Why Did AEG/Randy Phillips???

[classic]

I've posted this same thing before, but will state my position again because the threads are very long.

No one is saying "AEG killed Michael." But there is enough that doesn't add up, that it's worth exploring. Some can continue to post and post that it's best to wait for an "official" report. Actually, we have a right to discuss and will continue, regardless. If these types of theads make people uncomfortable or upset. . and I can understand that, I'd avise not reading or posting in them, for the sake of those who DO have concerns, and minds desirous and capable of sifting through the available information. This is not that different than it was during the trial, when MJJF did a LOT of good.

"Authorities" and "officlal" reports include LAPD. If anyone has information that they are, or are not, corrupt, and have always treated Michael well, that's great. I'd love to hear it. Otherwise, some fans feel the need to continue to speculate and brain-storm, for the sake of justice for Michael's children.

Here is the primary dilemma. There are two diametrically opposed sets of "information." One comes largely from the AEG folks, that Michael was in great shape and ready to perform. The other comes largely from some of Michael's staff, and from fans, and his family. Whether or not you believe Latoya, who was interviewed by a tabloid, is up to you. Whether or not you believe fans over AEG and the LAPD, is up to you. If you have learned nothing else from the trial, I hope you have learned that "official" reports can be manipulated. Right?

So the second piece of information was that Michael was not well, was too thin, and had only agreed to do ten shows, but someone signed FOR him and he was suddenly obligated to do fifty. He didn't want to let fans down. He would have had injunctions against future performances it he'd canceled. He tried. And then he died, nearly on the eve of his going to London.

Both sets of information cannot be true. He was fine, or he was not fine. Hence, we continue to ask questions and to THINK.

Some say it makes no sense for his death to have been deliberate. That AEG would make more from him alive than dead. Here is my response to that:

AEG had a massive insurance policy on Michael. They have said they were only insured for thirty shows, however. (Who else had insurance policies on him? Time will tell.) What if they expected him to be able to complete only a few of the shows? They would have lost huge amounts of money. He passed a physical, which undoubtedly would have included drug testing. The insurance policy specified "drug overdose." That is highly unusual. They stood to gain more if he died, and I believe that.

Here are questions/comments.

How could have Michael have passed a physical, if he was not well? Someone else took it for him? I'm just speculating, but that is not impossible if the insurance company doctor had never met him face-to-face. Or, he was well then, but not recently, after grueling rehearsals and little sleep? Or, the doctor was paid a LOT by someone, to pass him. All this is possible. If someone has proof that it's NOT possible, I'd love to hear it.

The doctor was outrageously incompetant, in my opinion. He DID something. No one has said Michael died of natural causes. Murray waited thirty minutes before calling 911, and that is INSANE. He was a cardiologist, but didn't have the knowledge of CPR that the average Boy Scout has? Or did he not really try? Was Michael already gone, but he wanted to make sure of that before calling paramedics? That he did not have a phone or know the address is INSANE, or deliberate. . . . He said he did CPR with one hand behind Michael's back because Michael was FRAIL. The doctor said that. Did we not READ that? The doctor himself said, "Michael was frail." That kind of CPR might be given to a thirty-pound toddler, but never an adult.

And there is more. The surveillance tapes have DISAPPEARED. That in itself is highly suspicious. Can anyone say it's NOT suspicious? WHO really hired the doctor/chose him? AEG says Michael did. How do we know that? We don't. Michael is not here to refute that.

How could AEG make more money with Michael dead? If they did not expect him to have the stamina to complete the fifty shows, they would make MORE with him gone. There is the insurance money. There are some fans who would rather keep the tickets than have refunds (not blaming fans here. I understand.) There is immense product marketing, with rehearsal footage and other things. There has been no indication that I've seen that this money goes to the estate. If there is, I'd love to see it.

LAPD took down the crime-scene tape way too soon, and access to the house was allowed. Why did they do this? It WAS a suspicious death.

With this many questions, how can we NOT try to speculate? This was MICHAEL. We loved him. Personally, I would like to see the truth come out, whatever it is, for the sake of justice for his children. I want accountability, and i want these questions ANSWERED.

peace-out,

Victoria

And again, no one is saying not to ask questions. But, there seems to be only one set of questions that are being asked and discussed. Why not other scenarios and looking at others who could benefit from Michael's death?

And I think that the whole drug overdose/insurance part may be getting expanded more than what was said and what is known. I think at the time, Phillips was responding to a question about the financial recovery if the coroner indicates that cause of death was from an overdose. Now, whether his response was accurate, wishful thinking, or what, the insurance company would have to tell that. It wasn't like the only thing he was insured for was in the event of a drug overdose, the insurance would pay off. Also, it is probable that insurance companies have standard language in terms of what is or is not covered. Also, from the beginning AEG said that they might have to self-insure some or most of the shows. There was never a waiver from that. They knew the financial risks from this but accepted it because it could have paid very well in the end. An insurance company is not going to give them the profits that would have been gotten if these shows had been completed.

Again, I would just love for this conversation to be more inclusive rather than finding what fits particular scenarios. No matter what is said, some have immediately said that must be a lie if coming from AEG. That is not investigating but trying to fit a certain scenario.

If AEG is at fault, then hold them at fault. But, the "if" has to be answered. Same goes for others who aren't really being discussed.

 

[emmah24]

I'm not convinced, (yet) of any direct corporate responsibility though I do feel that AEG and Phillips backed Michael into a corner over these shows which ultimately left Michael isolated and in a position of "do or die" as Phillips put it himself. Michael pours his all into striving for perfection, always has done. But who could he REALLY turn to or confide in if he needed to admit he wasnt up to it? Answer...no one. AEG and Phillips....no way. Can you imagine the backlash if Michael cancelled or reduced shows? Michael had no choice but to go along with it, and this is where I believe AEG failed him. He was their client, making them a shedload of money, but I'd be willing to bet theyd be his mortal enemy if he tried to get out of his contract with them. And where would that have left his reputation, the one he was trying to rebuild?

Most interesting to me is this physical Michael took but even now I dont trust AEG to provide answers.

 

[Sifa_Dias]

This thread is just going around in circles...sigh

 

[pamiiee]

All I know is Michael Jackson loved his children and there were with him a constant in his life. He would do nothing intentional to deny them a father or anything intentional to thrust negative living into their lives. He obviously had health issues and the same as Mrs Jones down the road who needs pain relief and other areas of health medically relieved he was relying upon those who had 'allegedly' trained to know what to administer.

 

[mello1]

I know this is from the dreaded TMZ... I'm not saying any of it is true - I just hope no element of truth is in it and Katherine is being manipulated into making a bad decision... have McMillan and Levitch got her best interests at heart...???


http://www.tmz.com/2009/07/19/michae...probate-court/
Sources connected to Michael Jackson's family tell us some family members as well as [COLOR=#29A256 ! important][COLOR=#29A256 ! important]lawyers[/color][/color] for the estate are ticked off at some legal eagles who may be trying to start a legal war.

Attorneys Londell McMillan and Burt Levitch do not represent Michael's estate -- they represent Katherine Jackson personally. They filed legal papers Friday asking a judge to rule if Katherine can object to the appointment of the executors named in Michael's will and still collect the [COLOR=#29A256 ! important][COLOR=#29A256 ! important]money[/color][/color] her son left her.

Here's the issue. There's a "no contest" clause in the will, meaning anyone who files objections to the will automatically gets no money. McMillan and Levitch want to know if the "no contest" clause would apply if Katherine only objects to the executors Michael chose.

Here's what's bugging some family members and the lawyers representing the estate ... the will gives Katherine 40% of Michael's estate, so she can't be upset about that. The will names Katherine [COLOR=#29A256 ! important][COLOR=#29A256 ! important]guardian[/color][/color] for the children .. again, that's what she wants. And the named executors -- John Branca and John McClain -- are Michael's longtime, trusted advisors and friends.

So why would Katherine object to the will or the executors? A lot of people who are in the middle of it all feel Katherine is being manipulated and doesn't really understand the implications of mounting a legal challenge.

So why are McMillan and Levitch kicking up dust?

Well, before McMillan was Katherine's personal attorney, he was MJ's attorney. Lonell McMillan has a very distinguished and impressive resume, including work he did for Prince in getting him out of his contract with Warner Bros (remember when Prince was the 'Artist Formally Known As...' and 'SLAVE' written across his face?). Bain brought him onboard, but it was McMillan that made Bain sign an iron clad exit clause -- something she fail to denote in her $40 million lawsuit against MJ.

Of course the executors would be upset. This represents a 'fly in the ointment'. At this point, the only lawyer I do still have some trust and some hope in is McMillan because once MJ brought him onboard, McMillan was handling MJ's business in getting the numerous lawsuits knocked down and settled. While he only handled certain aspects of MJ's business, maybe some things don't sit square with him, either.

 

[Moth2aFlame]

Proof that the will is fake?

Its not even debatable to me, Prove that the Will is Real........Is it written or TYPED, did Michael write the whole thing or is it typed and a Signature added ? ? ? Did Michael Jackson Video his Wills ? ? ? Katherine Jackson CONTEST this will NOW put the brakes on everything they are DARING you to Contest it because they are Lawyers and they know what they have done MAKE THEM PROVE ITS REAL KATHERINE, speaking of Elvis Estate its been rumor from the Child Molestation Cases Holders of Elvis and The Beatles Estate where involved with framing Michael. I believe you La Toya "there are Many and they Conspiried together", this man is dead and there are many who know exactly why, I dont care what they say in the news, their trolls post on forums, all these ratched jaws can jack all they want there is no fear, there are many that will support The Jacksons and they will win cause these FOOLS done killed Michael Jackson for Jealousy and Greed. Like another poster said "we should have known they would kill him the last person who did what Michael did they hung him on a cross and crucified him", they will pay for Killing Michael Jackson.


1. Joe Jackson was Michael's Manager until John Branca took over.

2. Michael destruction has been going on for decades couldnt frame him for Child Molestation so whats next. Spent Millions paying off Alleged Victims Families.

3. Once encourged drug use this dependance used as motive against him on June 25, 2009 to set the stage

4. No one really saw Michael this year except AEG People and they are the only ones now saying he was sick, on drugs.

5. La Toya said Michael had a will from 2007 he did his Wills every 5 years like clockwork.

6. I believe Michael Jackson in every will he ever had left everything to his Father and Mother and Brothers and Sisters.

7. This Fake 02' will Michael never dated the "year 2002" it was typed in

8. Michael would have never left his life Inheritance to a man he fired years ago and to no ones knowledge but Michael who is DEAD and Branca that he had hired him a week before being found DEAD.

9.. Michael would have never left a Will with a Trust inside of it that would have made his Mother a Target in a Legal War.

10. John Branca certainly had enough documents with Michael Jackson named already signed on them to produce a Fake Fraudulent Will.

11. I do believe these Executors plan to Bankrupt Michael Bank Accounts so that his Assets will have to be used in paying his debts, as Executors they are not worry they will have the missing money out of his bank accounts now and every year they will get a check a percentage of the Estate and they will also get Royalties Fees for the rest of their lives in any words they would have it all and his children would have to ask them for anything because they are Executors something Michael Jackson would have never handed these two.

12. John Branca and McClain have made themselves aires to Michael Jackson Estate and All Royalties, they are the ones really after Neverland to buy it in a Phantom name.

13. Michael would have never done this to his Mother he knew the Business to well and he knew his Father knew the Buisness he would have left Joe Jackson to handle this not his Mother .

14. But most of ALL Michael Jackson didnt even need "Executors" he had Benificaries. I'll let a Legal Attorney explain that below:



.........................As I wrote in my prior post, Jackson tried to protect his family from probate court by creating a Family Trust. Everything that the Estate does will be for the benefit of that Trust. Because trusts (unlike wills) are private documents that the public does not have a right to see, we may never know how Jackson's property ultimately passes. Of course, it is widely assumed that his children are the primary beneficiaries.

What all this fighting in court does tell us about the Trust is that Jackson apparently did not use it the right way. If he had properly funded that Trust -- by placing all of his property, rights and other assets into it -- then the trustees of that Trust would control everything, not the executors of his Estate. In other words, none of the court hearings would be necessary, and the matter would be handled in private by those he trusted to do so. Probate courts don't have to oversee what happens with a Trust, but they do for wills and estates.........

http://www.probatelawyerblog.com/20...ion-posted-6a01053645c43a970b011571dc9636970b



I think its sad what has happened to Michael and what they are doing to his Mother and Family. This Family is known for OverComing their Enemies.

The Main People who I believe had Motive and Oppurtunity and Money and Connections to Conspire to Murder Michael Jackson some for decades some just became involved since his last trial in 2005. I believe they chose now because of the 3 children Paris Katherine Michael Jackson, Prince Michael Jackson and Prince Michael Joseph Jackson II, because Michael realize what they where trying to do to him and he also was living like a Father not like a celebrity any more and they didnt like that, Michael wasnt doing Drugs anymore when he was murdered and they couldnt let him walk around like that he wouldnt need them anymore. He was no longer The King of Pop to them he was a Daddy now.

Sony/Sony-ATV
Fortress
AEG
Estate Holders of Elvis
Estate Holders of The Beatles
Michael Jackson Accounting Firm that he Sued for Unpaid Bills
John Branca
Frank Detio
Michael Jackson Doctors and this does not include Dr. Murray

They can get away with Man but they will not get away with God, Paul already knows this he will never be happy in this earth again.

 

[classic]

I'm not convinced, (yet) of any direct corporate responsibility though I do feel that AEG and Phillips backed Michael into a corner over these shows which ultimately left Michael isolated and in a position of "do or die" as Phillips put it himself. Michael pours his all into striving for perfection, always has done. But who could he REALLY turn to or confide in if he needed to admit he wasnt up to it? Answer...no one. AEG and Phillips....no way. Can you imagine the backlash if Michael cancelled or reduced shows? Michael had no choice but to go along with it, and this is where I believe AEG failed him. He was their client, making them a shedload of money, but I'd be willing to bet theyd be his mortal enemy if he tried to get out of his contract with them. And where would that have left his reputation, the one he was trying to rebuild?

Most interesting to me is this physical Michael took but even now I dont trust AEG to provide answers.

Well, we do know the backlash that would have come from fans for canceling shows. Remember the thread where it was announced that the show's starting date had been pushed back and some others rescheduled as a result. To be honest, there weren't many comments about his health at that time and how if he needed the cover of "production reasons" to protect him while he got better that would be okay as long as he was fine. So, where would that leave the fans in the mix of all of this. If he read that thread and other subsequent ones, I'm sure he wouldn't have felt he could cancel or reschedule. You say that is where AEG failed him. Are we ready to now say that is also where the fans failed him, too, then. Let's not rewrite history as far as reactions to the announcement went.

 

[classic]

Its not even debatable to me, Prove that the Will is Real........Is it written or TYPED, did Michael write the whole thing or is it typed and a Signature added ? ? ? Did Michael Jackson Video his Wills ? ? ? Katherine Jackson CONTEST this will NOW put the brakes on everything they are DARING you to Contest it because they are Lawyers and they know what they have done MAKE THEM PROVE ITS REAL KATHERINE, speaking of Elvis Estate its been rumor from the Child Molestation Cases Holders of Elvis and The Beatles Estate where involved with framing Michael. I believe you La Toya "there are Many and they Conspiried together", this man is dead and there are many who know exactly why, I dont care what they say in the news, their trolls post on forums, all these ratched jaws can jack all they want there is no fear, there are many that will support The Jacksons and they will win cause these FOOLS done killed Michael Jackson for Jealousy and Greed. Like another poster said "we should have known they would kill him the last person who did what Michael did they hung him on a cross and crucified him", they will pay for Killing Michael Jackson.


1. Joe Jackson was Michael's Manager until John Branca took over.

2. Michael destruction has been going on for decades couldnt frame him for Child Molestation so whats next. Spent Millions paying off Alleged Victims Families.

3. Once encourged drug use this dependance used as motive against him on June 25, 2009 to set the stage

4. No one really saw Michael this year except AEG People and they are the only ones now saying he was sick, on drugs.

5. La Toya said Michael had a will from 2007 he did his Wills every 5 years like clockwork.

6. I believe Michael Jackson in every will he ever had left everything to his Father and Mother and Brothers and Sisters.

7. This Fake 02' will Michael never dated the "year 2002" it was typed in

8. Michael would have never left his life Inheritance to a man he fired years ago and to no ones knowledge but Michael who is DEAD and Branca that he had hired him a week before being found DEAD.

9.. Michael would have never left a Will with a Trust inside of it that would have made his Mother a Target in a Legal War.

10. John Branca certainly had enough documents with Michael Jackson named already signed on them to produce a Fake Fraudulent Will.

11. I do believe these Executors plan to Bankrupt Michael Bank Accounts so that his Assets will have to be used in paying his debts, as Executors they are not worry they will have the missing money out of his bank accounts now and every year they will get a check a percentage of the Estate and they will also get Royalties Fees for the rest of their lives in any words they would have it all and his children would have to ask them for anything because they are Executors something Michael Jackson would have never handed these two.

12. John Branca and McClain have made themselves aires to Michael Jackson Estate and All Royalties, they are the ones really after Neverland to buy it in a Phantom name.

13. Michael would have never done this to his Mother he knew the Business to well and he knew his Father knew the Buisness he would have left Joe Jackson to handle this not his Mother .

14. But most of ALL Michael Jackson didnt even need "Executors" he had Benificaries. I'll let a Legal Attorney explain that below:



.........................As I wrote in my prior post, Jackson tried to protect his family from probate court by creating a Family Trust. Everything that the Estate does will be for the benefit of that Trust. Because trusts (unlike wills) are private documents that the public does not have a right to see, we may never know how Jackson's property ultimately passes. Of course, it is widely assumed that his children are the primary beneficiaries.

What all this fighting in court does tell us about the Trust is that Jackson apparently did not use it the right way. If he had properly funded that Trust -- by placing all of his property, rights and other assets into it -- then the trustees of that Trust would control everything, not the executors of his Estate. In other words, none of the court hearings would be necessary, and the matter would be handled in private by those he trusted to do so. Probate courts don't have to oversee what happens with a Trust, but they do for wills and estates.........

http://www.probatelawyerblog.com/20...ion-posted-6a01053645c43a970b011571dc9636970b



I think its sad what has happened to Michael and what they are doing to his Mother and Family. This Family is known for OverComing their Enemies.

The Main People who I believe had Motive and Oppurtunity and Money and Connections to Conspire to Murder Michael Jackson some for decades some just became involved since his last trial in 2005. I believe they chose now because of the 3 children Paris Katherine Michael Jackson, Prince Michael Jackson and Prince Michael Joseph Jackson II, because Michael realize what they where trying to do to him and he also was living like a Father not like a celebrity any more and they didnt like that, Michael wasnt doing Drugs anymore when he was murdered and they couldnt let him walk around like that he wouldnt need them anymore. He was no longer The King of Pop to them he was a Daddy now.

Sony/Sony-ATV
Fortress
AEG
Estate Holders of Elvis
Estate Holders of The Beatles
Michael Jackson Accounting Firm that he Sued for Unpaid Bills
John Branca
Frank Detio
Michael Jackson Doctors and this does not include Dr. Murray

They can get away with Man but they will not get away with God, Paul already knows this he will never be happy in this earth again.

Wow. There are a lot of assumptions in knowing what Michael would or would not have done. Also, some of that is just not right. Can Michael at least have credit for knowing how to distribute his estate?

 

[Mechi]

Well, we do know the backlash that would have come from fans for canceling shows. Remember the thread where it was announced that the show's starting date had been pushed back and some others rescheduled as a result. To be honest, there weren't many comments about his health at that time and how if he needed the cover of "production reasons" to protect him while he got better that would be okay as long as he was fine. So, where would that leave the fans in the mix of all of this. If he read that thread and other subsequent ones, I'm sure he wouldn't have felt he could cancel or reschedule. You say that is where AEG failed him. Are we ready to now say that is also where the fans failed him, too, then. Let's not rewrite history as far as reactions to the announcement went.

But it weren't fans planning this show marathon from the very beginning and stocking it up to 50 shows suddenly right?

Plus if there would have been cancelation with the reason given that Michael health can't keep up with such shows nobody would know how fans would have responded.

The cancelation was given... and then a bit later the reason only... if you want to cause an uproar that's a good way to do it.

Yeah fans did put pressure on Michael his life long... but with this pressure he was able to deal for decades already.

AEG et. al. did put their pressure... and not even half a year later Michael is dead.

 

[Moth2aFlame]

Wow. There are a lot of assumptions in knowing what Michael would or would not have done. Also, some of that is just not right. Can Michael at least have credit for knowing how to distribute his estate?

All I can see as the biggest Assumption right now is that Michael Jackson the World's Greatest Entertainer was a Skeleton using drugs with 3 kids that went home early one morning and injected HIMSELF with a MASSIVE OverDose of Drugs, thats the only assumption I see. Can we at least give Michael the benefit of a doubt that he was an Intelligent Wonderful human being one of the most sincere any of us will ever met that he was Murdered and a Fake Will was produce to bankrupt his own Estate and leave his children destitute at the Mercy of Executors. Its takes alot of assumptions to believe all these people lying about Michael Jackson too. Everybody just aint buying it. Just because these two Charlatans brought a piece of paper to court doesnt mean its REAL after all these Killers got 20 years of planning on my 1 month of assumptions.

 

[Superstition]

Can we at least give Michael the benefit of a doubt that he was an Intelligent Wonderful human being one of the most sincere any of us will ever met

Yes.

that he was Murdered and a Fake Will was produce to bankrupt his own Estate and leave his children destitute at the Mercy of Executors.

No.

 

[myfavouritewintercoat]

So now this is being said:
http://www.mirror.co.uk/celebs/news...ties-from-final-show-footage-115875-21536575/

Michael Jackson children to get £300m in royalties from final show footage


By Martin Fricker 21/07/2009




Michael Jackson's children will net a £300million windfall from footage of the rehearsals for his final shows.

A £30million film featuring unseen film of *****'s last days is already in the pipeline.

Once it has been sold around the world, tour promoter AEG expects to bank £200million.

A soundtrack album to accompany the film will also be a likely bestseller

Aeg boss Randy Phillips said Jackson's kids Prince, 12, Paris, 11 and Blanket, seven, will get "the lion's share" of royalties.

While his company shot the footage, *****'s estate owns the rights to his name and likeness.

Mr Phillips added: "Michael was our partner in life and now he's our partner in death."

Aeg also wants at least £5million for the sole US TV rights to a behind-the-scenes documentary special.

It will feature interviews with the superstar just hours before his death and be shown in September to promote the movie.

A 10-track album of songs recorded by ***** last year is likely to be snapped up for £25million by a record label.

Aeg is also selling TV rights to a London tribute concert on August 29, Jackson's birthday.

Justin Timberlake, Janet Jackson and others will perform the songs he had planned.

The £30million movie will be made by Sony Pictures.

It will have access to more than 80 hours of footage from the star's Staples Center rehearsals.

Hollywood is buzzing with rumours it could be in cinemas in time for Christmas.
.................................


How much do you think they 'might' have made if he lived, there would have been what about £60m from tickets, then merchandise sales then any live DVD... but although that would have sold well(providing the shows went well) nothing would have sold as much as it is now he is dead. As now people who didn't even have any interest in the TII Tour are now buying MJ stuff all over again. I'm pretty sure AEG will make more money from him dead... whether they planned it I really don't know obviously but I'm open to considering it. The fact the film will 'possibly' be in cinemas for Christmas the busiest time of the year for many things makes me feel a bit sick 'if' it is all planned....

 

[Moth2aFlame]

So now this is being said:
http://www.mirror.co.uk/celebs/news...ties-from-final-show-footage-115875-21536575/

Michael Jackson children to get £300m in royalties from final show footage


By Martin Fricker 21/07/2009




Michael Jackson's children will net a £300million windfall from footage of the rehearsals for his final shows.

A £30million film featuring unseen film of *****'s last days is already in the pipeline.

Once it has been sold around the world, tour promoter AEG expects to bank £200million.

A soundtrack album to accompany the film will also be a likely bestseller

Aeg boss Randy Phillips said Jackson's kids Prince, 12, Paris, 11 and Blanket, seven, will get "the lion's share" of royalties.

While his company shot the footage, *****'s estate owns the rights to his name and likeness.

Mr Phillips added: "Michael was our partner in life and now he's our partner in death."

Aeg also wants at least £5million for the sole US TV rights to a behind-the-scenes documentary special.

It will feature interviews with the superstar just hours before his death and be shown in September to promote the movie.

A 10-track album of songs recorded by ***** last year is likely to be snapped up for £25million by a record label.

Aeg is also selling TV rights to a London tribute concert on August 29, Jackson's birthday.

Justin Timberlake, Janet Jackson and others will perform the songs he had planned.

The £30million movie will be made by Sony Pictures.

It will have access to more than 80 hours of footage from the star's Staples Center rehearsals.

Hollywood is buzzing with rumours it could be in cinemas in time for Christmas.
.................................


How much do you think they 'might' have made if he lived, there would have been what about £60m from tickets, then merchandise sales then any live DVD... but although that would have sold well(providing the shows went well) nothing would have sold as much as it is now he is dead. As now people who didn't even have any interest in the TII Tour are now buying MJ stuff all over again. I'm pretty sure AEG will make more money from him dead... whether they planned it I really don't know obviously but I'm open to considering it. The fact the film will 'possibly' be in cinemas for Christmas the busiest time of the year for many things makes me feel a bit sick 'if' it is all planned....

I Totally Agree.

 

[CherubimII]

How much love do you think, Prince Michael, Paris and Blanket
would have gotten from thier father, Michael Jackson,
if he had been allowed to live here on Earth longer?

 

[Aengil]

How much do you think they 'might' have made if he lived, there would have been what about £60m from tickets, then merchandise sales then any live DVD... but although that would have sold well(providing the shows went well) nothing would have sold as much as it is now he is dead.

The thing is, he could always have died later. If he'd done even just one of the concerts, AEG would have had the footage from that as well. More money.

There is also a huge jump from "someone could potentially profit from that person dying" to "they killed that person". I know people like to portray big business as being completely morally bankrupt, but in practice, they don't have teams of assassins they send out any time they could profit from it.

Basically, I really don't think AEG planned anything. It wouldn't make business sense - it's like killing the goose that laid the golden egg. Sure, it drives up the value of the golden eggs you've got, but you're not getting any more.

 

[mello1]

How much love do you think, Prince Michael, Paris and Blanket
would have gotten from thier father, Michael Jackson,
if he had been allowed to live here on Earth longer?

Incalculable.

 

[RedMaryFlint]

And the named executors -- John Branca and John McClain -- are Michael's longtime, trusted advisors and friends.

Why does TMZ characterize Branca as "trusted" when he was fired on and off and was once investigated by LeGrand? They're making it sound like he has an unbroken record of service.

 

[mello1]

Why does TMZ characterize Branca as "trusted" when he was fired on and off and was once investigated by LeGrand? They're making it sound like he has an unbroken record of service.

Can't be that long-timed trusted.

But long-timed is about right.

A long-time at being and doing what is what I want to know.

I mean, hell, if dude was firing and rehiring me, at some point, I would say the hell with him.

Why keep going back?

Sounds like an abusive relationship or something...

 

[Autumn II]

Wow. There are a lot of assumptions in knowing what Michael would or would not have done. Also, some of that is just not right. Can Michael at least have credit for knowing how to distribute his estate?

Classic, your posts are amazingly consistent, no matter how much evidence is presented, and how much logic.

It is perfectly valid to ask these questions about the will, and this is an investigation thread. Something surely went terribly, terribly wrong, and that is more than obvious. . . . .

 

[Autumn II]

Well, we do know the backlash that would have come from fans for canceling shows. Remember the thread where it was announced that the show's starting date had been pushed back and some others rescheduled as a result. To be honest, there weren't many comments about his health at that time and how if he needed the cover of "production reasons" to protect him while he got better that would be okay as long as he was fine. So, where would that leave the fans in the mix of all of this. If he read that thread and other subsequent ones, I'm sure he wouldn't have felt he could cancel or reschedule. You say that is where AEG failed him. Are we ready to now say that is also where the fans failed him, too, then. Let's not rewrite history as far as reactions to the announcement went.

You can see on the board how much love there was/is for Michael. If fans had had any inkling or suspicion that he wasn't physically able to do the concerts, I can't imagine that ANY fan would have "pushed him." Fans wanted him ALIVE.

So NO, we are NOT ready to say that fans failed him and will not say that. What I can see is that fans were about the only ones trying to protect him. Please be VERY careful in accusing fans. People are grieving quite enough.

 

[Moth2aFlame]

Can't be that long-timed trusted.

But long-timed is about right.

A long-time at being and doing what is what I want to know.

I mean, hell, if dude was firing and rehiring me, at some point, I would say the hell with him.

Why keep going back?

Sounds like an abusive relationship or something...

I think we should give Michael credit that he knew what he was doing and he probably had a Great reason for firing these people mainly UnTrust Worthy, Deception and Stealing and who knows what else, there are no telling how many DOCUMENTS over the years Michael found out about that his SIGNATURE had been FORGED, from buying items to hiring and firing, just like the letter to Leonard Rowe its obvious from the two last meeting Michael didnt know nothing about the Dismissal Letter. I would say someone has a Perfect Signature Block of Michael Jackson and was and now still using it for their own benefit.

 

[mello1]

I think we should give Michael credit that he knew what he was doing and he probably had a Great reason for firing these people mainly UnTrust Worthy, Deception and Stealing and who knows what else, there are no telling how many DOCUMENTS over the years Michael found out about that his SIGNATURE had been FORGED, from buying items to hiring and firing, just like the letter to Leonard Rowe its obvious from the two last meeting Michael didnt know nothing about the Dismissal Letter. I would say someone has a Perfect Signature Block of Michael Jackson and was and now still using it for their own benefit.

I wasn't referring to MJ. I was talking about Branca. Why keep on coming back if a client keeps firing you? What's up with that?

 

[Soso Deaf]

How much love do you think, Prince Michael, Paris and Blanket
would have gotten from thier father, Michael Jackson,
if he had been allowed to live here on Earth longer?

ur spot on!

i just want to know y someone would keep a will in their safe for seven yrs after being fired? y not give the will to whomever replaced u?:doh:

 

[mello1]

ur spot on!

i just want to know y someone would keep a will in their safe for seven yrs after being fired? y not give the will to whomever replaced u?:doh:

Especially if that 'will' is being claimed as 'the last will and testimont'...

 

[myfavouritewintercoat]

All I keep hearing in my head is 'They don't care, they'd do me for the money" anyone else keep thinking all of his song lyrics... and this one makes me think of the likes of Mr Randy Phillips:

I'll never betray or deceive you my friend but.
If you show me the cash
Then I will take it
If you tell me to cry
Then I will fake it
If you give me a hand
Then I will shake it

and

Then watch the ones
With the biggest smiles
The idle jabbers...Cuz they're the backstabbers
If you know it's a lie
Then you will swear it
If you give it with guilt
Then you will bear it
If it's taking a chance
Then you will dare it
You'll do anything for money...
Anything

 

[emmah24]

Well, we do know the backlash that would have come from fans for canceling shows. Remember the thread where it was announced that the show's starting date had been pushed back and some others rescheduled as a result. To be honest, there weren't many comments about his health at that time and how if he needed the cover of "production reasons" to protect him while he got better that would be okay as long as he was fine. So, where would that leave the fans in the mix of all of this. If he read that thread and other subsequent ones, I'm sure he wouldn't have felt he could cancel or reschedule. You say that is where AEG failed him. Are we ready to now say that is also where the fans failed him, too, then. Let's not rewrite history as far as reactions to the announcement went.

Yes I do remember that thread and if you feel that fans failed Michael then start another thread if you think its an appropriate thing to do.

AEGs relationship with Michael and the fans relationship with Michael are incomparable imo. One is of love, the other is clearly of money.

 

[Soso Deaf]

well to place blame on the fans is a bit eh to me. cuz we loved him but not everyone had access to help him.

 

[RedMaryFlint]

Can't be that long-timed trusted.

But long-timed is about right.

A long-time at being and doing what is what I want to know.

I mean, hell, if dude was firing and rehiring me, at some point, I would say the hell with him.

Why keep going back?

Sounds like an abusive relationship or something...

Put this "trusted" description together with TMZ's notion that Katherine is questioning the executors' role only because she's being manipulated, and I wonder who is controlling the public perception of this. TMZ is a tabloid and happy to be a slut for whoever gives them information.

 

[KingOfPop1]

It's funny.... Now the fans have failed Michael? BUT when fans tried to come to this board to tell us of what they noticed regarding Michael's condition they were brandished as LIARS and attacked. If anything, it looked like fans tried to step in and help but to no avail.

Very interesting indeed.....

 

[L.J]

^ yeah I agree... I'm also predicting the tables to turn on everyone again when the tox report comes out.

From that article just posted....

Mr Phillips added: "Michael was our partner in life and now he's our partner in death."

Isn't that quote from Mr Phillips just a tad bit sickening?