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Marcel Avram talks about a recent meeting with MJ

I don't believe for one second that michael is talking to somebody that sued him. Now I could be wrong but I WON'T buy this mess until michael says it. Sorry.-_-

It would be like mike expressing his feelings to marc schaffel. "mike: ya know marc, I luuve to tour!" Pleeaze with extra cheese I ain't buying that mess for a second.:lol:
 
If I had a chance i would say
" there's nothing left to prove, but have you done all these great things because you had something to prove or because of the love, the passion and the gift ? "

i'm sure there're many great things Michael is doing and will do... some will involve the world others will be just great moments that each of us lives day after day.

human.
 
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Bee1983 said:
Alright, I am not trying to be negative but isn't this same Marcel guy that sued MJ years back for not doing concerts? I think this guy is a slimeball and regardless of what MJ supposedly told him, I do not believe it unless it came from MJ. That is just how I see it. Also, the translation is terrible, no offense.

I understand that it is possible that MJ might not want to tour anymore, but this Marcel guy has sued MJ before and the way he is telling this story is fishy to me. Maybe MJ told him that but at the sentence does not want to be bothered with touring or whatever. I just do not trust this guy or anyone that sued MJ.
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Well, Avram sued Michael already in '93 and then they did the HIStory Tour, the Michael Jackson & Friends and the supposed Millennium concerts together! So what?!
 
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hmm..i really don't know what to make of this all.
it's understandable though if he never wants to tour again...it's just kind of sad to think that a lot of his fans won't be able to see him on that stage in person again.
 
Not sure about this story but i can understand if thats how Michael feels . He always hated touring and i can,t see him doing it again unless he needs to. I do believe he wants to do something different but weather he was really talking to this marcel guy or not is hard to believe since i do remember they had some kind of problems with each other . who know they could of put it behind them but i just don,t kmow. What ever Michael wants to do is fine with me , lets face it and i,m proud to say he has already done it all. However i still think we will see more of Michael and that he will surprise us with something. As long as he is happy i,m happy. Who deserves it more than our Michael and his children. Do what ever you have to michael i will always be your fan . weather you do more and even if you retire.:)
 
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I agree what MJ said to Marcel. He has already accomplished everything and MJ does not need to prove anything to anyone. There is no point to work hard your entire life and then not enjoy it. MJ WAS the greatest entertainer in the past and STILL is the greatest entertainer today regardless if he tours or not. I am sure MJ gets tired of doing the same thing just as we fans get tired of doing the same thing. He is only human so leave the man alone. MJ is almost 50 years old and dedicated his entire life to us fans; the LEAST we can do is appreciate what he has done in his life for us and give him what he gave us; HAPPINESS. If you cant do that you are not a real fan.
 
True. I think Michael said he's done it all his life, because in reality, he did do it all his life, he toured for so long and so much, he toured for History, he toured for Dangerous, he toured for Bad, he toured before that with his brothers so much. He doesn't need to do it, till the rest of his life. What he wants to do is to do other things now. He said it himself, he wants to do a film, I'm sure about the London thing or whatever, he meant that he wants to do something special, and different in whatever he does next whether it might be anything he does at all, and, he always been like that, and this is just obvious of him, Michael wants to go to other direction, and he will.
 
Exactly people reading what they want to read out of this. How fans can get that Michael isn't inspired anymore out of that is beyond me. Whatever.

Bascially Michael is saying what he has always said. I don't need to prove myself. I have done everything since I was a child. He didn't say he didn't want to perform he doesn't want to go on a long ass tour for a couple of years or do the same old thing. That's why I am excited about seeing Michael's next performance. He wants to do something different. Older fans who have watched this man and LISTENED to the man over the many years will know that he is extremely creative and always strives to do something different. And he will take his time to realise his ideas. A lot of people just want him up on stage etc doing things that are being done by every other artist out there. The likes of Friedbrains and others in the media along with fans just think about money or promotion. It's much more than that to Michael Jackson. He is an artist. I applaud him for that.
 
Mikejoefan said:
I don't believe for one second that michael is talking to somebody that sued him. Now I could be wrong but I WON'T buy this mess until michael says it. Sorry.-_-

It would be like mike expressing his feelings to marc schaffel. "mike: ya know marc, I luuve to tour!" Pleeaze with extra cheese I ain't buying that mess for a second.:lol:
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It's show business. Berry Gordy did sue the Jacksons, and took their name from them too, even today the Jacksons cannot use the name J5 cause Berry will take them to ciurt, yet MJ still hugshim and show him much love. It is show business.:)
 
Irish Flower said:
Exactly people reading what they want to read out of this. How fans can get that Michael isn't inspired anymore out of that is beyond me. Whatever.

Bascially Michael is saying what he has always said. I don't need to prove myself. I have done everything since I was a child. He didn't say he didn't want to perform he doesn't want to go on a long ass tour for a couple of years or do the same old thing. That's why I am excited about seeing Michael's next performance. He wants to do something different. Older fans who have watched this man and LISTENED to the man over the many years will know that he is extremely creative and always strives to do something different. And he will take his time to realise his ideas. A lot of people just want him up on stage etc doing things that are being done by every other artist out there. The likes of Friedbrains and others in the media along with fans just think about money or promotion. It's much more than that to Michael Jackson. He is an artist. I applaud him for that.
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I agree.:):)
 
Irish Flower said:
Exactly people reading what they want to read out of this. How fans can get that Michael isn't inspired anymore out of that is beyond me. Whatever.

Bascially Michael is saying what he has always said. I don't need to prove myself. I have done everything since I was a child. He didn't say he didn't want to perform he doesn't want to go on a long ass tour for a couple of years or do the same old thing. That's why I am excited about seeing Michael's next performance. He wants to do something different. Older fans who have watched this man and LISTENED to the man over the many years will know that he is extremely creative and always strives to do something different. And he will take his time to realise his ideas. A lot of people just want him up on stage etc doing things that are being done by every other artist out there. The likes of Friedbrains and others in the media along with fans just think about money or promotion. It's much more than that to Michael Jackson. He is an artist. I applaud him for that.
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Exactly. So many seem to think Michael is just a pop star trying to break records all the time, and that's total bull. Michael is the very definition of what an artist is supposed to be and that shows through in everything he does. People just have to wait for him. He'll blow your socks off.
 
UMANO said:
If I had a chance i would say
" there's nothing left to prove, but have you done all these great things because you had something to prove or because of the love, the passion and the gift ? "

i'm sure there're many great things Michael is doing and will do... some will involve the world others will be just great moments that each of us lives day after day.

human.
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I love that. :flowers:
 
I can't understand this very well but does he mean that him doing the regular old concerts isn't "unusual" for him and he wants to do something different?He means exactly what he says, he doesn't wanna do the same 'ole, same 'ole.
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UNPLUGGED MIKE!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
[ Michael is the very definition of what an artist is supposed to be and that shows through in everything he does. People just have to wait for him. He'll blow your socks off.[/QUOTE]

Agree. And as Harriet Cole said on the NPR radio interview. Michael has come to look at his life in a different way now and especially also focused on being a father. He has matured and when you have been in the business since a child and broke every record going and accomplished so much your artistry and vision is more important now. It would be easy for him to just get up on stage and and just sing and attend every award show. That's not Michael Jackson. He is an artist in true sense of the word. Why would he settle for less and be unhappy about it. He wouldn't be in this business after all that he has been true if he did not love music and creativity. And any fan who says he does not have the desire or inspiration are absolute fools or are too young to understand that.
 
Exactly. Like Jimmy Jam said, when he worked with Michael in 95, he said Michael had the drive and desire you would expect from someone who was just trying to break in to the business, and I doubt Michael will ever lose that. Art, in the form of music, in the form of dance, in the form of performance, is in his blood. It is who he is.
 
who is this guy ? :unsure: thx for posting. very interesting. i knew michael wasnt interested in tours anymore. he wants to try out new stuff, exciting and surprising.
 
actually my interpretation is that he doesn't want to tour anymore, which is loud and clear. but he will definitely not do small ones, as it has been done before. So if he were to tour then it would be different and BIG. i mean...he said the Bad tour was the last, but he came back with something bigger. sam ole' with history. it's just mike. you either don't do it, or you smash everything and make some history.
 
Roxanne said:
who is this guy ? :unsure: thx for posting. very interesting. i knew michael wasnt interested in tours anymore. he wants to try out new stuff, exciting and surprising.
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legitimate question and this is the man


Feb 4 2002 4:13 PM EST
Michael Jackson Sued By Promoter For Attempting World Tour Without Him

Marcel Avram claims he was promised job as promoter after paying Jackson's medical bills in Germany.

By Joe D'Angelo

Michael Jackson is being hit with a $20 million lawsuit for allegedly shopping around for a new promoter for an upcoming world tour.

Marcel Avram, of German promotion company Mama Concerts and Rau, claims he was promised the job of promoting Jackson's next world tour after fulfilling his side of a written contract, drafted in 1998, that required him to pay doctors in Germany "several thousand dollars" on Jackson's behalf, according to Avram's attorney Skip Miller. When Avram heard that Jackson was making arrangements with another promoter for an as-yet-unannounced tour, he filed his complaint for anticipatory breach of contract, breach of contract and fraud on January 22 in Superior Court in Santa Barbara, California.

Miller wouldn't explain the nature of Jackson's German doctor bills, saying only that the details would come out in the lawsuit.

Details on the upcoming tour, which would presumably support Jackson's latest album, Invincible, were unavailable at press time. Calls to Jackson's publicist were not returned.

This is the third suit Avram or Mama Concerts has filed against the pop star. Avram, a longtime friend and associate, according to Miller, promoted Jackson's 1992-93 tour for Dangerous and the 1996-97 jaunt for the double-disc anthology HIStory: Past, Present and Future, Book 1, and still has pending a $25 million suit, filed in June 2000, which claims Jackson bailed on two scheduled millennium concerts in Sydney, Australia, and Honolulu, Hawaii. The cancellations resulted in lost profits for Avram. The price tag also includes interest and expenses incurred from two charity shows at which Jackson did perform in Seoul, South Korea, and Munich, Germany.

In 1994, the promotion firm sued Jackson for more than $40 million, after he canceled a total of 19 dates of the Dangerous tour. At the time, Jackson faced allegations of sexual misconduct with a minor, although the official reason given for the cancellation was that he was addicted to painkillers. The matter was settled out of court.

http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1452133/20020204/jackson_michael.jhtml

Michael Jackson in Suing Mood

10/04/2005 3:52 PM, E! Online
Josh Grossberg

Michael Jackson wants a former business partner to beat it.

From his Bahrain getaway, Jackson has dispatched his legal minions to Los Angeles Superior Court to file a lawsuit against a concert promoter.

By launching the salvo, Jackson seeks to prevent Munich-based concert promoter Marcel Avram from seeking arbitration in an earlier lawsuit Avram brought against Jackson for bailing on two millennium concerts.

The new suit, filed on behalf of Jackson and his MJ Company, says Avram and his Mama Concerts & Rau is violating the terms of an initial 2003 settlement agreement in that previous dispute.

Avram, 67, who has promoted the entertainer's concerts for the past three decades, sued Jackson in 2000 for $21 million. Avram accused Jackson of scuttling a four-concert deal that included two New Year's Eve concerts straddling the international date line--one in Sydney and the other in Honolulu--that purportedly cost the promoter tens of millions of dollars.

During the subsequent trial in 2002, Jackson took the stand to discuss why he pulled the plug on the heavily hyped Y2K blowouts.

The case quickly devolved into a media circus when the tabloids began fixating on Jackson's nose and the singer hobbled in on crutches one day claiming a pet spider at his Neverland Ranch left him with a really bad bite.

The trial ended with the Santa Barbara County jury ruling against Jackson in March 2003, ordering him to pay Avram $5.3 million in damages.

Both parties claimed victory, since the award was much less than the original amount Avram sought. Avram and Jackson reached a tentative settlement agreement that stated that any current and future claims regarding the nixed concerts would be resolved in Los Angeles Superior Court.

But according to the new lawsuit, Avram broke that pledge by pursuing arbitration, a hearing of which is scheduled for Oct. 24.

Jackson wants a court order to block the businessman from resolving their dispute in a form other than what was originally agreed upon.

There was no immediate comment from Avram or Jackson attorney Michael Bruce Abelson.

This isn't the first time Avram and Jackson squared off in court. In 1993, Avram sued Jackson for $20 million for canceling his Dangerous world tour--that complaint was settled out of court for an undisclosed amount.

While Jackson has been enjoying a lengthy stay in Bahrain since being acquitted in June of child-molestation charges, his presence is still being felt in the courts.

Aside from the Avram action, two air-service businessmen were indicted last month on charges they covertly taped Jackson talking to his former lawyer Mark Geragos as they flew to Santa Barbara for Jackson to surrender on the molestation charges in 2003.

When Jackson does get back from Bahrain, he's scheduled to put the wraps on "From the Bottom of My Heart," a charity single benefiting hurricane victims that will feature guest vocals from the likes of Mariah Carey, Jay-Z, Missy Elliot and Wyclef Jean.

http://music.yahoo.com/read/news/24516912
 
Marcel Avram called himself a FRIEND of Michael. He sues him twice, when Michael was already down. Nice friend. But how did Michael?

***** Flies To Germany To Support Promoter


Posted Mar 19, 1998 12:00 AM
(HAMBURG) - Michael Jackson arrived in Munich on Saturday to provide moral support to concert promoter Marcel Avram, who starts a 3 1/2-year term for tax evasion in the city's Landsberg/Lech detention center April 1.|

"It is very painful for me to see my friend Marcel Avram being sent back to prison in spite of his age and the delicate state of his health," says Jackson, who has taken up residence with his entourage in Munich's Bayerischer Hof hotel. "As long as Marcel needs me, I will stay with him."

It is Jackson's second trip to Munich to see Avram; he paid a surprise visit last May. During almost nine months in jail last year awaiting trial, Avram became seriously ill and underwent surgery for astomach ulcer and prostate trouble. He provided a full confession, paid the outstanding tax, and denied any criminal intent.

The impresario was convicted Dec. 22 for withholding 5 million deutsch marks ($2.76 million) of tax after channeling fees to artists such as Pink Floyd, Chris de Burgh and Joe Cocker via a "letter-box" company in the Netherlands.

http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/5930856/*****_flies_to_germany_to_support_promoter


Michael Jackson Takes Stand In Millennium Concert Lawsuit
11.13.2002 7:30 PM EST
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Avram ran Mama Concerts & Rau, one of the largest concert agencies in the world, and worked with artists like Pink Floyd, Rod Stewart and Tina Turner before being convicted of tax evasion. Though he lost many clients during his jail stint, Jackson remained and even visited him in prison. Avram was released in April 1999 after serving nine months of a three-and-a-half-year sentence.

-Jennifer Vineyard

http://www.mtvu.com/news/articles/1458680/11132002/jackson_michael.jhtml
 
If Michael considers Avram a friend and they have worked together for for 20 years, who are we to be calling this man names? The lawsuits were not personal, they were about business. We must remember that Michael is not only a person, but also a corporation. Corporations have disputes all the time, it doesn't mean that the people involved are evil or harbour any bad feelings towards each other. Besides, considering that the court ordered Michael to pay 5.2 million, he was hardly entirely blameless.
 
I have said this SO MANY TIMES.. But my dream performance set for Michaels 'comeback' would be..

2 concerts on each populated country..
*Average 2 concerts a month (spread out within a year)
* 14 concerts in total

This will do many good things:
1) He does not like to travel all the time for tours.. Well he'd only HAVE to travel once a month.
2) It gives him more time to rehears in between concerts
3) He can spend more time with family (children)
4) Between concerts he would have time to do what he wants.. (videos/time off/other promotion stuff)
5) It would be the first concert set EVER to land on each populated continent
6) Everyone would get a chance to see him that wants to, but keeps it still a rarity

Then his last two concerts would end in the United States. in a big place in Vegas or somewhere near. The LAST concert could be an HBO special..

On this HBO special durring the Motown Medly, The Jacksons suprize everyone and perform with him.. (opening act could be Janet) as she said she would love to do..

By this time over a year will go by from the albums release date.. He could release the HBO special on DVD, as a set with the album.. Raising album sales even MORE...
 
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mjdove said:
Marcel Avram called himself a FRIEND of Michael. He sues him twice, when Michael was already down. Nice friend. But how did Michael?

***** Flies To Germany To Support Promoter


Posted Mar 19, 1998 12:00 AM
(HAMBURG) - Michael Jackson arrived in Munich on Saturday to provide moral support to concert promoter Marcel Avram, who starts a 3 1/2-year term for tax evasion in the city's Landsberg/Lech detention center April 1.|

"It is very painful for me to see my friend Marcel Avram being sent back to prison in spite of his age and the delicate state of his health," says Jackson, who has taken up residence with his entourage in Munich's Bayerischer Hof hotel. "As long as Marcel needs me, I will stay with him."

It is Jackson's second trip to Munich to see Avram; he paid a surprise visit last May. During almost nine months in jail last year awaiting trial, Avram became seriously ill and underwent surgery for astomach ulcer and prostate trouble. He provided a full confession, paid the outstanding tax, and denied any criminal intent.

The impresario was convicted Dec. 22 for withholding 5 million deutsch marks ($2.76 million) of tax after channeling fees to artists such as Pink Floyd, Chris de Burgh and Joe Cocker via a "letter-box" company in the Netherlands.

http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/5930856/*****_flies_to_germany_to_support_promoter


Michael Jackson Takes Stand In Millennium Concert Lawsuit
11.13.2002 7:30 PM EST
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Avram ran Mama Concerts & Rau, one of the largest concert agencies in the world, and worked with artists like Pink Floyd, Rod Stewart and Tina Turner before being convicted of tax evasion. Though he lost many clients during his jail stint, Jackson remained and even visited him in prison. Avram was released in April 1999 after serving nine months of a three-and-a-half-year sentence.

-Jennifer Vineyard

http://www.mtvu.com/news/articles/1458680/11132002/jackson_michael.jhtml
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Yeah, I remember reading that. Michael is a good person, and that meant a lot that he would actually visit the guy while he was in prison. He stood by Avram while everyone else jumped ship. He's loyal.

Avram shouldn't have sued Michael for canceling the "Dangerous" tour. What did he expect, exactly?
 
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JudgingNoone said:
If Michael considers Avram a friend and they have worked together for for 20 years, who are we to be calling this man names? The lawsuits were not personal, they were about business. We must remember that Michael is not only a person, but also a corporation. Corporations have disputes all the time, it doesn't mean that the people involved are evil or harbour any bad feelings towards each other. Besides, considering that the court ordered Michael to pay 5.2 million, he was hardly entirely blameless.
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It is also possible that these guys over=charge Mj and he prefers to go to court to sort them out. He usually gets the charges dropped by millions when he takes it to court. Schaffel wanted $6 million, he only got $700k. Avram wantd 20 million, he only got 5. I would say it was worth being taken to court for, wouldn't you?
 
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As if this is any of my business: He doesn't need to be doing business with any snakes, particularly snakes that have proven themselves to be so.
 
not specifically talking about Avram.. BUT, Michael has always been able to seperate business with friendship.. He's had legal battles with many people that he considers friends..

Paul Mccartney and him would still be friends if Paul knew how to seperate the two.. Business and friendship..

This reminds me of.. Did you see the movie AMERICAN GANSTER??

Well in real life, the person (investigator) that put Denzels character away in prison, became his best friend once he got out.. Today he is 'denzels characters' childs godfather...

Pretty amazing story to me..
 
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Datsymay said:
Just because he never wants to think it doesn't mean that he hasn't. Furthermore when you have given as much as MJ has and see that your own people can turn on you the way they have, it makes you sit down and take stock. He has a right to say that he has given his whole damn life to entertaining the masses and look how they treat me.:)
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Hello Datsymay,
Who turned on Mr. Jackson? After watching Mr. Jackson and people's reactions to him and his music for over thirty years, the only group I've seen turn against Mr. Jackson is the media. Now of course, you know that the media would like people to think otherwise.
Sincerely,
Drowsydoll
 
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Michael is the MAN... IDK why I wanted to say that.. but ya.
 
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