Atheist thread

Re: Athesit Thread version 2 (sorry K.O.S.:p).

Bolded part is not entirely true. I do infact listen to both sides because that is respectful and I have respect for people's right to an opinion. :) I know many people who believe, flat out dont, and those who are agnostic who all enjoy discussions on this subject where we each in turn listen and learn from each other.

Simple minds.

A Christian won't listen to logic and reason because their belief has nothing to do with reason OR logic. It is what feels right that counts for them. But they make one mistake. They engage in a scientific discussion and use science to prove their position. When you do that you will get reponses that deal with your arguments. If you can not deal with the fact that some people are more educated then you and have the ability to analyze your arguments, debunk them and correct them then you should not state your beliefs as logical or fact. This very important point is always ignored by apologetics like your self, who think you are mediating peace between people.

An atheist will not listen to a Christian because of their lack of evidence and lack of understanding about not only science, but language itself. They make words into what they want them to be and the call things evidence when they are not.

"I believe what I believe because I believe it and no evidence in the world can ever change my position, I am now gonna put a finger in both my ears and yell la la la la la, I can not hear you, la la la la la"

Childish behavior.
 
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Re: Athesit Thread version 2 (sorry K.O.S.:p).

This is not about differing beliefs now.

You have just proven how rude you are.

You never answered with logic and reason in a polite way. Your posts are littered with insults to but people down and make yourself feel in a higher position.

You act like you know everything when you actually don't.

''If you can not deal with the fact that some people are more educated then you'' Oh my gosh. How dare you?! How up yourself you are. You don't even know us. And from your posts its quite obvious you don't know about religion... and you think you are 'more educated'. Practically nothing you say regarding religion, that your are basing your resentment on is even true about religion.

You are talking absolute RUBBISH - ''Take responsibility for your lives and stop making excuses. Your actions and opinions have consequences for everyone. Time to wake up and smell the coffee. I did that years ago and I am now pissed off at how people let themselves be so gullible and naive.'' ?! haha How does religion contradict that?!?

You have a very skewed version of religion in your head. REALLY. It bares no resemblance to what I or other Christians and Catholics think, believe or live our lives.

Religion is not evil, it is about love. People may commit horrible acts in the name of religion, they are WRONG, that is the person not the religion.

I'm not in the US and I don't know what the Christians there are like, but I've never heard anyone say such a stupid thing.

Its nothing about 'lalala i dont want to hear you' LEAVE PEOPLE TO BELIEVE WHAT THEY WANT. STOP BEING SO ARROGANT.

I'm sure atheists wouldn't want to be represented by you. You don't give a very good impression of atheists.

You can't state your beliefs without insulting and disrespecting others.

You have no respect for other people. I'm baffled how you are a Michael Jackson fan because you are the total polar opposite.

It is NOT beliefs or religion which has caused this argument it is YOUR ATTITUDE.

Merry Christmas
 
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Re: Athesit Thread version 2 (sorry K.O.S.:p).

Could we merge this and the Agnostic/Atheist thread? Or change the title of this one so I can repost here, because agnostics and atheists are kind of related.

..or maybe we can keep this for atheists and I'll go sit in the other thread with agnostics if there are any. :D
 
Re: Athesit Thread version 2 (sorry K.O.S.:p).

Enough!

Take the personal issues to PM - Last warning

In MJJC we have both believers and atheists, and somehow we're all gonna have to find a way to co-exist with eachother...without taking shots at anyone who disagrees with our point of view

I always ask the atheists to stay away from the believers threads, and I'm gonna ask the religious ppl to do the same here; stay away from threads that challenge your core beliefs. You're only setting yourself up for hurt sensibilities and petty arguments.

It's simple here - don't play together; and if you absolutely have to - play nice.
 
Re: Athesit Thread version 2 (sorry K.O.S.:p).

I agree.

I was playing nice until thebob started with the personal insults. The arguments are due to his attitude and insults, not a difference in belief.
 
Re: Athesit Thread version 2 (sorry K.O.S.:p).

i REALLY REALLY admire your patience TheBob I would have quit this thread ages ago. When people just don't want to understand they don't and that's it.

To people saying "what do you believe in then?": i believe in myself in my power to make myslef better, acomplish my goals, help the ones who i can decently help, be a good husband, a good son a good father, and a great actor wich is what i want to be. And by making myself a good human being i help the society be better.

To People saying "how do you explain the begining of the world". Well right now there is a group o people called the evolution biologis who i know closely who are working their ASSES OFF day after day learning about life. Just the opposite as those "working" in churches making money on people's fears and weaknesses. So believers, PLEASE be just a little bit supportive towards non-believers ok?
 
Re: Athesit Thread version 2 (sorry K.O.S.:p).

So to some up, you are just ignorant.
You don't know...You don't have an answer so you choice to believe in 'nothing'.

Science can only answer what something is and how it works, it does not answer 'why'.
Eg, science can identify that pumping object in our body as a heart (thats the what), it can also tell us that it pumps blood round the body (thats the how), but it can not explain WHY the heart is even there in the first place! Why a heart? Why not a magical stone, or a clock attached to our veins that has an alarm like a bomb to signify our death.

Why do birds fly, what the point of a bird? If there is a point to a bird, then why is there that point? Do we need birds for something? If so, why do birds exist for that need?

Why do we have trees and leaves, how can you explain the clockwork miracle of life, how a tree gives out oxygen, which we so happen to need to stay alive, how a leaf can contain a chemical that will cure an illness, how a car needs earths finite resources to even work, and gives out C02 only for a tree to breath it in and turn it back to oxygen again for us to breath.

WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY!
Science doesnt have an answer.
You don't have an answer.
I dont have an answer...BUT
God is the answer to the unknown.

Excuse me, of course it explains why. The thing is there's not only one WHY there is like thousands of WHYs correlated to each other. same thing with the hows and the wheres and the whats.
 
Re: Athesit Thread version 2 (sorry K.O.S.:p).

^ you just seem to be regurgitating the same question trying to get a different answer. You're trying to get him to say "ok we can't explain this and that therefore there must be a god". That sums up the christian faith. Contrarily, the whole rationale behind atheism is that it's not within man's intellectual capacity as of yet to answer certain questions about life, but, that doesn't necessarily mean that a 'god' is the answer to them.

You don't have proof that god is the answer, but you don't need proof you only need faith. And that is why an atheist cannot reason with a christian; because no amount of evidence or lack thereof can override 'faith' as faith doesn't require evidence or reasoning, that's the point of it.

So to the atheists; seriously... No amount of scientific facts -- no matter how detailed or fascinating is going to make them listen to you

and to the god believers: No amount of 'miracles', unanswered questions or biblical quotes is going to make them listen to you.

In other words children... Give it up. Now hold hands, sing heal the world together and shut the f*** up. Thank you

lmao lmao lmao i love you!!
 
Re: Athesit Thread version 2 (sorry K.O.S.:p).

i REALLY REALLY admire your patience TheBob I would have quit this thread ages ago. When people just don't want to understand they don't and that's it.

Well thats funny because he showed no patience. I came in this thread asking a question with no pre judgement and was faced with rudeness and insult. 'thebob' has an inability to have a conversation without resorting to childish insults. How do you 'admire' that.

To people saying "what do you believe in then?": i believe in myself in my power to make myslef better, acomplish my goals, help the ones who i can decently help, be a good husband, a good son a good father, and a great actor wich is what i want to be. And by making myself a good human being i help the society be better.
And you don't think Christians believe this??

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Believe what you want and leave others to believe what they want. Don't throw insults at people and what they believe. Don't think you are better or 'more educated' because you have different feelings or beliefs. That is childish. Have respect for each other.
 
Re: Athesit Thread version 2 (sorry K.O.S.:p).

Well thats funny because he showed no patience. I came in this thread asking a question with no pre judgement and was faced with rudeness and insult. 'thebob' has an inability to have a conversation without resorting to childish insults. How do you 'admire' that.

And you don't think Christians believe this??

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Believe what you want and leave others to believe what they want. Don't throw insults at people and what they believe. Don't think you are better or 'more educated' because you have different feelings or beliefs. That is childish. Have respect for each other.

It's true that on the other hand that we are sometimes a littlebit arrogant (us, the atheists.) I completely admid that.
 
Re: Athesit Thread version 2 (sorry K.O.S.:p).

I mean absolutely no disrespect to all the atheist is this thread.....but.....can you please tell me why..You dont believe in God and Jesus Christ??
 
Re: Athesit Thread version 2 (sorry K.O.S.:p).

I don't believe in God for exactly the same reason i don't believe in Santa Claus i think you understand right?
Jesus Christ is a person who existed and you don't "believe it" you can trust what he thinked, follow his philosophy. Personally I don't. Well he sure said some universal things like "love the one next to you" and so on but i'm sure lots of people did say theese things too he just was charismatic too ;)

Did I answer your question? if you need more explanation please ask again, i'll be delighted to answer.
 
Re: Athesit Thread version 2 (sorry K.O.S.:p).

I don't believe in God for exactly the same reason i don't believe in Santa Claus i think you understand right?
Jesus Christ is a person who existed and you don't "believe it" you can trust what he thinked, follow his philosophy. Personally I don't. Well he sure said some universal things like "love the one next to you" and so on but i'm sure lots of people did say theese things too he just was charismatic too ;)

Did I answer your question? if you need more explanation please ask again, i'll be delighted to answer.

well thank you for being polite and honestly answering my question....for me...however I have always believed in the Lord and i have seen...his miracles ..in my life first hand......So do you believe in miracles.???? If so how do you explain them???....Do you believe that they just are???...thank you for taking the time to answer...
 
Re: Athesit Thread version 2 (sorry K.O.S.:p).

i REALLY REALLY admire your patience TheBob I would have quit this thread ages ago. When people just don't want to understand they don't and that's it.

To people saying "what do you believe in then?": i believe in myself in my power to make myslef better, acomplish my goals, help the ones who i can decently help, be a good husband, a good son a good father, and a great actor wich is what i want to be. And by making myself a good human being i help the society be better.

To People saying "how do you explain the begining of the world". Well right now there is a group o people called the evolution biologis who i know closely who are working their ASSES OFF day after day learning about life. Just the opposite as those "working" in churches making money on people's fears and weaknesses. So believers, PLEASE be just a little bit supportive towards non-believers ok?

your words don't seem supportive towards believers.

so i guess we are all in the same boat.

everybody has a system of rules they go by.
somebody, invariably, out there, thinks your rules are evil. and you think theirs are evil.

nobody is without their system.
everybody thinks their own system is good, and someone else's is evil. some people think scientists are all good, but scientists believe it's ok to control life, and eliminate life(stem cells, abortion) for what they think, is the good of something else. while you, and scientists think The Old Testament is brutal and violent.

some think atheism is non profit, but there are a lot of atheists who are strong in capitalism.

some think that atheists are writing the new versions of the Bible, right now, and profiting from it.

so, take your pick.
 
Re: Athesit Thread version 2 (sorry K.O.S.:p).

so a christian can bash me by saying that i, as an atheist, believe in "nothing".
but when he questions the existence of this thread and, since atheists believe in "nothing", what this discussion could possibly be about...
and i answer "anything about reality? :D" ...my post gets removed?

very nice. and very christian...
 
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Re: Athesit Thread version 2 (sorry K.O.S.:p).

well thank you for being polite and honestly answering my question....for me...however I have always believed in the Lord and i have seen...his miracles ..in my life first hand......So do you believe in miracles.???? If so how do you explain them???....Do you believe that they just are???...thank you for taking the time to answer...

Ok i don't want to sound like a smartass lol but about the miracles, it depends on what kind of miracles are we talking about here. For example we see people in coma with practicaly no chance to come back to normal life actually coming back to life. People with cancer with practicaly no cure, who get rid of the cancer. There is also miracles like "my kid didn't study anything and from night to morning he gets very polite and studies every day!" Or the miracles like "WOW Public Health might be a reality in the USA soon" or "Oh my i had bread in my table for dinner i went into the bathroom came back and i have 50kg of veal on it!

What kind of miracle are we talking about?

Thank you ;)
 
Re: Athesit Thread version 2 (sorry K.O.S.:p).

your words don't seem supportive towards believers.

so i guess we are all in the same boat.

everybody has a system of rules they go by.
somebody, invariably, out there, thinks your rules are evil. and you think theirs are evil.

nobody is without their system.
everybody thinks their own system is good, and someone else's is evil. some people think scientists are all good, but scientists believe it's ok to control life, and eliminate life(stem cells, abortion) for what they think, is the good of something else. while you, and scientists think The Old Testament is brutal and violent.

some think atheism is non profit, but there are a lot of atheists who are strong in capitalism.

some think that atheists are writing the new versions of the Bible, right now, and profiting from it.

so, take your pick.

When i talk about te CHURCH i'm not talking about Believers!
 
Re: Athesit Thread version 2 (sorry K.O.S.:p).

Ok i don't want to sound like a smartass lol but about the miracles, it depends on what kind of miracles are we talking about here. For example we see people in coma with practicaly no chance to come back to normal life actually coming back to life. People with cancer with practicaly no cure, who get rid of the cancer. There is also miracles like "my kid didn't study anything and from night to morning he gets very polite and studies every day!" Or the miracles like "WOW Public Health might be a reality in the USA soon" or "Oh my i had bread in my table for dinner i went into the bathroom came back and i have 50kg of veal on it!

What kind of miracle are we talking about?

Thank you ;)

no I didnt take as you being a smartass....I am talking about the kind of miracles such has you have stated....The people waking up out of the coma thing.....which I have had personal experience with in my life..(not me but someone very dear to me)...also the cancer thing...the cancer is just as you say..there one day and gone the next....again thank you for explaining your views
 
Re: Athesit Thread version 2 (sorry K.O.S.:p).

Well a believer is a person who believes in God right, and the Church like the Catholic Church or the Mormon church is an ORGANISATION.
 
Re: Athesit Thread version 2 (sorry K.O.S.:p).

Well a believer is a person who believes in God right, and the Church like the Catholic Church or the Mormon church is an ORGANISATION.

so you are saying that the Catholic Church or Mormon Church are without beiefs? that an organisation does not believe in God?

what is your definition of an organisation, in this case?
 
Re: Athesit Thread version 2 (sorry K.O.S.:p).

no I didnt take as you being a smartass....I am talking about the kind of miracles such has you have stated....The people waking up out of the coma thing.....which I have had personal experience with in my life..(not me but someone very dear to me)...also the cancer thing...the cancer is just as you say..there one day and gone the next....again thank you for explaining your views

Good, first we are going to take the word MIRACLE and see what it really means. A Miracle it's something very unlikely to happen that actually happens. It's highly associated to religion because of the miracles Jesus did but in many other religions you can't even imagin the number of miracles there are out there! But we can also call the fact that someone awakens from coma a Miracle. Because it's somthing that isn't likely to happen that happens. Then you from emotions impulsion you can say oh thank god for that! and it's easy to think that something powerful above us is responsible for that. But there is a human explanation to that too. That person had 99.9% of chances of not waking up, and he had the "luck" to be in that 0.01% category. Now that "luck" responds to STATISTIC it means based on what already happened before and what has been experimented before.

I hope you understand because i'm very cahotic writing in english lol. So I do think that there is cientific fact behind true miracles :)
 
Re: Athesit Thread version 2 (sorry K.O.S.:p).

so you are saying that the Catholic Church or Mormon Church are without beiefs? that an organisation does not believe in God?

what is your definition of an organisation, in this case?

You're driving me crazy lol with all the questions, no problem i'm having fun chatting with you guys.

I mean it's like let's say progressist-minded people and the Democratic Party in the U.S Not every pro-minded person belongs to the Democrats. Well you can believe in God but not belong to any organization. I know lots of people who believe in god and are not catholics, nor protestants, nor mormons. You understand?
 
Re: Athesit Thread version 2 (sorry K.O.S.:p).

Good, first we are going to take the word MIRACLE and see what it really means. A Miracle it's something very unlikely to happen that actually happens. It's highly associated to religion because of the miracles Jesus did but in many other religions you can't even imagin the number of miracles there are out there! But we can also call the fact that someone awakens from coma a Miracle. Because it's somthing that isn't likely to happen that happens. Then you from emotions impulsion you can say oh thank god for that! and it's easy to think that something powerful above us is responsible for that. But there is a human explanation to that too. That person had 99.9% of chances of not waking up, and he had the "luck" to be in that 0.01% category. Now that "luck" responds to STATISTIC it means based on what already happened before and what has been experimented before.

I hope you understand because i'm very cahotic writing in english lol. So I do think that there is cientific fact behind true miracles :)

I think i understand....so you are saying that 1% chance that the person woke up is "luck'...so atheist believe in 1% luck to 99.9% faith?....i hope i am understanding this correctly.....wouldnt it make more sense to go with the 99.9% faith than the 1% luck?....oh and your english is fine...:)
 
Re: Athesit Thread version 2 (sorry K.O.S.:p).

Sorry i don't understand (blush) can you explain me better what you are trying to say? thank you!
 
Re: Athesit Thread version 2 (sorry K.O.S.:p).

Sorry i don't understand (blush) can you explain me better what you are trying to say? thank you!

ok sorry.....atheist believe in luck and not in God or Jesus...is this correct?....you believe that everything that happens is because of a scientific reason?.....my question was isnt it better to believe in something that is 99.9% guaranteed that ..1% of something because it is science??....i would think the 99,9 % would be more comforting....I hope this helps you understand better....thank you for answering.
 
Re: Athesit Thread version 2 (sorry K.O.S.:p).

No no you're getting it wrong. Atheist is not about "believing" in that percentage of luck. It's just that that percentage of luck exists it's there and noone can say the contrary. It's like my avatar here on the left. It's red right? noone can say no it's green it's not arguable. That's what atheism is about. It doesn't mean we are cold insensitive people. I am myself ultra-sensitive and i have my own inner mistiscism but i jus't cant "believe" in things like god because it's beyond my rationnality.
 
Re: Athesit Thread version 2 (sorry K.O.S.:p).

No no you're getting it wrong. Atheist is not about "believing" in that percentage of luck. It's just that that percentage of luck exists it's there and noone can say the contrary. It's like my avatar here on the left. It's red right? noone can say no it's green it's not arguable. That's what atheism is about. It doesn't mean we are cold insensitive people. I am myself ultra-sensitive and i have my own inner mistiscism but i jus't cant "believe" in things like god because it's beyond my rationnality.

ok I understand now....thank you for taking the time to explain it to me....so I just have one more question.... you believe in the scientific theory of relativity then.?....thank you for being patient and explaining to me..
 
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