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    Default The "Leaving Neverland" Rant & Support Thread [Merged]

    Sorry if this is an unnecessary or inappropriate post! I know so many of us have strong feelings over the recent public fallout, and I imagine we have long-winded rants that we don't want to clutter the main Leaving Neverland thread with. I figured we could use a place to air our grievances out, and possibly offer some support to those of us who are at the end of our rope.

    I'll start us off. Long-winded rant incoming!

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    On March 5, the entirety of Leaving Neverland will have been unveiled to the American public, at which point I'm anticipating a public backlash the likes of which we've never seen before.

    Considering the cultural movement initiated by Surviving R. Kelly, I'm expecting a #MuteMichaelJackson movement that might succeed if streaming services cave; withdrawals of anything with Michael's name, including awards and monuments; and a general push to erase his legacy and dismiss him as a pedophile.

    Perhaps this is drastic and presumptive, but it's something that we need to consider. We're running out of time.

    Over the past month or so fans have been working to expose the truth. There are countless Twitter accounts that post several times a day, there are YouTube videos, there are fan demonstrations... everyone is stepping forward to speak out.

    For a few weeks I was silently putting together what I considered to be the antithesis of MJ Facts -- a website presented in a question/answer format that addressed the various accusations and claims made against Michael, complete with court transcripts and legal filings. I even reached out to a couple noteworthy names and asked for their involvement.

    But honestly? I don't know what good we're doing.

    I feel as though we're screaming into the void. Our efforts seem to be doing very little to sway the general public, many of whom (at least in the circles I run in) don't want to make any judgment calls until they watch the documentary. And considering the reaction to the aforementioned R. Kelly docu-series, I have my doubts that people will walk away thinking anything other than, "He was guilty."

    It's been taboo to be a Michael Jackson fan for years, but never more so than right now. All of our efforts are being dismissed as ramblings from the "MJ cult," especially in the shadow of people still blindingly defending R. Kelly.

    And I'm running out of enthusiasm. I used to proudly defend Michael and talk highly of him to anyone who asked; now I dread hearing his name because I know where the conversation will go. I used to readily jump into debates if someone was spreading bullshit about Michael; now I just block the posts and carry on with my day.

    It's not guilt so much as exhaustion. It's tiring having to repeat the same old talking points. It's tiring having to listen to people insist that they know more about the case or the law than the people who were embroiled in it. It's tiring having to be called a pedophile apologist or a crazed and blind fan. It's tiring to do this.

    I am who I am because of Michael Jackson. He made me listen to music differently. He made me look at dancing, performing, songwriting, and producing differently. He encouraged me to take vocal lessons, to start doing community theater, to begin singing, to pursue a career as a performer, to begin working as an independent recording engineer. He facilitated my passion for music, and I truthfully owe everything to him.

    And watching this happen to him hurts. I know it's silly to care so much about someone you've never met, but he means a ton to me. And I know so many of you feel the same. And I just don't know what to say or do.

    I'm fighting, but I'm getting tired. I don't know how much more I can take.

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    Default Re: The "Leaving Neverland" Rant & Support Thread

    I posted this in the Sundance thread but thought I'll post this here too for those of you who feel tired, frustrated or defeated, Remember...NO ONE can cancel or mute MJ out of your life. NO ONE. Only you can. And remember YOU ARE NOT ALONE...there are MILLIONS of us. A MILLION little droplets of love around the world who refuse to let these crooks win....and together we will create an OCEAN of love. So when ever you feel like "they" are winning....remember that ONLY you could ever cancel MJ, no one else. And as long as you refuse, he will live on.


    "I had a bit of an "epiphany" today while walking outside. You see....like I have said before....since we keep googling MJ's name several times a day and ACTIVELY TRY to find out what is being said about him.....it seems that the "anti-MJ mob" is everywhere and it is SOOOO bad and that MJ is basically already "cancelled". Well....when I was walking outside, the sun was shining and I wasn't looking at any news on my phone...and guess what....MJ was as strong as ever. And people can try....but no one is ever going to cancel MJ out of my life. Especially not all these crooks, frauds and gold diggers and other sick, vile people who try to destroy him for their own gain and for their 15 minutes of fame. To me, they are just background noise. White noise. And if I don't actively look for it on my phone or google MJ news....I don't see it. They don't exist. Let's not forget there are MILLIONS of us around the world. The documentary will air...so let it air....and then after a few weeks it will be forgotten. Who will still be there? All of us. And life will go on. Don't let that work of fiction stress you out. Keep playing your MJ music, keep talking about MJ just like before like nothing happened...and if anyone says anything derogatory....cancel THEM. Just like these media people only keep telling us to "WATCH THE FILM!!" as their mantra when we keep telling them facts...turn it around and just say "GO READ SOME FACTS!!!" if anyone tries to bash MJ in your presence. And then walk away. They can try cancel MJ, but as long as we refuse and as long as we keep demanding him and his music and refuse to let this affect us...they ain't got a chance. As I said...in MY LIFE he will not be cancelled. And all I have to do is not google his name on google news and none of this is happening. Which comes to my next point....MOST PEOPLE don't actively google MJ news. As someone already mentioned. The tabloids are FULL of lies about him...CONSTANTLY....and yes, there has been some articles in non-tabloids too....but people are SO USED to reading lies and bizarre stories about MJ that even non-fans can't take them seriously and are tired of it. They aren't interested in it. Even I got tired of going through the same shit on google news....I don't even read the titles anymore...I just go "tabloid...tabloid...tabloid....nope...nope...nope. ..." I just look at WHO actually is even writing it before I even bother to read the headline. And if I see it's one of those who have been posting nothing but lies...I don't even read the headline because I can't be bothered. As I said...it has become "white noise". And a lot of people are already tired of the constant MJ bashing.Even those who say "Maybe he was guilty" go...just let him finally rest, the guy's been DEAD for 10 years!!!

    So....don't let the whole thing stress you and rememebr that the only one who can "cancel" or "mute" MJ out of your life is you. No one else. And as long as you don't mute or cancel MJ....no one can. And if us together as MILLIONS of fans around the world refuse to mute or cancel MJ.....the crooks won't succeed.

    Keep posting facts because those little nuggets of information that expose these crooks will slowly shift through and will start to grow. Think of it all as a little seed that will grow into a giving tree.....and on top of that tree, once we water and tend to the tree and let it grow....will be MJ, sitting at his favorite place....calm and serene....looking down on us and smiling.


    Keep Michaeling. "
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    "I am forever....we are forever"....

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    Default Re: The "Leaving Neverland" Rant & Support Thread

    Don't feel down... This could be a good thing in the sense that mj fans know what they now have to fight for... Now we know what MJ was going through since the 80s.

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    Default Re: The "Leaving Neverland" Rant & Support Thread

    Now MJ fans can unite as we have something to fight for...

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    I would argue that the worst time to be an MJ fan was 2003-2005. Because then, literally EVERYONE was against Michael. He had no support from anybody, other than his fans. Comedians dedicated their entire routines to MJ jokes, the media reported downright false information about the case. We didn't have social media to communicate easily with other fans around the world, and us MJ fans were seen by the general public as the lowest of the low.

    At least now, we have more skepticism towards the claims. Even people who aren't Michael Jackson fans are saying "it just seems like wade and Jimmy are after money from the estate."

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    Quote Originally Posted by fraroc04 View Post
    I would argue that the worst time to be an MJ fan was 2003-2005. Because then, literally EVERYONE was against Michael. He had no support from anybody, other than his fans. Comedians dedicated their entire routines to MJ jokes, the media reported downright false information about the case. We didn't have social media to communicate easily with other fans around the world, and us MJ fans were seen by the general public as the lowest of the low.

    At least now, we have more skepticism towards the claims. Even people who aren't Michael Jackson fans are saying "it just seems like wade and Jimmy are after money from the estate."
    I completely agree.

    I went out last night to a ballet production. On the long drive into the city and back home again, I heard Michael's music on the radio. Not just once, but three different times. Nothing can stop Michael and nothing can stop us from loving him. He is always in our heads and in our hearts, no matter what is going on in the world. As a member upthread said...it is WHITE NOISE. We have our MJ shirts, we have our memorabilia and our memories. We have MJ's music and his concerts. That's where he is....within us and all around us. Michael will overcome and we will overcome, just as we have done already, so many times before.


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    Quote Originally Posted by fraroc04 View Post
    I would argue that the worst time to be an MJ fan was 2003-2005. Because then, literally EVERYONE was against Michael. He had no support from anybody, other than his fans. Comedians dedicated their entire routines to MJ jokes, the media reported downright false information about the case. We didn't have social media to communicate easily with other fans around the world, and us MJ fans were seen by the general public as the lowest of the low.

    At least now, we have more skepticism towards the claims. Even people who aren't Michael Jackson fans are saying "it just seems like wade and Jimmy are after money from the estate."
    I agree 2003-2005 was a nightmare. It was so bad that MJ bashing was in multiple movies (Click with Adam Sandler, Scary Movie 3 and 4, etc), he was mocked in Eminems song Just Lose It, he was the laughing stock of every single late night show, the general public was mostly against him. That was the worst moment to be a MJ fan.

    What worries me about this situation is that this doc will be the FIRST time the public can actually put a face to the name. Instead of just a complicated court case with a random accuser, now the public will be sharing vids online of these two boys telling their story. The public will have compassion and feel sorry for them. Thats VERY powerful and will make things just as bad in my opinion as they were back in 03-05. We are heading right back to those dark times unfortunately. There is no easy way to say it.... but March will be the worst month for us fans in almost 14 years. The world will be against him. I think some radio stations will ban his music, it will ignite a massive public debate, to the point where people won't want to be seen listening to Michael's music for the fear of getting into a big debate. It will become a taboo topic like religion or politics. I hope after a few years things will heal.... but who knows. Im also feeling sick to my stomach with what's going on.

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    Default Re: The "Leaving Neverland" Rant & Support Thread

    im concered that js usic will be shut off is there any way the estate can stop this nonesense?

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    Default Re: The "Leaving Neverland" Rant & Support Thread

    Just a note, did anyone see the snippets of "Leaving Neverland", with MJ talking?
    Did you notice the dark filters on the picture, and unsettling music?

    It's the same used, on the Martin Bashit doc, and laughable the makers stoop to this level to try to make a unfounded point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fraroc04 View Post
    I would argue that the worst time to be an MJ fan was 2003-2005. Because then, literally EVERYONE was against Michael. He had no support from anybody, other than his fans. Comedians dedicated their entire routines to MJ jokes, the media reported downright false information about the case. We didn't have social media to communicate easily with other fans around the world, and us MJ fans were seen by the general public as the lowest of the low.

    At least now, we have more skepticism towards the claims. Even people who aren't Michael Jackson fans are saying "it just seems like wade and Jimmy are after money from the estate."
    But Michael had a chance to prove he was not guilty for those charges. Now he's gone there can be no case to prove or disprove it. So it will just hang in the air and people will believe what they want or what they are led to believe.
    A lot of people will believe it, especially with the whole #MeToo atmosphere of just believing accusers, and throwing away innocent until proven guilty.
    Also since Wade was connected to the first trial as a defence witness, for some people it could put into doubt the verdict of that trial, even though it was not because of Wade that MJ was proven not guilty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by travis3000 View Post
    I agree 2003-2005 was a nightmare. It was so bad that MJ bashing was in multiple movies (Click with Adam Sandler, Scary Movie 3 and 4, etc), he was mocked in Eminems song Just Lose It, he was the laughing stock of every single late night show, the general public was mostly against him. That was the worst moment to be a MJ fan.

    What worries me about this situation is that this doc will be the FIRST time the public can actually put a face to the name. Instead of just a complicated court case with a random accuser, now the public will be sharing vids online of these two boys telling their story. The public will have compassion and feel sorry for them. Thats VERY powerful and will make things just as bad in my opinion as they were back in 03-05. We are heading right back to those dark times unfortunately. There is no easy way to say it.... but March will be the worst month for us fans in almost 14 years. The world will be against him. I think some radio stations will ban his music, it will ignite a massive public debate, to the point where people won't want to be seen listening to Michael's music for the fear of getting into a big debate. It will become a taboo topic like religion or politics. I hope after a few years things will heal.... but who knows. Im also feeling sick to my stomach with what's going on.
    From what I've seen on YouTube though, not a lot of people seem to be buying it this time around (tee hee mj pun). The LN trailer has far more dislikes than likes, people who aren't mj fans are saying that this is all for money, Adrian McManus is getting ripped to shreds in the comments.

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    Default Re: The "Leaving Neverland" Rant & Support Thread

    Great idea for a thread, I was thinking of opening something similar so thanks!

    Can we please keep this thread just for support/rants only? I don't want there to be 2 threads running alongside each other discussing the same things. Think of it as an outlet away from the cold hard facts of what's going on.

    Thanks!
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    Thank you for this thread, I feel the exact same way. I know t's tough but it is our duty to keep fighting for Michael's name and his well earned legacy.

    AlwaysThere you are not alone (pun intended) you're one of my many members on this forum who are well researched and think before you post. We need fans like you right now more than ever. So stay strong brother

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    ........... Some do not understand how triggering it is to call the person (Michael Jackson) that was the mental and emotional escape from our own abuse - an abuser.. Especially when it's clear through legal documentation that he was NOT that.
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    I looked through the TV Guide website for my hometown’s Eastlink Cable Systems and I looked through HBO Canada and it’s indeed airing “Leaving Neverland” simultaneously and I’m very steamed about it. But luckily I can still able to contact CBSC and make a complaint about the film being aired.
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