went to the first day of Muarry's trial, and returning in the car to the airport, the driver said words to the effect of "waw do you see how much drugs he had? He was an addict." This person was a fan, & he made those statements because of the defense opening statement about all the things they were going to prove, which of course they did not.
 
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If I could guarantee I would get a seat, I would try to fly down for some days & tape the testimony. Then, maybe a group of us could take it in turn so that each day one of us is there to tape everything. However, I can't go if all the media take up all the seats & I have to fight to get in. It's a pity...

Ivy how much is it for a day's transcript again. I know we discussed the fees during the last trial. I was thinking if it is only in the low hundreds I could buy it and then we put it in a secret place. I don't like the idea of relying on the media for a true picture of this trial since it is going to have a lot of Michael trashing in it, based on what we have seen so far.

Oops sorry for double post.
 
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well let's wait to see the documents to know the details but the media will still be able to report it by attending it at person, taking notes and writing news stories and court artists can do the drawings. It'll be pretty much like the 2005 trial - minus transcripts.

Do you know if it will be possible to buy the transcript after the trial?
 
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Note : This is just an expert witness list. Expert witnesses are people with certain skills and education and knowledge and they are hired / paid to testify in regard to their area of expertise. This list doesn't include the other regular witnesses.

Based on a recent filing it seems AEG and Katherine Jackson is having disagreements about when to depose possible experts for Katherine Jackson's side.

I decided to post a list of the names of the experts for Katherine Jackson's side.

Please keep in mind that it doesn't mean all of these experts will be called to testify.

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23 Retained experts - Katherine's lawyers are saying 4 of these will not be called as witness.(which 4 is unclear)

Cardiologist

Alon Steinberg, MD

Cardiologist. Testified at Murray criminal trial.

Daniel Wohlgelernter, MD

Interventional Cardiology, Clinical & Preventive Cardiology

Anesthesiologist

Barry N. Swerdlow, MD

Anesthesia and Pain Medicine, Thousand Oaks, CA. 30 yrs exp

Medical School: Harvard Medical School

Emery Neal Brown , MD

Dr. Emery Neal Brown is a professor of anesthesiology at Harvard Medical School, a professor of computational neuroscience at M.I.T. and a practicing physician, seeing patients at Massachusetts General Hospital.

Hendrikus J.M. Lemmens, PhD

Professor of Anesthesia at Stanford University Medical Center


Addiction

Sidney Schnoll, MD

Sidney H. Schnoll, M.D., Ph.D. is an internationally recognized expert in addiction and pain management who applies his experience of over 30 years in academic medicine to the issues of risk management

Myer B. Shimelman. MD

Psychiatrist in Connecticut 46 yrs experience

Tour expert

Richard Barnet, PhD

Richard D. Barnet, professor of recording industry and former chair at Middle Tennessee State University, near Nashville, is co-author of This Business of Concert Promotion and Touring (Billboard Books, 2007).

David Berman


Mark Goldstein

Mark Goldstein until August 2004 was senior vice president, Business and Legal Affairs at Warner Bros Records Inc., when he retired to continue his full-time teaching at USC together with his work as a consultant in the entertainment industry.

Hiring practices / HR expert

Barry J. Nadell

Expert Witness / Consultant where background screening is an issue. Also a private investigator

Jean L. Seawright, CMC

management consultant since 1987, provided professional HR consultation services and advice to business owners

Forensic document expert

Lloyd W. Cunningham

Document examiner, handwriting expert.

Albert H Lyter III

Engaged in consultation, examination, training, research and testimony in Forensic Science, including ink and paper analysis, trace evidence and questioned document examination.

Howard C. Rile Jr.

Howard Rile has qualified and testified as an expert witness in document examination in more than 500 cases involving criminal and civil matters in federal and/or state courts in California, Arizona, Colorado, Nevada, Hawaii, Kansas, New York, and Wyoming.

Corporate Governance

David Lewin, PhD

David Lewin, Ph. D., is the Neil H. Jacoby Professor of Management, Human Resources and Organizational Behavior at the UCLA Anderson School of Management. A specialist in human resource management and industrial relations.

Joseph K. Tanimura, PhD

Joseph K. Tanimura, Ph.D., J.D., has consulted on matters involving antitrust liability and damages, commercial damages, corporate valuation, securities markets, intellectual property, and public policy. He was formerly an assistant professor of finance at San Diego State University and a managing economist for LECG, LLC. His litigation consulting experience spans a number of industries, including agriculture, automobile parts, consumer electronics, private equity, and real estate.


Expertise Unspecified

Gordon Matheson, MD

Sports injuries; rehabilitation; stress fractures; overuse injuries; exercise and health; human performance; pre-participation evaluation.

Charles A. Czeisler, MD

Harvard Medical School. He's an expert in sleep medicine.

Daniel J. Wallace, MD

Wallace is a rheumatologist. Rheumatologist acts as an expert witness in all aspects of autoimmune disease, arthritis, rheumatic diseases. Lupus expert.

Arthur Erk , CPA

Erk's field is royalty and royalty administration. Among the areas Erk specializes in are tour accounting for touring groups, and royalty audits and administration for music publishers, writers, producers, actors, and record and film companies

Peter Formuzis, PhD

Formuzis is a professor of economics at Cal State Fullerton. He has provided expert testimony in court litigation, specializing in projecting future earnings.

Frederic Askin, MD

Dr. Frederic Askin is a pathologist at Johns Hopkins Hospital. Lupus expert


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Additional names on the non retained experts list.

Lepor

Levounis

Roesler

Briggs

Earley

Lacovino

Dicke

Sang

Ackerman

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According the the schedule plans AEG is at least trying to have the experts in the following areas

sports medicine, forensic pathologist, forensic document expert, tour expert, film expert.


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Katherine really must be very confident that you will win this case.
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:nono: I doubt it. -_- I see all this as: "anything to make extra money..." and as always, using Michael. Just sad.... *big sigh*
 
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I found that about Wallace

***Update: 7/1/09

The following message from Lupus expert Daniel Wallace was forwarded to us today:
Dear Colleagues: I can confirm that Michael Jackson had vitiligo and discoid (chronic cutaneous lupus) and never had systemic disease that played any role in his passing. I am concerned that some commentators are relating that a background of abuse has anything to do with lupus. There has never been a peer reviewed published article that specifically has shown this in lupus. Thanks Dan Wallace MD
Clinical Professor of Medicine Cedars-Sinai Medical Center/David Geffen School of Medicine at UCLA

http://cure4lupus.org/store/index.php?main_page=page&id=208&chapter=2
 
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unless he treated mj how would he know what he had and frankly if he did treat him hes breaking laws by discussing it. seems to be another who thought mj was a junkie but dont blame the lupus for it if im reading the quote right
 
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^^Well I think Wallace is being right here. He is saying Michael had XYZ & some commentators were making conclusions about drugs & Michael's condition, & he is setting the record straight that there is no evidence of such a thing happening. He is right. These reporters tend to pull different unrelated things together & try to link them as one causing the other, & people buy it. Wallace is not saying Michael had a background of abuse here, but simply correcting foolish statements by the media.

Another good thing about his comment is that he claims Michael's medical condition did not play a role in his death, so that would limit Muarry's defense & we know his death was a result of someone's else conduct.
 
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unless he treated mj how would he know what he had and frankly if he did treat him hes breaking laws by discussing it. seems to be another who thought mj was a junkie but dont blame the lupus for it if im reading the quote right

I don't know if he treated MJ but he and Klein were both working at the Cedar Sinai Medical Center.
 
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For the questions about transcripts and attendance

It is too early to say whether there will be any limitations to public attendance and/ or if the court will be a closed court due to medical information involved.

if the court is open to public, there would be transcripts and there would probably be a selection to determine who will enter the courtroom.

I don't think you can record the audio of the proceedings, I believe - and I can be wrong - it's illegal to record without permission from the judge. It seems like judge has denied the request to - photograph, record, broadcast.

As for the transcripts, if the courtroom is open to public, there will be transcripts but they won't be cheap. I cannot give an exact price for them. The court reporter can only give that information. but here's a little bit info about the fees

http://www.courtreportersboard.ca.gov/lawsregs/fees_protems.pdf

I would expect daily testimonies could range from $150 to $250.

but like I said only the assigned court reporter can give the exact cost number.



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edited to add: I emailed sprocket to ask if she will cover it.
 
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sprocket says she won't cover it as she's main interest is the criminal trials and she doesn't cover civil trials.
 
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I would expect daily testimonies could range from $150 to $250.

but like I said only the assigned court reporter can give the exact cost number.



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Ivy if the costs is around 250 per day, and the trial does not go too long. I will be able to buy each day's transcripts so we will have the exact testimony to discuss. I could by it in the evening and then we have it the next day for discussion. I really do not want to rely on the media's accounts. What is a sprocket by the way.

Hopefully if all these experts are whittled down some more, the trial should not be too long? If the trial is getting too long, then I will buy the transcripts for days when the key players are testifying, e.g., Randy, any Jackson, Muarry if he takes the stand, grandma if she takes the stand.
 
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One problem I see with all these expert witnesses is that there is not one iota of factual documentation (emails, conversations, letters, contracts, etc.) indicating that AEG execs had any knowledge at all, that Murray was giving Michael propofol. Even if it can be somehow proven that AEG was Murray's "employer," they would not be expected to know specifics of Murray's "treatment" of Michael. Therefore, several of those experts seem irrelevant? It seems that all AEG execs could reasonably be expected to know (IF it's found that they were the "employers") is what would be conventionally available in a background check of Murray, i.e. any negative reports about his medical practice (there was ONE, that we know of, for "patient abandonment"), and, possibly, about his financial irresponsibility, i.e. home in foreclosure, and failures to pay child-support. So, many of those experts seem like cooked spaghetti thrown at a wall, just to see which, of any of them, will stick?
 
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^^Autumn it seems they think that having several experts with give the case more validity. I agree with you because I do not see how these experts will link their evidence to negligent hiring. I could understand the HR person saying this is the step for hiring an employee, but AEG was not Muarry's employer and they still have to overcome the hurdle of Michael insisting on this guy. Then AEG could show that several other workers were brought in by Michael as well, like Karen. Then they can show the protocol they used to accept Karen was the same protocol they used to accept Muarry, except muarry needed to have his licenses. In fact, didn't we see Michael at the auditions & he was saying who he wanted, so Michael played a key role in the composition of the staff. Is the family going to sue Michael too?
 
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