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Is this still the top thread? I find that really awkward, and I'm sure many other fans find that awkward. I'm sure if Michael came into this board to take a peep, he'd love to see his fans talk about his finacial issues :flowers:
 
lilseanb said:
Love it or Hate it Michael is in Financial difficulties...the fact he is constantly having to refinance loans shows this. Mike needs to get his ass on tour if he wants to pay off these debts.

As for Neverland, I think its about time Michael let it be. I think he should pay the debt on it and then sell it himself or do somthing new to it. Neverland is bad news in the public consciousness in releation to Michael...if he wants to move forward , neverland must go but on Michaels terms
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love it or hate it
but '
Just because you read it in a magazine
Or see it on the TV screen
Don't make it factual'
('Tabloid Junkie')
 
It's Time That I Realize
That There Are Some With No
Home, Not A Nickel To Loan

 
lilseanb said:
Love it or Hate it Michael is in Financial difficulties...the fact he is constantly having to refinance loans shows this. Mike needs to get his ass on tour if he wants to pay off these debts.

As for Neverland, I think its about time Michael let it be. I think he should pay the debt on it and then sell it himself or do somthing new to it. Neverland is bad news in the public consciousness in releation to Michael...if he wants to move forward , neverland must go but on Michaels terms
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No offense, but Michael doesn't NEED to do anything. You think MJ is the only rich person in the world, who carries debt? If he WANTS to go on tour, then he will go on tour.

"Neverland is bad news in the public consciousness", who gives a CRAP about the Public's consciousness. If we all lived just to satisfy the next man, we would be a bunch of walking clones. I definitely ain't down with that!
 
Lol. Nineteen people are on this page. This is a bigger travesty than the rumors (true or not).
 
cinderella said:
love it or hate it
but '
Just because you read it in a magazine
Or see it on the TV screen
Don't make it factual'
('Tabloid Junkie')
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And

Why is it i can't do whatever i want to
When it's my personal life and I don't live for you
So don't you try and tell me what is right for me
 
elusive moonwalker said:
not nescess. ppl refinance all the time because better deals come along. if u have a sort term deal you would be daft not to shop around
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A lot of people who are making comments have no knowledge how rich people handle their money. They think that they keep cash in the bank. Rich people do not keep their money in cash, They hold their money in stocks and shares, bonds and in property. In other words, they invest their money. When they need a large sum of money they use their assets to secure loans from the bank. This is exactly what MJ is doing. The only touble is that fatface is trying to use it to make a name for himself.:)
 
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Datsymay said:
A lot of people who are making comments have no knowledge how rich people handle their money. They think that they keep cash in the bank. Rich people do not keep their money in cash, They hold their money in stocks and shares, bonds and in property. In other words, they invest their money. Whein they need a large sim of money they use their assets to secure loans from the bank. This is exactly what MJ is doing. The only touble is that fatface is trying to use it to make a name for himself.:)
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EXACTLY! MJ ain't doing nothing new. LOL! Rich people never use their own money to pay for anything. They are all basically asset rich and cash poor, that's the way it works.

When they are working on a new deal, they don't use their own money, that's when they seek INVESTORS!
 
Big Apple2 said:
EXACTLY! MJ ain't doing nothing new. LOL! Rich people never use their own money to pay for anything. They are all basically asset rich and cash poor, that's the way it works.

When they are working on a new deal, they don't use their own money, that's when they seek INVESTORS!
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That's about it. I was at a business seminar where they talked about how to make money by investing and they tell you that you NEVER use your own money, but make the bank and credit card work for you. That is how money is made. I would bet my last dollar that MJ did not buy that catalogue with his own money. He would have borrowed money from the bank to do that. It is rather like buying a house, you borrow from the bank.
 
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In other words, they invest their money. When they need a large sum of money they use their assets to secure loans from the bank. This is exactly what MJ is doing. T
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yeah thats true but obviously theres issues.you dont get to the point of defaulting for several months and having auction dates set if its normal business.
 
elusive moonwalker said:
yeah thats true but obviously theres issues.you dont get to the point of defaulting for several months and having auction dates set if its normal business.
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Yes, you can. Business people are often very bad at paying bills.That is also called brinkmanship. If MJ is negotiating with the bank he may leave payment for the last minute. That is not a problem for Mj if he knows that they cannot sell his property.
When friedface was telling the world that MJ was about to lose his catalogue because he was in debt, where was MJ, rellaxing in ireland or Bharain. MJ has good lawyers who know what they are doing. No bank can take your property when you can prove that you are negotiating to pay them. they will only do that if you cannot pay. If MJ was desparate for money, all he needs is an interview or an awards show, he would earn millions.
 
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Ok following complaints on some of the comments posted here I have cleaned this thread. :yes: Please stick to the subject of the topic and not your worse 'personal fears' of what may/may not happen if NL is auctioned etc. :smile:

I have to say that personally I don't see what is there to discuss regarding this subject. I mean MJ has till 19th March to do something about his property or it will be auctioned. So I don't really understand this thread coz its not the 19th March yet heck its not even March yet. Also unless any of us have ever in the past or in some capacity be MJ's financial advisours regarding what he chooses to do with his money then I don't see the point of going on and on about this. I will understand if it was the 19th March and a decision was made and that fans wanted to voice their opinions on how they feel about the decision in a respectful manner of course but to go on and on based on what? A 'possibility that MJ may/or may not have HIS house auctioned to me is very strange to me indeed.

Each to their own! If one chooses to lose sleep with worry over what may happen in the meantime I seriously hope that one also approaches his/her own financial matters with the same obsession. For at least this method will be productive in his/her life.:yes:

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Datsymay said:
I have always felt that Mj will return to that place, when he is ready to do that. He will go back and he will return it to its glory days. I have always believe that. And yes, For me, MJ IS the real life Peter Pan, And He will return to Neverland, and the Headline will jump out at us,'Return to Neverland'. Yes. That is my dream and I am sticking to it.:p
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You are right. He will return.....and it will make headline news for sure. And I will be right there crying my eyes out.

KOPV said:
When Neverland was raided HISTORY was made that day.. Sending 70 law in forcement to invade his HOME.. More law inforcement than any other crime investigation in U.S. history.. That is more than any serial killer, more than any mafia king-pin, the largest drug deals.. This shows that they were trying to KILL Michael Jackson. This they did not accomplish. Michael needed to stay away from neverland for healing reasons.. There will be a time that he will return there, He needed to erase the memory of what they did there..

I look foward to the day he goes home. (NEVERLAND)
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Everytime I think about all those law people being in his home, I think about how much stuff they must have stolen. You know they did it.

Datsymay said:
Funny you should say that. I was reading in Joe's book that when he bought the estate in Encino, the neighbours collected a petition from the neighbourhood to keep the Jacksons out of the all white neighbourhood. This was in the 70's and the Jacksons were mighty famous at the time. I Joe Jackson was not intimidated. It made him more determined. The jackson family are still there. Michael will not be driven out of Neverland if Joe Jackson's blood runs through his veins.:)
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Wow, this is really good. If there is any Jackson child that takes after Joe it is Michael.
 
Wow. Well i know this has been around for a while. there's always something being said about Neverland. i know so many of you say it's no big deal. it's just a property now. "it's passed a while ago". but sometimes, now matter how silly it sounds to you, you need to realize that this "property" means so much more to them than it does you. I have only been a fan for a year and a half. But Neverland and Michael's "Peter Pan" spirit is exactly why i love michael so much. i'll even go so far as to use the ol cliche and say "fell in love" with michael. honestly i find myself so mixed up now. he's left neverland and ironicly enough, he's all grown up now. and for some reason i can't explain, i'm taking it personal. i seriously almost get mad at him for growing up. i feel like i am tinkerbell losing peter pan. i know that sounds dramatic and what not..but i seriously do feel hurt by it. all my passion and love pours out to "peter pan" in the end. it's not michael i'm crazy about...it's peter pan...but peter pan is gone now..and now..what of neverland? will that be gone too? so many of you think it's wrong for us to mourn the loss of property. but it is so much more than property to me. losing neverland mean that michael will NEVER be going back (yeah yeah. he says he could never call it home again. but lets pretend for one second that NONE OF YOU KNOW THE FUTURE so what if he ever were to go back?) If neverland is gone..he can't go back...then what happens to Peter Pan? he can never come back either. I think of myself like Tinkerbell (someone dramatically attatched and maybe a little too in love with peter pan that knows no other home than neverland...so nobody can tell me that neverland is just a property) and tinkerbell or the lost boys couldn't stand the thought of losing neverland. this is a very touchy and emotional subject for me. and i just KNOW that so many of you (if you even bothered to read this) are going "geeezee. this girl is crazy. you have GOT to be kidding me. a little dramatic don't you think?"...i know that so many of you are thinking that... but this is a place to discuss our opinions and thoughts on the matter and i feel strongly about it. so if you're going to critisize, don't be all mean (i'm tired of the Neverland lectures and people telling me to get over the fact that michael has matured. i'm still allowed to dream and i'm not ready to let go of peter pan)...in the end..it all boils down to this.

My dream is to once again see Peter Pan back in business. Captain Hook could never make Peter leave...so Michael..please come back to neverland. some of us still need you....just find your happy thought and fly home okay?
 
Well we were all bombarded with the news on tv and in the poapers and just about everyone is talking about it. Even my dear mother is talking about it. It is nice for MJ fans to have a place to air there feelings without the negativity that goes on on other sites, otherwise we may only sit and listen to none fans who know nothing but tabloid news running their mouths off. Sometimes fans too do need a place where they feel safe to talk.
 
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MJDisney, I feel you in those sentiments. But it's not Neverland that worries me, like i said. MJ can make a neverland elsewhere. But it's the IDEALS that go into Neverland that I'm worried about.

I'm worried about the notion that MJ gave up on all the things he expressed in "Dancing The Dream"...gave up on innocence...all of that.

I don't think he has though. But then again, I'm not sure.

That's the ONLY sad thing about this. As long as Neverland is still inside of him, then the property can burn to the ground. But if MJ gave up on Neverland and ALL that it's meant to him, and not JUST the physical property, then I'll be sad.

That is the reason why I do want him to hang on to it, and wish that he'll come back. I hope society hasn't changed him, that's all.
 
J5master said:
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Why is it i can't do whatever i want to
When it's my personal life and I don't live for you
So don't you try and tell me what is right for me
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indeed! Don't believe the tabloid press, it's garbage!

I am a communications student so I really notice this but I think that you all can agree: even the 'serious' press is using tabloid material to pump up their ratings, THEY are in need of money! newspaper sales have been going down for years and television is also loosing ground, to the internet of course. So please don't believe a story if it's very sensational, it's just copied from a tabloid. It's disgusting that they are so desperate! And we, MJ fans of all ppl, should not believe the crap that the media make up!

Go MJ!
 
J5master said:
MJDisney, I feel you in those sentiments. But it's not Neverland that worries me, like i said. MJ can make a neverland elsewhere. But it's the IDEALS that go into Neverland that I'm worried about.

I'm worried about the notion that MJ gave up on all the things he expressed in "Dancing The Dream"...gave up on innocence...all of that.

I don't think he has though. But then again, I'm not sure.

That's the ONLY sad thing about this. As long as Neverland is still inside of him, then the property can burn to the ground. But if MJ gave up on Neverland and ALL that it's meant to him, and not JUST the physical property, then I'll be sad.

That is the reason why I do want him to hang on to it, and wish that he'll come back. I hope society hasn't changed him, that's all.
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J5, Michael will Never give up. I knew it when I read Dancing The Dream;


In Michael's own words, taken from his poem, Magical Child


"In endless ways they tried to destroy
His simple trust, his boundless joy
His invincible armor was a shield of bliss
Nothing could touch it, no venom, no hiss
The child remained in a state of grace
He wasn’t confined in time or place
In Technicolor dreams, he frolicked and played
While acting his part, in Eternity he stayed"
:D
 
J5master said:
MJDisney, I feel you in those sentiments. But it's not Neverland that worries me, like i said. MJ can make a neverland elsewhere. But it's the IDEALS that go into Neverland that I'm worried about.

I'm worried about the notion that MJ gave up on all the things he expressed in "Dancing The Dream"...gave up on innocence...all of that.

I don't think he has though. But then again, I'm not sure.

That's the ONLY sad thing about this. As long as Neverland is still inside of him, then the property can burn to the ground. But if MJ gave up on Neverland and ALL that it's meant to him, and not JUST the physical property, then I'll be sad.

That is the reason why I do want him to hang on to it, and wish that he'll come back. I hope society hasn't changed him, that's all.
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thank you. i feel so silly for getting so emotional about this. sometimes i stop myself and say "GEEZ DO YOU HEAR YOURSELF!! IT'S A HOUSE!"...but no...i can't help it. and it helps when others agree in some way. i understand exactly what you're saying though. the physical property shouldn't matter..i guess my thing is this...if he had it in his heart then he wouldn't let the physical property go either...emotion just makes connections like that...so if the physical property goes..chances are..it all goes :'( i really gotta get out of here though cuz i'm embarrasing myself :p)
 
na that i disagree. It's like taking MJ out of Gary, but gary is definitely still in Mike :lol: MJ had innocence before he bought neverland. If he ever had to let go of Neverland, then all he has to do is place that innocence somewhere else. Something like innocence is internal, not external.

And Dats, reading Dancing the Dream now kinda makes me sad, cuz that's what really made me a fan of HIM as a human being. And even though the poem says that he'll never give up on it, MJ's only human....
 
MJDisneyDork said:
thank you. i feel so silly for getting so emotional about this. sometimes i stop myself and say "GEEZ DO YOU HEAR YOURSELF!! IT'S A HOUSE!"...but no...i can't help it. and it helps when others agree in some way. i understand exactly what you're saying though. the physical property shouldn't matter..i guess my thing is this...if he had it in his heart then he wouldn't let the physical property go either...emotion just makes connections like that...so if the physical property goes..chances are..it all goes :'( i really gotta get out of here though cuz i'm embarrasing myself :p)
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Missdisney, You have been very honest and I do admire you for it. Don't be embarrassed at all. MJ wasn't embarrassed when he said he was Peter pan in his heart. And he did build neverland didn't he?:D
 
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Michael will not lose his ranch guys! If he didn't want it he wouldn't have paid back taxes a few weeks ago, just for him to lose it now. Everything will be taken care of!
 
MJsPanda said:
Michael will not lose his ranch guys! If he didn't want it he wouldn't have paid back taxes a few weeks ago, just for him to lose it now. Everything will be taken care of!
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Thanks MJsPanda. Although I know nothing about owning property or high finance, I found that "paying of back taxes" to be a bit odd. I mean, why bother!
 
J5Master. i see what you're saying. i hope you're right :D

Datsymay said:
Missdisney, You have been very honest and I do admire you for it. Don't be embarrassed at all. MJ wasn't embarrassed when he said he was Peter pan in his heart. And he did build neverland didn't he?:D
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hehe. thanks thanks. you made me giggle :p Missdisney..haha..i think i'll make that my stage name when i'm famous :p lol.

i can almost see it though..IF michael ended up losing neverland...how many people would have "RIP~Neverland valley ranch" LOL!!
 
so what know we all wait and see if MJ got has neverland back or he just happy to come back to neverland and telling other people that leave me kind of thing :flowers:
or he is fighting for has life to have has neverland
 
"RIP NeverLand valley ranch :lol:

i hope Michael keeps neverland cause he is true soul for music of the whole world of love and no one can't mess with him or be like him he is the one :) :flowers:
 
J5MASTER- u do realize that sneddon is gone, right? sure he can be screwed over in any county in any city or state but that residing in a county where officials know the whole layout of his house, where everything is, is potentially dangerous, right?

as far as neverland still being his home. man said it wasn't home to him anymore. it's just a house. it served its purpose, was tainted twice, and helped to house all the jacksons and witnesses that testified for mj during the trial....then once it was over, everyone left and they havent' been back.

i think keeping it is a big FU to the county. im so rich i can pay this much a yr for a house i don't even intend on coming back to. dude picked the most soil rich parts of the ranch to develop on. so they can try to make it into a vineyard but it'll be in vain.

neverland is not what made michael. he made neverland....and that was his joy that he chose to share. if he's done sharing and he's done w/ it, let it go. i think many fans are just upset that IF he chose to be done w/ it, this is the way it has to be done.

in the end...DOES IT REALLY MATTER? remember when all we wanted a few yrs ago was a not guilty verdict and mj happy and safe w/ his chillun? remember that feeling and then re-evaluate your comments
 
I dont need to reevaluate. I said it's MJ's decision whatever happens to it and I'm not really attached to the place, but the IDEALS behind it.

and if sneddon is gone, then that's that then. If mj decides to live in that place if he so choses, then he wouldn't be in any more danger anywhere else. The layout of the house can't do much for any case that they decide to make for anything.

They have more than just his property, they have pictures of his body and all of that. So there's no where he can go that's "more safe" if you wanna think that way.
 
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