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MJ's Team Shutting out & Blockin the Family?

karen fake is full of shit. mj himself fired her ass. raymone ain't have nothing to do w/ it. maybe it was all that shit she talked. whatever. she has a guilty conscious....
 
Moddie777 said:
Victoria I could hug you right now if you were here!!!!! We are absolutely on the same page 100%!!!!!!!!!! From the evidence we see, our minds can't help but be alike. It's all there for everyone to figure out, if only they went back a few years and read some of the information thats out there and compare it to what we know now.


They took advantaged of him til the very end...
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Me too 100%.

Moddie777 said:
No matter how much some fans will try and discredit Michael's relationship with his father, the fact is: Michael's handler's decided who would and who would not get access to him. They is so much evidence out there to suggest, that they had that kind of control over Michael. Can anyone not see, there is something wrong with that?
A few years ago I was watching ABC and I believe it was one of those Casio guys, who told Diane Sawyer( ABC Reporter), that Michael lived like a prisoner in his own home. He went on to say, how he had not seen anything like that in his lifetime. This same program also had Dieter( former employee) and Producer Rodney Jerkins. Can't remember what they said.
During the gossip segment of a Major R & B Radio station a a few years ago. A person by the name of Mr. Knowledge said no one gets pass the nanny Grace in order to see Michael. Mr. Knowledge went on to say, that nanny Grace had a reputation of not allowing Michael's own family to see him! That was wayyyyyy before anything negative about Grace was ever in the tabloids or on these forums! If I am remembering correctly, it took 2 years or very close to it before any of us started to question some things.
And what about those rumors of the brother's being kept away by the security. So many people had said Michael didn't even know his brother's were outside of the Gate. I believe this happened more than once or at least I heard about it more than once.
What about the fans being so worried about Michael when he visited London a few years ago, they tried going through Raymone Bain, sending him letters and such and they came back and reported to those of us who would listen, how Raymone was able to block them and prevent their messages from getting to Michael. Remember when those fans from London told us how Michael looked and behaved? Remember who they said was with him?
I do believe what LaToya has told us in that recent interview about the people around her brother and what their intentions were. They certainly didn't want anyone who would be strong and have a positive influence on Michael to get anywhere near him. They wanted Michael all for themselves. They didn't care about his health but we did. We seem to care more than his own team at times.
There are just too many people out there through the years who have the same story as the family about blocking and being shut out for it not to be factual.
Something was not right about the way Michael's team handled access to him.
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You're Good Im put your Post in my Journal. Keep up the Good Work.
 
Vici said:
Karen said on her facebook that Michael told HER that Grace and Raymone controlled Mj and blocked her out. But he called her personally to join him on This Is It.

Hm.
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Ok, so lemme get this straight.

You saying, Karen Faye in her own words on facebook "unbeknowing" to her have corroborated the theory of this thread about Blockin from Team MJ?

If thats the case, then its further proof this theory is on point. Not saying at all Karen Faye has divulged the complete facts or truths about her being fired.

Moth2aFlame, thanks so much for your compliments. Glad you are part of this thread.
 
moddie i beg to differ on that point. karen faye was FIRED by michael. she knows and and everyone else knew it too. let's just say when u post things online, they don't stay secret and he's got family who know their way around the internet. he's not dumb, either. he knew what she was saying and she got fired.


don't compare karen fake to the family cuz she ain't
 
Soso Deaf said:
moddie i beg to differ on that point. karen faye was FIRED by michael. she knows and and everyone else knew it too. let's just say when u post things online, they don't stay secret and he's got family who know their way around the internet. he's not dumb, either. he knew what she was saying and she got fired.


don't compare karen fake to the family cuz she ain't
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Hey soso deaf, I understand what you are saying. I completely know and believe Karen Faye was fired by Michael, just like Raymone was but both have tried to deny it, causing so many fights and confusion online among fans in the past.

My point was only that Karen Faye allegedly brought "blockin" to the attention of those fans who corresponded with her.
 
she only said that cuz she doesn't want to admit the damn truth. the truth is, she was fired. so she wasn't blocked from him b/c of grace. she was blocked b/c she was fired.
 
I believe you so so deaf, I've heard some very unflattering things about Karen Faye from older fans who use to have contact with her. They no longer wish to have anything to do with her, when they found out what they called was her "true colors".

Since Grace was well Known to Block everybody I guess Karen felt by accusing her of doing that to her, everyone would automatically assume it to be fact. And to think, these two use to be buddies at some point( i heard).
 
what has karen done wrong... can someone spell it out please

what stuff did she put online about MJ after the trial?
 
there's 15 pages...and on several pages people have said it. i implore u to look there....but alas....*sighs*

she talked crap when mj didn't take her w/ him to bahrain. she was verynasty and she liked to collect fans as her own. it was sick. seeing her go out at the ranch to meet w/ fans and take gifts from them for her. it was just sad.

and she was very posessive. grace as well so there were bound to be issues between the two. she's basicallylying saying grace and raymone kept her from mj when she knows all along mj found out abou ther shit talking and fired her
 
Michael had a history of firing and rehiring people. Karen Faye was hired for the THIS IS IT tour. She was also at the funeral and I wouldn't be surprised if she was not involved in preparing his body for viewing by the family.
 
Vici said:
Karen said on her facebook that Michael told HER that Grace and Raymone controlled Mj and blocked her out. But he called her personally to join him on This Is It.

Hm.
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Wow....
Grace had that kind of power.
 
Soso Deaf said:
no black folk.


and mj 'hired'her back for a reason, so sad and pathetic on her part since she likes to claim she's a working makeup artist and all....really um...yea
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Trying to understand your reply to my post? Are you saying nanny Grace put in place the none black crooks and creeps around MJ? I've heard for years, she had planted the black security detail around Michael. Is that wrong?

About Karen Faye, why was she rehired if in fact she was? Your reply suggest it wasn't about make-up which leads me to think, it was for adult gratification? Please correct a sista if a sista is wrong...

Just trying to get it?
 
ew wtf? hell naw he ain't tappin that ass! omg

it was cochran who introduced the nation into mj's life. he used them for security so mj did. he also did it for oj's case.

grace trusted raymone and honestly i think she was shocked when she duped both her and mj.

check ur pm and i'll tell u about fake
 
Soso Deaf said:
no black folk.


and mj 'hired'her back for a reason, so sad and pathetic on her part since she likes to claim she's a working makeup artist and all....really um...yea
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i don't get why youre constantly slamming Karen

ive read back all the posts on this thread (like you asked me to ) and i see nothing

yes she was fired. but that doesnt mean she did anything wrong. MJ hired, fired rehired all the time... it cant have been that bad if she was rehired

you keep saying she was spreading stuff about MJ cos she wasnt taken to bahrain etc etc yet you dont say what that stuff was?

i just dont get the constant insults.. it sounds strange to me. youre not giving us any facts

Tm=Mez was i guess was technically fired after the trial.. does that mean MJ didnt like him anymore? he just had no use for him... he hired other layers after T mez.. does that mean we should all go round saying "yeh he fired him, hes an idiot.. he must have done things wrong"?
 
MJJ2theMAX said:
i don't get why youre constantly slamming Karen

ive read back all the posts on this thread (like you asked me to ) and i see nothing

yes she was fired. but that doesnt mean she did anything wrong. MJ hired, fired rehired all the time... it cant have been that bad if she was rehired

you keep saying she was spreading stuff about MJ cos she wasnt taken to bahrain etc etc yet you dont say what that stuff was?

i just dont get the constant insults.. it sounds strange to me. youre not giving us any facts

Tm=Mez was i guess was technically fired after the trial.. does that mean MJ didnt like him anymore? he just had no use for him... he hired other layers after T mez.. does that mean we should all go round saying "yeh he fired him, hes an idiot.. he must have done things wrong"?
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there's a difference from fired and no longer needed. u don't need a criminal defense lawyer on ur payroll unless ur mob. a makeup 'artist' is a different story

karen said stupid things.blamed and bashed michael w/ regards to mjjsource etc....and she also talked about him, behind his back, so she thought.

she was brought b ack b/c he loved her etc...she was brought back b/c she was the only one who agreed to work up front w/o pay until the concerts actually started...hence she wasn't being paid. no other arist would've accepted that so eh

sorry im not in the karen faye fan club. she doesn't deserve fans nor does she need them. someone should've told her that during the trial. it was gross

thenshe came to MJJF and went at the owner and her sister w/ mad disrespect, thinking, well im turkle, i can do what i want...WRONG her ass was shut down in a nyc minute.

talk about being gobsmacked. sorry but ain't no one recognize her outside of the mj community...shows how 'famous' she is. it's just odd....she liked being near mj cuz of what she got out of it. not cuz she l iked her job.

opportunist
 
This is almost indentical to the same ish I heard about karen faye, years ago from other fans who once befriended and liked her.

You call her an opportunist, unfortunately she is no different from the others who were around Michael during that time. They all betrayed him one way or another ( i am speaking of raymone, grace and karen).

Like I said in another thread, with friends like these who needs enemies?
 
Yeh i remember hearing s** bout karen faye yrs ago, but wasnt sure whether 2 belive it or not. To be honset i still kinda dont..i don know what 2 belive anymore
 
lol they all suck. can't u see that?

ortega
dileo
rowe (leo)
faye

not one person had his best interest in mind. kenny would make money from the shows. so would frank. rowe wanted to make money and didn't care if he messed up mj's deal w/ aeg and faye...well she wasn't being paid yet so she had to get him to do shows so she could get paid

look, she can say all the bullshit she wants on her facebook...makes no difference. she still did nothing. so fans can fawn all over her pathetic self but they need to realize that she's no b etter than anyone that was in his day to day life. she 'let him down' and there's no taking that back
 
I remember everything that went down with Karen Faye and MJJsource, I also remember all the arguments people were having with her on MJJF...
 
Soso Deaf said:
ew wtf? hell naw he ain't tappin that ass! omg
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He and Karen were rumoured to be having some form of relationship around the Bad video time. There were pictures circulating of them hugging.Then again Michael brushing his teeth would have made headlines at the time too!
 
Oh now I might have my answer why I could not go with MJ to the theatre in 2006. But I am not sure about it.
 
no it was karen after mj. her pathetic self. just married and ran off w/ mj on a tour. it was sad.

oh like she said i had to sit on mj's lap so i could put the makeup on. wtf?
 
MichaelsBlackPanther79 said:
I remember everything that went down with Karen Faye and MJJsource, I also remember all the arguments people were having with her on MJJF...
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not just people,the owner and her sister as well. straight up disrespect cuz no one kissed her ass. sorry babe but u ain't mj. u aint even a jackson. u aint important. not in my world. lol she didn't like that peopelweren't fawning over her.

hell she even had mj fans mad at mike cuz he 'left his good friend' and went to bahrain. :bugeyed
 
Wow soso Deaf, seems like everything you describing about Karen Faye, I had heard too, but it's been so long I almost forgot. And I guess, most fans just didn't know these things unless the had personal experiences with her and knew other fans who did.

Tsk, Tsk, not only did Michael have a history of hiring crooks who only looked out for themselves but it would now seem, he hired women who acted unstable, irrational and territorial over him, they went far beyond being protective. Look like more than one had the hots for him in recent years.

And what do both women have in common? ...................Neither one could have him the way they wanted, so one throws a hissy fit within the fan community while the other plots and blocks.

The best overall thing for their employer and his kids apparently wasn't a facture as it appears these 2 thought only of themselves and their selfish needs.
 
I remember karen as turkle coming on mjjf when I was a idifferent poster name but I didn't know that she got down like that. woah.

Btw who was trish's sister? was it a poster on the board if not, never mind. lol I remember those good ol days with phatfan and doo doo news. lol and spank. They had me laughing all the time.
 
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