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MJ CLINICALLY DEAD Long Before Medical Help Turned Up at His LA home.

he didnt' want him to die.....unless he wanted to spend the next 15 years in jail. maybe he didn't care enough but no one wants someone in their care to die
 
i read that the room was sweltering hot because michael complained of always feeling cold, so they would increase the heat
 
with murray i believe anything and everything should be examined. he wasnt exactly the most holy of doctors by all accounts. and i dont necessarily believe it was intentional but theres always neglience of duty and care, which would certainly be applicable if the reports are true about what happened
 
Although this is NOTW, most of the info we have from various sources point towards Michael having been dead for a while. Just why that was the case ( either deliberately not doing anything or complete and utter negligence and panic on Murrays part) is what I want to know.

It really makes me feel sick to think of the children and staff downstairs going about their business all the while Michael had gone :(
 
Aengil said:
Chernoff didn't say Murray didn't have a working cell phone. He has never claimed that Murray didn't have a working cell phone. To my knowledge no-one has ever said that Murray didn't have a working cell phone. It is not correct to say Murray lied about not having a phone at all. Is that clear enough?

What Chernoff said was that Murray didn't use his cell phone because he didn't know the address, and he didn't use the landline phones because they didn't work.

i.e. Murray wasn't lying about having a cell phone. Lying about not knowing the address, yes, lying about the landline phones not working, quite possibly, but he hasn't lied about having a cell phone. Hence, finding out he was making phone calls on his cell phone earlier doesn't contradict what he's said.

That's all.
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ok....lemme see....

he didn't call 911 immediately. two excuses. he didn't have a phone and he didn't know the address. no one is saying he didn't say he didn' thave a cell phone. he said there was no WORKING PHONE in the room at all. doesn't that mean he didn't have HIS on him and the one in the room was not working?:doh:

he didn't call anyone by phone, he called security....25-30 mins later.emt's performed cpr at the house for another fourty minutes. mj was working on at the hospital for another hr before tod was called....

he didn't know the address? when u use a cell phone and call 911 they can pinpoint the cell tower u're near. when u call from a landline phone, the address automatically shows up.

why, on God's green earth, would there be a phone in the room if it was not working?

mj said he was feeling HOT on one side of his body Cold on teh other. not that he was feeling hot all over. i think the fires were lit to keep him warm. to make everyone think he had just found mj.

u got a guy who has two employees, sisters, who went to a storage facility to remove boxes....one sister says they (her and her sister) removed boxes full of old syringes....the other sister says she was not there and did not go go the storage facility.

that call was made at 9:27 am....the call for help was made around noon ish, 1230....so if he found mj and knew he was already dead, called his employees to remove records and have them destroyed, pretended to continue to monitor mj until he coul dbe sure his staff was done, then made 'attempts' to save mj....it gave him a lot of time to think of how to cover this up.


and the reason y the raids in houston and las vegas weren't done on the same day is b/c the lv da needed more info on it and the dea was slow acting so that meant the raid in tx happened first. they initially wanted to do them at the same time.

but if they can prove he destroyed things, that'll automatically either move it from manslaughter to murder two or add a few charges along w/ manslaughter
 
FRANK FIRST TOLD MARLON THAT MICHAEL TOLD HIM HE DID NOT FEEL WEL THAT NIGHT! " according to Marlon first interview after 24 of the death" BUT FRANK DID NOT MENTION THIS LATER EVER.

THEN PHILIPS AND FRANK WERE IN THE HOSPITAL BEFORE KATHRIEN?????

if anything was innocent they would say the doctor" let say while in the hospital" called them and asked them to come....not A FAN !!!
 
Soso Deaf said:
ok....lemme see....

he didn't call 911 immediately. two excuses. he didn't have a phone and he didn't know the address. no one is saying he didn't say he didn' thave a cell phone. he said there was no WORKING PHONE in the room at all. doesn't that mean he didn't have HIS on him and the one in the room was not working?:doh:

he didn't call anyone by phone, he called security....25-30 mins later.emt's performed cpr at the house for another fourty minutes. mj was working on at the hospital for another hr before tod was called....

he didn't know the address? when u use a cell phone and call 911 they can pinpoint the cell tower u're near. when u call from a landline phone, the address automatically shows up.

why, on God's green earth, would there be a phone in the room if it was not working?

mj said he was feeling HOT on one side of his body Cold on teh other. not that he was feeling hot all over. i think the fires were lit to keep him warm. to make everyone think he had just found mj.

u got a guy who has two employees, sisters, who went to a storage facility to remove boxes....one sister says they (her and her sister) removed boxes full of old syringes....the other sister says she was not there and did not go go the storage facility.

that call was made at 9:27 am....the call for help was made around noon ish, 1230....so if he found mj and knew he was already dead, called his employees to remove records and have them destroyed, pretended to continue to monitor mj until he coul dbe sure his staff was done, then made 'attempts' to save mj....it gave him a lot of time to think of how to cover this up.


and the reason y the raids in houston and las vegas weren't done on the same day is b/c the lv da needed more info on it and the dea was slow acting so that meant the raid in tx happened first. they initially wanted to do them at the same time.

but if they can prove he destroyed things, that'll automatically either move it from manslaughter to murder two or add a few charges along w/ manslaughter
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Exactly. Don't make no sense. The DEA was definitely acting slow. Not sure about the LAPD but everybody has been acting tortoise to this. I'm still curious as to why they didn't do a thorough search of the house initially. That's what got me confused.
 
Ohood said:
FRANK FIRST TOLD MARLON THAT MICHAEL TOLD HIM HE DID NOT FEEL WEL THAT NIGHT! " according to Marlon first interview after 24 of the death" BUT FRANK DID NOT MENTION THIS LATER EVER.

THEN PHILIPS AND FRANK WERE IN THE HOSPITAL BEFORE KATHRIEN?????

if anything was innocent they would say the doctor" let say while in the hospital" called them and asked them to come....not A FAN !!!
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I thought it was Jermaine. :blink:
 
DR.Death did not get his payment from Michael for two months and he has many financial troubles . this could be a motivation for the crime
 
Aengil said:
Chernoff didn't say Murray didn't have a working cell phone. He has never claimed that Murray didn't have a working cell phone. To my knowledge no-one has ever said that Murray didn't have a working cell phone. It is not correct to say Murray lied about not having a phone at all. Is that clear enough?

What Chernoff said was that Murray didn't use his cell phone because he didn't know the address, and he didn't use the landline phones because they didn't work.

i.e. Murray wasn't lying about having a cell phone. Lying about not knowing the address, yes, lying about the landline phones not working, quite possibly, but he hasn't lied about having a cell phone. Hence, finding out he was making phone calls on his cell phone earlier doesn't contradict what he's said.

That's all.
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That is NOT all. It makes not one particle of SENSE to say one does not use a cell-phone because one does not know the address. That's like bears and bananas, and makes NO sense, to anyone. Not knowing the address is not a reason not to use ANY phone to call 911. He could have simply said, "Michael JACKSON is not breathing and send help to his HOUSE." EMTs could have easily found the address. Plus, if Murray could yell downstairs to "send up Prince," he could just as well have called downstairs to say, "What is the "f xxxxx ing" address of this HOUSE!"

Whether or not one is a doctor, if you find someone not breathing, you call for HELP. If you know CPR, you do it, but you also YELL for help immediately. There was a houseful of people, just downstairs, for cripes sake! At the very least, Murray is guilty of extreme negligence in every respect I can think of. Even a three-year-old child is capable of using a phone. . any phone. . and dialing 911. If it's a three-year-old child, they will try to trace the call while simultaneously asking the child for ANYTHING the child might know about location. Simply saying, "Michael Jackson's house" would have been enough. I think Murray is far worse than an idiot, but him saying he didn't use a phone (cell phone or other) because he didn't know the address is. . .. .insane.

For God's sake, let's not go around about this again!

moving right along,

Vic
 
I think it will be a long time until the real truth comes out. Maybe 6 months or a year.
 
Ugh. I always suspected that Michael died at his house. Murray freaked out and didn't know what to do. He probably would've shoved his body in the closet and not tell anybody just to save his a**...........jerk. He did not care about Michael.
 
troubleman84 said:
^^ Well I must be hearing two stories because someone said that Jermaine was informed too about Michael's condition.
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Essence.com Exclusive! Marlon Jackson speaks to Roland S. Martin about the death of his brother, Michael Jackson

Essence.com blogger Roland S. Martin talks with Marlon Jackson, brother of Michael Jackson and a member of the Jackson 5, about the death of his younger brother, the King of Pop.

Marlon, how did you find out about Michael’s death?

“I talked to Frank Dileo, Michael’s manager. Frank told me that Michael last night was complaining about not feeling well. He called to tell him he wasn’t feeling well.

“Michael’s doctor went over to see him, and Frank said, ‘Marlon, from last night to this morning, I don’t know what happened.’ When they got to him this morning, he wasn’t breathing. They rushed him to the hospital and couldn’t bring him around. That’s what happened. They don’t know what happened.”

When was the last time you saw Michael?

“It was May 14 at a family gathering. I had just gotten back from Africa. Michael looked great. He was looking well. He was getting ready to go into rehearsals for his tour. I don’t know what happened.”

There were some reports he wasn’t feeling well and was in a wheelchair.

“He wasn’t in a wheelchair. He was walking around with his kids. When we saw him he wasn’t in a wheelchair. We all talked. He was doing great.”

Was that the last time you spoke with him?

“May 14 was the last time I spoke with him. The last time I saw him.”

Have you talked to any of your other family members about his death?
“I’ve been trying to get a hold of my mom. I talked to Jackie. I talked to Tito. They feel the same way. A piece of our heart, a piece of us went with him. It was a shock to them, too. I talked to my brother, Jackie, and he said, ‘Marlon, is it true?’ I said, ‘I’m calling them right now to see if its true. That when I called Frank Dileo and I couldn’t get to my mom. I talked to him the first time and he was at the house and my mom was in the background crying, and was just upset.”

Was Michael still at the house?

“Michael had passed. Frank told me, ‘We lost him.’

And you said a doctor saw him last night, but he didn’t see a need to take him to the hospital?

“He didn’t take him to the hospital. This morning he wasn’t breathing and they rushed him to the hospital. He was going to be 51 in August. Gone too soon.”

Marlon, it’s amazing to look at the reaction from all over the world. People are at the hospital, at the Jackson family home in Gary, Indiana, at his star on the Wall of Fame.

“I never knew the effect the Jackson 5 had on people until I began traveling with (Major Broadcasting) network, and people would say our songs were the reason for them getting married. Me and my brothers did what we did because we loved it. That’s the way we thought. I’m happy that we did get a chance to just bring happiness to everybody, and Michael took it to another level to bring people happiness. He cared about people a lot.

“Michael was known all over the world, and that’s why people care, and it’s nice to see that people care. Not only did they grow up with my brother, but they grew up with the Jackson 5. They care, they care. He’s going to be missed. He’s definitely going to be missed. We are always going to remember him. We cannot forget him.”

I hear the comparisons to Elvis Presley and people looking to him a generation later. I know it’s very soon after the death of Michael, but should something like Graceland be established so the next generation is aware of Michael’s impact?

“He’s going to live on. He has left a legacy and it’s going to be forever, and I really feel that in my heart. I want people to concentrate on those things that he did for people. He did a lot of positive things. He’s going to live forever. I’m going to miss him. The memories, all the great things he has done, and my family is going to miss him. It’s hard. It’s really hard for us right now.”

For the world he was the King of Pop. But for you, he was your younger brother.

"And that’s the way we saw him, as a younger brother. It’s like when anyone else loses their family member. It hurts. It hurts right now. It really hurts.”

http://essence.typepad.com/news/2009/06/es...er-michael.html
 
Ohood said:
no , it was Marlon...Jermine is a friend with Franks first enemy Dr.Tohme.
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well i wouldn't call someone who came forward and gave BACK millions of dollars that no one knew about, an enemy.

if anything, it looks as though mj was doing fine when tohme was there. it was when Frank came in and FIRED everyone, (lee chase tohme) that mj started the downfall and then he tried bringing them back but it was too late.

and timmy, i think the lapd is trying hard in this one. all the leaks may look like it's hurting the doc right now but every leak is helping him. SO they need to make sure they have a damn iron clad case against him and others and i think that's what they're doing. hence, the reason for asking the coronor to keep mum on the results until they're done w/ the investigation
 
well then if it's a lie then y won't someone speak up and say he is not speaking on katherine's request or on the behalf of the family.
 
i don't know whether or not this was murder, but I do think that what happened was that Michael died and Murray and Dileo freaked out and didn't know what to do for the 2.5 hours he was probably dead. They were probably in shock, I mean MICHAEL jackson is dead. Big shock, probably even for them. That or Michael knew things about them and he had them that he didn't like idk. This is all way to weird.
 
People have a tendency to flunk classes when dealing with anybody who's a "Jackson". You ever notice how these so-called bright and educated folks act stupid around celebrities?
 
Well, normally as soon as I'd see the words "News of the World" I'd just leave the thread, but I had a dream last week that Michael had died sometime shortly before 10am (like 9:45-ish). I know that doesn't amount to much (a dream, I mean), but it felt weirdly real. This won't surprise me at all if true. Guess we'll find out. Well, we're assuming we'll found out the truth. I hope we will...
 
Soso Deaf said:
well then if it's a lie then y won't someone speak up and say he is not speaking on katherine's request or on the behalf of the family.
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Katherine already spoke up about it in a phone call to Geraldo's show several weeks ago, she denied that Hoefflin is authorized to speak for her. This probably came about after the family and their attorneys learned of Hoefflin's crazy antics and prior 5150's with the LAPD special Threat Assessment Unit.
 
Weeks ago, when It was first reported how Murray's 2 employees were seen and clocked in at the storage unit at 9:22am the morning of June 25th, taking out boxes( to destroy key Evidence, imo), I knew then, Murray knew Michael was already dead at that hour, if Michael wasn't dead then, Murray knew he would be in just a few short minutes from then.

Having the 2 Employee's at the storage unit at 9:22am should speak volumes to any law official investigating Michael's death.

Of course he was already gone when paramedics were called and when they arrived. We knew that.
 
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