Nurse Cherilyn Lee Is a Liar and Possible Supporter of Dr. Murder Murray

[troubleman84]

Well the way Ms. Lee is presenting the story is almost like Michael was begging for the drug even though she doesn't say it. Even with the videos, it make it seem like Mike was dying for the sh*t despite her saying "it's dangerous!" And if no one else was willing to do it and yet Murray was? Something got lost in the matrix.

 

[kasume]

Well the way Ms. Lee is presenting the story is almost like Michael was begging for the drug even though she doesn't say it. Even with the videos, it make it seem like Mike was dying for the sh*t despite her saying "it's dangerous!" And if no one else was willing to do it and yet Murray was? Something got lost in the matrix.

She did say it. She said Michael "begged" and that he was "desperate, so desperate" that he would do anything for it.

She was probably told to say it like that so people will have a higher chance of believing he was an addict.

 

[troubleman84]

^^ I don't know about her being told to say it. If she really cared for dude, she would've said "hell naw". Are people that boneless?

 

[SoS]

He would NOT say that right after a major health-scare. I just can't imagine that he would request to be "knocked out with some of that stuff." He was NOT an idiot. He wouldn't on-the-one-hand request advice about vitamins and nutrition (health-conscious) and then take such a dangerous drug. Michael had a lot of medical knowledge. It was an interest of his, and there are reports that he bought medical books when "book-shopping." He had an extensive library, and was very intelligent. I think that discussion with Cheryln about Propofol NEVER HAPPENED! Think about it? Some people have suggested he used it in the past, on tour. If so, he KNEW what it was, and knew the risks. He'd have no need to ask Cheryln anything about it. Another thing, I'm nearly positive that he owned a PDR. Why wouldn't he? I mean. . drugs? A PDR is a physician's bible, and has a lot of drug information. I repeat, Michael was NOT an idiot!

The Propofol may have been what killed him, but I doubt he asked for it. I can't prove anything, but I do think that he was deliberately murdered, and that Murray will be the fall-guy. The mention of Propofol by Cheryln was probably to steer the investigation (and public opinion) in that way, putting the blame squarely on Murray, and not necessarily anyone else.

Remember at first, "the leak" was that Michael had had an injection of Demerol? And then that possibility conveniently went away?

And consider this? What if there was a larger plot here (and I think there was). What if Murray was told by. . . whoever. . . .that "sure, the Propofol will never be found and you'll be in the clear." And then it either was found, or Murray, too, was set up.

Clear as mud.

I have spent so much time physically clapping at this post I can't move on to reading the rest of the thread!! :wild: and that's the truth! :lmao:

All of you are using your heads, thank us. That's all we really can ask of eachother. Thank you God for a thing called Love. This is spiritual warfare.

The battle is not ours, its The Lord's. Meanwhile, the truth is ours to seek and we shall find.

 

[SoS]

Well the way Ms. Lee is presenting the story is almost like Michael was begging for the drug even though she doesn't say it. Even with the videos, it make it seem like Mike was dying for the sh*t despite her saying "it's dangerous!" And if no one else was willing to do it and yet Murray was? Something got lost in the matrix.

yeh 'she said it Ralph" (i know u remember that commercial ... 'u ate it Ralph' rotfl yes she did tho and i remember the emphasis on begged, she said it more than once in the interview I'm remembering, but then, she's been on so many shows ... that one u saw may have had a diff intv for sure

She did say it. She said Michael "begged" and that he was "desperate, so desperate" that he would do anything for it.

Now I don't recall her using the word desperate but she definitely got that point across

She was probably told to say it like that so people will have a higher chance of believing he was an addict.

exactly

 

[SoS]

And we must also keep in mind that Michael himself kept saying he felt there was a conspiracy. He never stopped believing this. He is singing about it in "Unbreakable."

Now, he has mysteriously passed away in a mansion manned by security guards and non-working telephone land lines?

He had a doctor living on site who would not take him to the hospital during a sign of illness and would not immediately call 911 during a sign of total distress.

If Michael had stopped breathing inside of a hospital, the words Code Blue would have been loudly coming over the intercom.

This doctor would not even sign off on the death certificate following Michael's death and then there is this nurse that is violating the Privacy Act via television for all to witness.

I think it is high time that members of law enforcement start looking into what Michael had been saying. He was not dilusional.

He was a hands-on dad caring for three young children. He was taking them to work so they could get a feel of what he does for a living and see it with their own eyes. He was working on his music in a recording studio. He was working on a huge concert. He was directly involved in picking the dancers. He was directly involved in designing the staging and theme for the concert. He was working directly with individuals that were getting his finances squared away. He was looking just a gorgeous as ever. He was smiling and laughing. He was interacting with his fans. He was out visting art festivals, shopping for art pieces. He was taking his children to book stores, the movies, the circus and all these other places that are fun.

In short, he was not acting like a drug addict and he sure was not looking like someone that had given up on their life. Michael was gearing up. The night before he passed away, he had told Kenny Ortega he'd see him tomorrow.

It seems like in addition to looking into Dr. Murray, the investigators should also be looking for other people to tie into this thing along with Dr. Murray.

Everything - Period point blank PERIOD.

They have really underestimated the love we have for Michael,

Yes and they have seriously underestimated everything - as usual. The were too busy weighing the money.

I think it is high time that members of law enforcement start looking into what Michael had been saying. He was not dilusional.

I feel they will have no choice when enough questions get asked by enough people enough times of the right people and I feel sure the Jacksons are not going to just let this go, not Joe, not Katherine, not Rebbbie, not Janet ... to name a few so no ... they will not get away with this.

 

[kasume]

Now I don't recall her using the word desperate but she definitely got that point across

she said he was desperate in this video below right at the beginning

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mnV2mrAM6l8

From watching this vid, she said he called her in April asking for the drug. And she said Michael told her that his doctor assured him the drug was safe. I wonder which doctor told Michael that since Murray wasn't hired until May.

I also find it strange when she said Michael wouldn't tell her who the doctor was that assured him diprivan was safe, like there's something to hide there. I'm thinking Lee said that because there was no doctor to tell him the drug was safe in the first place. There would be no reason for Michael not to give her the name of the doctor.

That interview seems like one big lie.

I think it is high time that members of law enforcement start looking into what Michael had been saying. He was not dilusional.

"They wanna get my ass dead or alive.." MJ

That's right. How could he be dilusional but speak such hard cold truth?

 

[parli123]

It is coverup after coverup and everyone is covering up for someone. It is like a tangled web. The more you try to put 2 and 2 together you keep getting 5. However, There are main Players. Murray maybe a scapegoat, but you have the infamous Dr Klein. Then you Have AEG and Sony who wanted Michael dead or alive..Then you have this nurse who is talking a load of rubbish and why? It is all to cover up this bad deed they did to Michael. We still do not know what the LAPD has but I guess we will be able to know soon. I am quite sure the Family will not let this rest as they know that Michael was murdered. We have to try and do our part, because he loved us with all his heart..We made him smile and he loved us in return..

 

[Soso Deaf]

I have a question for you.

You are obviously close to Michael. Do you know anything concrete about Michael using or nor using this drug and if so what exactly do you know about it?

I do believe Michael used this method of sleep in the past during tours (but only during tours). I feel this is one of the main reason he did not like to tour. He knew what he had to do to his body in order to perform at the level expected from him. The difference is he had an Anesthesiologist which I am sure had all the proper equipment.

mike's had sleep issues for yrs. a lot of artists do when they tour, but he had them even when he wasn't touring.

he was a night owl, always up,working, conceptualizing, getting ideas that prevented him from sleeping. that's y u would see him out sometimes and he'd look out of it. it was sleep deprivation.

mj had a pill problem. once ur an addict, ur always an addict. even if u never use again. he went to rehab, got straighted out, but i think the pressures of life got to him. the pain he had, physically, was a lot. but imagine mentally!

i do think he enlisted help w/his sleep issues. i don't think murray did this on purpose. he had one job to do and that was to keep mj happy. do that and he's rolling in the big bucks

HOWEVER, maybe whomever hired him knew mj wasn't the ordinary patient, knew murray was in over his head, and waited for this to happen. there's extreme negligence on teh part of the doctors as well as his 'friends' who were workingw/ him at the time.

faye, ortega, dileo, murray all had a chance to help him. all did nothing. klien, they all suck. and it looks to be that murray will be the one taking the fall for everything.

i think, in this case, lee is genuine. the police wouldn't spen all this money chasing ghosts. propofol was found or else, y r they looking for MORE? u can't look for more if u had none.

 

[mischief]

I think she was just after her five seconds of fame. A "kiss and teller" who took full advantage of the fact that the dead can't talk to dispute it and she safely got her brief moment in the spotlight out of it.

 

[Autumn II]

I think she was just after her five seconds of fame. A "kiss and teller" who took full advantage of the fact that the dead can't talk to dispute it and she safely got her brief moment in the spotlight out of it.

And probably a book-deal soon to follow. My bad?

 

[mischief]

And probably a book-deal soon to follow. My bad?

...and Playboy

 

[LindaC781]

Now wait just a cotton-picking second. Cherilyn Lee came out with this only because if SHE didn't, someone else who was close to her would! I believe her. I believe this happened. And don't go blaming the NURSE, blame the DOCTOR who WROTE the prescription. Cherilyn should be named a HERO, cause SHE WAS THE ONLY ONE who said "NO".

You guys have hit a new low with this accusation. Unbelievable.

 

[troubleman84]

I don't know or even think I buy that she lied, I'm just curious to how she went to the press. The timeline is confusing.

 

[Soso Deaf]

u know, the ONE who is trying ot make money is the dr. butkooo or whatever her name is. the one from london saying mj offered her half a duece to get drugs for him in london. please....she would've taken him up on that offer in a second...didja see her weave?

ugh

 

[SoS]

Now wait just a cotton-picking second. Cherilyn Lee came out with this only because if SHE didn't, someone else who was close to her would! I believe her. I believe this happened. And don't go blaming the NURSE, blame the DOCTOR who WROTE the prescription. Cherilyn should be named a HERO, cause SHE WAS THE ONLY ONE who said "NO".

You guys have hit a new low with this accusation. Unbelievable.

if she's telling the truth ... and I have no doubt there is definitely some truth in what she's saying .. then ..

1. why didn't she go to the police instead of TV ? I don't want anyone saying "we don't know that she didn't" because they asked her if she went to the police and she said no. Ms. Lee said she chose to come forward after the 2nd autopsy.

2. why is it the police originally said "no red flags" were found at the death scene - but after Ms. Lee's TV appearances the po-po go back and find a HOSPITAL drug

I say she may be telling the gospel truth - BUT - (or AND) there's a LIE in there SOMEWHERE

 

[Soso Deaf]

they went to what they thought was mike's room. would it make sense the dr moved M to his room instead of bringing over things to help M? so they searched M's room and didnt' find anything. no reason, at the time, to suspect murray.

then murray told them where to look and it was hidden away in the closet of the room people say was his.

there's a reason y they took brain matter to test it. there's a reason y they did an extensive tox. THIS COLD'VE BEEN A PLANT BUT if they find that he's used propofol before then this still could've been a plant, but it would show that he's used it before.

they can tell the extent he's used, when he stopped, what he used, and if he's over had an overdose. so whatever they've found from the tox leads me to believe it was propofol.

how random is it that klien's used it in minor treatments while working on mike? i mean, that's random as hell

 

[kasume]

I say she may be telling the gospel truth - BUT - (or AND) there's a LIE in there SOMEWHERE

I also think she's mixing truths with lies. Without any truths, she wouldn't be believable.

This is something I noticed while watching one of her interviews. She says that when she tried to have Michael read the symptoms of diprivan in the book, he was too busy with the DVD, looking at something else. But then a moment later she suddenly switches and says, they were having a meal together. And in other interviews too, she mentioned they were having a meal and that's why she had to read it herself to Michael. I find it strange that only in this interview, she mentions that he was too busy with a DVD, looking at something else. She covered her 'different story' very quickly though.

She starts talking about showing him the book at 6:00
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2E07xaMkIjg&feature=related

 

[Kizmic]

The thing about his pills though..

He suffered from lupus. He also had vitiligo but lupus would cause him physical pain. Some people may look at him like an addict because they themselves don't understand how lupus feels but he may have been in incredible pain without medications.


What are the Symptoms of Lupus

Because lupus can affect so many different organs, a wide range of symptoms can occur. These symptoms may come and go, and different symptoms may appear at different times during the course of the disease.

The most common symptoms of lupus, which are the same for females and males, are:

* extreme fatigue (tiredness)
* headaches
* painful or swollen joints
* fever
* anemia (low numbers of red blood cells or hemoglobin, or low total blood volume)
* swelling (edema) in feet, legs, hands, and/or around eyes
* pain in chest on deep breathing (pleurisy)
* butterfly-shaped rash across cheeks and nose
* sun- or light-sensitivity (photosensitivity)
* hair loss
* abnormal blood clotting
* fingers turning white and/or blue when cold (Raynaud’s phenomenon)
* mouth or nose ulcers

Many of these symptoms occur in other illnesses besides lupus. In fact, lupus is sometimes called "the great imitator" because its symptoms are often like the symptoms of rheumatoid arthritis, blood disorders, fibromyalgia, diabetes, thyroid problems, Lyme disease, and a number of heart, lung, muscle, and bone diseases.

http://www.lupus.org/webmodules/web...nunderstanding.aspx?articleid=2235&zoneid=523

 

[Soso Deaf]

i understand the symptoms of lupus and wehn u put that w/ vitiligo and all of his ailments, thisman was in a lot of pain. but instead of heavily medicating him, he needed to be taught pain management. and if he wasn't, then it's easy to spiral into addiction, i would know, it happened to me.

so im thinking after his rehab, he started dealing w/ the pain but remember, he broke his leg, his vetebrea in his back, it was painful. plus mental anguish of the world attacking him, that's a lot to deal w/.

i had to do a project in school that was about addictin quite a few yrs ago. there's a way to w/draw from opiates while being put in a medicated coma. it's not usually the prefered treatment for doctors b/c paitients who have been thru w/drawls while conscious have a better chance at NOT relapsing.

propofol is used to put patients to sleep while they go thru withdrawls. so that could be how he was able to obtain the drug.

lee has stopped the rounds. i don't see her doing anything else. that's just mho tho

 

[LindaC781]

if she's telling the truth ... and I have no doubt there is definitely some truth in what she's saying .. then ..

1. why didn't she go to the police instead of TV ? I don't want anyone saying "we don't know that she didn't" because they asked her if she went to the police and she said no. Ms. Lee said she chose to come forward after the 2nd autopsy.

2. why is it the police originally said "no red flags" were found at the death scene - but after Ms. Lee's TV appearances the po-po go back and find a HOSPITAL drug

I say she may be telling the gospel truth - BUT - (or AND) there's a LIE in there SOMEWHERE

Wanna know why #1? She probably did go to the police, but since they follow the letter of the law, a felony or crime was not committed or proven to be committed (there was a doctor in charge) so they didn't follow up on it.

2.) Police always say "no red flags". They are taught to say that, even if there were some. My brother-in-law, a cop, can attest to that. And who's to say she didn't go to the cops before this and they just didn't believe her????

 

[SoS]

they went to what they thought was mike's room. would it make sense the dr moved M to his room instead of bringing over things to help M? so they searched M's room and didnt' find anything. no reason, at the time, to suspect murray.

then murray told them where to look and it was hidden away in the closet of the room people say was his.

at this point, this makes NO sense to me AT ALL (not saying u'r explanation doesn't but) this sounds like some more COVERUP baloney to me - first of all - to answer the first question there, no it doesn't make sense to MOVE the patient just on its face and I imagine our resident medi-fans will jump in if they see fit to clarify why that might be so, but no, it does not make sense for the po-po to go looking anywhere except where their common sense would tell them to go looking since they are inviestigating a DRUG-RELATED (so they claim to think) MYSTERY...

the DOCTOR'S room, and the room of the person who mysteriously died - if - if - if they are investigating a "MYSTERIOUS DRUG-RELATED sudden death" am I incorrect here???

Doctor room + patient's room = maybe the po-po investigators would find some answers

there's a reason y they took brain matter to test it. there's a reason y they did an extensive tox.

I would say the reason why they did an extensive tox is because they had nothing conclusive from the preliminary medical examination.

THIS COLD'VE BEEN A PLANT BUT if they find that he's used propofol before then this still could've been a plant, but it would show that he's used it before.

they can tell the extent he's used, when he stopped, what he used, and if he's over had an overdose. so whatever they've found from the tox leads me to believe it was propofol.

I don't trust anything they say anymore. If they couldn't go in there on the first day of their investigation of this MYSTERIOUS DEATH

and find in THE CLOSET (whether the doctor's or the patient's closet) if they didn't find some weird looking, unidentifiable, milky white crapp in an IV bottle clearly belonging in a hospital I am having trouble believing any of this after the fact stuff.

how random is it that klien's used it in minor treatments while working on mike? i mean, that's random as hell

why is it random? he's a doctor who provides outpatient treatments as a matter of routine, what's really random about it, I don't see.

 

[LindaC781]

They did that extensive tox because of Propofol being very hard to detect in a body after death.

http://bulletin.aarp.org/yourhealth...n_spotlight_in_wake_of_highprofile_death.html

After his car crash, the Nebraska anesthesiologist, a father of four, spent 90 days at the Talbott addiction center and was disciplined by his state medical board. He was allowed to return to administering propofol in the operating room two months ago. He is monitored by counselors and takes daily drug tests, although propofol, experts point out, leaves the system too quickly for detection.

 

[SoS]

Wanna know why #1? She probably did go to the police, but since they follow the letter of the law, a felony or crime was not committed or proven to be committed (there was a doctor in charge) so they didn't follow up on it.

I understand that 'letter of the law' thing when you are asking the police to do something prior to the realization or commission of a crime - but they said no red flags were found after their initial investigation. If these cops went into a room in a mansion, saw that a doctor lived there, had a set-up like a hospital - that should have been enough of a red flag in itself - nevermind the fact that THAT would have led them to alert their superiors that there is a weird set up here - - those cops didn't know anything about Dr. Murray - he could have been Dr. Jeckyll for all they know - why wouldn't they say, "woah Bubba, come mere and look at this here I.V. pole ...

I even will go so far as to say even if the Dr. "cleaned up" real good, the scenario still probably would have to have a sense that something's not right afterall, the police are trained to look with the naked eye, for things a person in a panic would not remember to think of ..

2.) Police always say "no red flags". They are taught to say that, even if there were some. My brother-in-law, a cop, can attest to that. And who's to say she didn't go to the cops before this and they just didn't believe her????

I'm not seeing any reason for considering anything other than what has been shown to us. They said they let it go because there were no red flags in the beginning and she said no she did not go to the cops when they asked her - - - I'm not getting all this GIVING of benefit of doubt here in this thread but mine is not to question that - but yes, I feel we have a definite right to question everything else.

 

[LindaC781]

I understand that 'letter of the law' thing when you are asking the police to do something prior to the realization or commission of a crime - but they said no red flags were found after their initial investigation. If these cops went into a room in a mansion, saw that a doctor lived there, had a set-up like a hospital - that should have been enough of a red flag in itself - nevermind the fact that THAT would have led them to alert their superiors that there is a weird set up here - - those cops didn't know anything about Dr. Murray - he could have been Dr. Jeckyll for all they know - why wouldn't they say, "woah Bubba, come mere and look at this here I.V. pole ...

I even will go so far as to say even if the Dr. "cleaned up" real good, the scenario still probably would have to have a sense that something's not right afterall, the police are trained to look with the naked eye, for things a person in a panic would not remember to think of ..
I'm not seeing any reason for considering anything other than what has been shown to us. They said they let it go because there were no red flags in the beginning and she said no she did not go to the cops when they asked her - - - I'm not getting all this GIVING of benefit of doubt here in this thread but mine is not to question that - but yes, I feel we have a definite right to question everything else.

Who knows? The police keep a lot of things "under their hats" until they are good and ready to release details to the press. For all we know, the police may have been and continue to hold back, because there's an active investigation. They also may have purposefully mislead the public. That's all I am saying.

When there is an investigation of this magnitude going on, you can be darned sure that we don't know half of the stuff that went on already. Nor do we really need to - until they are good and ready to name a suspect or suspects.

 

[SoS]

Well, the thing about this being an invistigative thread by a bunch of uninformed FANS pretty much speaks for itself right? I mean, why else would we be picking this apart like this.

With all due respect to the "official reports" etc. (which we may never ever know) I am really appreciating fans not leaving any stone unturned in trying to figure out what really happened to our Michael, I mean, that's why most of us are here.

Michael was in my life starting at age 8 in 1969 and here we are in 2009 and someone's telling me he just ain't here no more and that's because of wah wah wah wah wah ....and I'm just sposed to go, "oh ok" um .. I don't think so.

 

[LindaC781]

Well, the thing about this being an invistigative thread by a bunch of uninformed FANS pretty much speaks for itself right? I mean, why else would we be picking this apart like this.

With all due respect to the "official reports" etc. (which we may never ever know) I am really appreciating fans not leaving any stone unturned in trying to figure out what really happened to our Michael, I mean, that's why most of us are here.

Michael was in my life starting at age 8 in 1969 and here we are in 2009 and someone's telling me he just ain't here no more and that's because of wah wah wah wah wah ....and I'm just sposed to go, "oh ok" um .. I don't think so.

I wouldnt expect anyone to do that, SOS. I am as upset about this as anyone else. Someone needs to pay for this big time. And I am just stating what I know about law enforcement...they mislead the public all the time, especially during an active investigation...it's a pretty delicate balancing act they must do - releasing information but at the same time, not too much or blatantly wrong information....so that they can catch the people responsible..just so that they can do their police work in secrecy......feel free to continue to conjecture....

 

[SoS]

feel free to continue to conjecture....

I totally do lol with no apologies

hay, I for one, appreciate the opposite perspective, or even "the devil's advocate" for that matter because the weight of that offers balance in deciphering, speculating and conjecturing so by all means, it certainly has its place, that we might conjecture intelligently

but after the obvious facts and unknowns have been re-stated over and over, we have no choice but to look past the obvious, look past what they're not telling us, look past the whole aspect of 'waiting for official reports' and such, and figure this shhtuff out on our own ...

"They" are not going to give us anything and whatever "they" do give us at this point I can trust as far as I can see.

Now that the gentleman who was heading up the revamped LAPD has retired, its a little concerning that whoever they have to answer to now, may not be as committed to truth. Cops come in all varieties. Some of them are a smart as a stack of bricks. And some of them are as honest as a crack head in a candy shop.

 

[meena76]

Matthew 10:26
"Fear them not therefore: for there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; and hid that shall not be known."

Warning to all who are trying to keep the truth from us.

 

[LindaC781]

Matthew 10:26
"Fear them not therefore: for there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; and hid that shall not be known."

Warning to all who are trying to keep the truth from us.

They may be doing this for the general good. They will get the culprit or culprits in the end. Forensics take a long time....but the truth will prevail. You can count on it.