I really like the song too.After hearing this amazing song for the first time before the release of the album, I was amazed. Heartbreaker is a true Michael Jackson track at his finest.
IKR!Michael a pioneer? no way!
Should've been a single (as a number of Invincible tracks... Threatened, Speechless, Unbreakable, Whatever Happens...)
@smoothgangsta
Wrong!
Not for the first, or last time, I would bet my house.
I know it can be grim up there in Glasgow but good god, do you have to drag everything down at the first opportunity? Do you even know what dubstep is?
mj_frenzy;4193450 said:In fact ‘Heartbreaker’ is dubstep.
It unintentionally became in the end dubstep, while MJ & Rodney Jerkins were experimenting on new things back then.
“If you go back to even year 2001 when I worked on a project with Michael Jackson called ‘Invincible’ and there was a song we did on that project called ‘Heartbreaker’ and we were doing dubstep back then. And we ain’t even known what we were doing. If you listen to it now you’ll go ‘Wow!’ that’s dubstep. We were just trying things, not even knowing” (Rodney Jerkins)
I must confess that ‘Heartbreaker’ came a shock to me when I listened to it for the very first time.
I still consider it one of the album’s proudest moments.
In fact ‘Heartbreaker’ is dubstep.
It unintentionally became in the end dubstep, while MJ & Rodney Jerkins were experimenting on new things back then.
“If you go back to even year 2001 when I worked on a project with Michael Jackson called ‘Invincible’ and there was a song we did on that project called ‘Heartbreaker’ and we were doing dubstep back then. And we ain’t even known what we were doing. If you listen to it now you’ll go ‘Wow!’ that’s dubstep. We were just trying things, not even knowing” (Rodney Jerkins)
Interesting quote... where/when did Rodney say that? Love to see the whole interview!
Rodney Jerkins said that in the 114th episode of Pensado's Place (2013).
This is the only Michael Jackson related quote from that whole interview.
Do I really need to say when something is my opinion every time I comment on this bloody forum? Fine, IMO invincible sounds very dated, it sounds like something from 2001 trying to be futuristic, it doesn't work. I'm talking generally, obviously. There are some tracks I like but when talking about the album in general that's how I feel. I don't drag stuff down at every opportunity, when I have something positive to say I say it, I'm not just gonna start commenting the opposite of how I feel just to please you. Although I know you like arguing and talking down to people who disagree with you, so go right ahead.
Please...
Besides amateurish remixes on YouTube, there is nothing Dubstep in any of Michaels songs.
Heartbreaker has more of the typical Timbaland production style of that time (which was inspired by all sorts of underground style flavours like Garage, 2Step etc). I always liked Heartbreaker for that, but it wasn't pioneering anything.
In fact Michaels music styles as a whole never pioneered anything. He didn't invent the Motown Sound, Disco, Rock, Pop, Soul, R'n'B... he just made damn great songs in many different styles. Some songs maybe brought certains things to a bigger audience (like New Jack Swing), but especially after Dangerous, he was always way behind music production trends. Might be harder to see that though for people who always only followed the mainstream charts (which usually is the dead end of innovation).
Really nice piece of choreography here to 'Heartbreaker'.I really like the song too.
IKR!
Who would have thought!:lol:
Really tho, it's a great dubstep dance song that was definitely ahead of its time.:yes:
Here's a video of some dancers doing choreo to it.
The video is from just last year.
There's more recent videos of people dancing to it too.
I'll post them a bit later.:yes: