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Was this MJ's new peak when it comes to his vocals?

Did MJ reach a new peak with his vocal abilities right before the end?

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His voice was always amazing, but from what I've seen, I have no reason to not believe that the best was truly yet to come.


I personally love the maturity of his voice in the TII clips, from just his vocals to the growling unlike what we've ever heard before. It sounds as if he incorporated much more soul in his voice, this time around.
 
Is it just me or have many people here kind of avoided the Jacksons albums? People, come on, listen to Destiny and Triumph for example. I think this voting is more about what you have heard than your taste in many cases, 'cause I mean, Michael was 50(!), there's no way Michael's vocal range was better 2009 than around 1980.

53 to 11 in the voting, it just doesn't make any sense.
 
xXMJJXx said:
^^^ well thats just you're opinion and were saying ours :)
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Yes, but I feel strongly that in many cases people just say it because they haven't heard all of Michael's work that HAS to be heard to do a fair voting.
 
OffTheWall1979 said:
Is it just me or have many people here kind of avoided the Jacksons albums? People, come on, listen to Destiny and Triumph for example. I think this voting is more about what you have heard than your taste in many cases, 'cause I mean, Michael was 50(!), there's no way Michael's vocal range was better 2009 than around 1980.

53 to 11 in the voting, it just doesn't make any sense.
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why can't his voice be better at 50 than at 21? His voice from thriller and the jackson's albums don't even come close in comparison to everything that came later. I'm not saying you can't different tastes, but in terms of actual talent, ability, range, the difficult note combinations and such, thriller and everything before it is about a 2 if everything after is a 10. He didn't seem to have the ability to scream like a man in that growly aggressive voice when he was younger.

A lot of male vocalists get better with age. Listen to Steven Tyler when he was 50. athousand times better than age 30. LIsten to young James Hetfield and then old James Hetfield.

Practice makes pefect. It doesn't make you not as good at something anymore.
 
well im 17 years old and have every album from the j5 to invincible.

including many live performances from the j5 to this is it.

and in my honest opinion this is it vocals are the best vocals ever.
i like the lower register his voice has as well as him being able to hit the old high notes.
 
Lol @ anyone whos gonna come in here thinking that people are thinking logically. I dont know how from a couple 2 minute clips you can determine hes better than ever before. From those clips I can say the energy level is not of that from any show from the 80s. In the 80s tour the man was all over the stage and belting the songs. Obviously when I see the feel I can make a realistic opinion and anyone that says otherwise is blinded by there love for the man.
 
dancemasterman said:
why can't his voice be better at 50 than at 21? His voice from thriller and the jackson's albums don't even come close in comparison to everything that came later. I'm not saying you can't different tastes, but in terms of actual talent, ability, range, the difficult note combinations and such, thriller and everything before it is about a 2 if everything after is a 10. He didn't seem to have the ability to scream like a man in that growly aggressive voice when he was younger.

A lot of male vocalists get better with age. Listen to Steven Tyler when he was 50. athousand times better than age 30. LIsten to young James Hetfield and then old James Hetfield.

Practice makes pefect. It doesn't make you not as good at something anymore.
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OK, then please explain to me why Michael started lyp syncing on Dangerous tour, and almost didn't sing anything live on History tour? I guess his talent just grew right? lol. Well, maybe because of his age and for the fact that when you're getting 35+ it's very common to not be able to sing as you USED to do. It's a different thing saying you enjoy his later darker voice, but to say his vocal range was better and "the difficult note combinations and such" when he was 50, I'm just not buying that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DkXw3tnrOXU - listen to THAT. That's perfect!
 
OffTheWall1979 said:
OK, then please explain to me why Michael started lyp syncing on Dangerous tour, and almost didn't sing anything live on History tour? Well, maybe because of his age and for the fact that when you're getting 35+ it's very common to not be able to sing as you USED to do. It's a different thing saying you enjoy his later darker voice, but to say his vocal range was better and "the difficult note combinations and such" when he was 50, I'm just not buying that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DkXw3tnrOXU - listen to THAT. That's perfect!
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Just before the Dangerous Concerts started his voice was perfect. Watch the Dangerous Rehearsals on Youtube watch Beat it, Billie Jean and Remember the Time. His voice is better than on the Bad Concert. Compare Beat it for example. Watch the Dangerous Rehearsals Beat it and compare the vocal with any Bad Concert Beat it. I have compared it for many years-I´m a fan since 1982 and I´ve every Concert that is available on DVD. Not one Beat it performance from Bad including Wembley etc is better than the Beat it from the Dangerous Rehearsals.
Dangerous Rehearsal is by far the better version.But the Dangerous Concert Beat it is not good at all!

Beat it Dangerous Rehearsals 10 out 10
Beat it Bad Concerts 8 out 10
Beat it Dangerous Concerts 5 out 10

The same goes with Billie Jean. Again compare the Dangerous Rehearsal voice with the actual concert voice.
The rehearsal is much much better!
He was amazing during the rehearsals. Just listen to the last part of Remember the Time so powerful he couldn´t sing this part during his Thriller days!!!
But shortly after the Rehearsals something must have happend. Because the actual Dangerous concert is not so good. The Dangerous Rehearsals are better when it comes to the vocals than the actual concert. I´ve watched the Dangerous Concert 3-4 times but the Rehearsals I have watched 20 times so good.

The Dangerous Concert is only a 5-10
The Dangerous Rehearsals a 9-10

Makes for me a 7-10 for the Dangerous time.
 
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Arty said:
Just before the Dangerous Concerts started his voice was perfect. Watch the Dangerous Rehearsals on Youtube watch Beat it, Billie Jean and Remember the Time. His voice is better than on the Bad Concert. Compare Beat it for example. Watch the Dangerous Rehearsals Beat it and compare the vocal with any Bad Concert Beat it.
Dangerous Rehearsal is by far the better version.But the Dangerous Concert Beat it is not good at all!

Beat it Dangerous Rehearsals 10 out 10
Beat it Bad Concerts 8 out 10
Beat it Dangerous Concerts 6 out 10

He was amazing during the rehearsals. Just listen to the last part of Remember the Time so powerful he couldn´t sing this part during his Thriller days!!!
But shortly after the Rehearsals something must have happend. Because the actual Dangerous concert is not so good. The Dangerous Rehearsals are better when it comes to the vocals than the actual concert. I´ve watched the Dangerous Concert 3-4 times but the Rehearsals I have watched 20 times so good.

The Dangerous Concert is only a 5-10
The Dangerous Rehearsals a 9-10

Makes for me a 7-10 for the Dangerous time.
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Yeah, but as I said; "Dangerous TOUR" ;) I agree with you, although I enjoy his lighter voice more. From Bad and foreward, his voice was always a little more sharper (not saying he wasn't in full flight).
 
MattyJam said:
You're right - that IS perfection. It is very annoying when fans overlook the greatness of the Destiny/Triumph era.

If you ask me though he sounds pretty damn amazing in the TII clips as well though. Just as good but in a different way.
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Yes, he's amazing in TII of what we've seen, over my expectations by far, but Destiny/Triumph/Thriller is untouchable.
 
OffTheWall1979 said:
Yeah, but as I said; "Dangerous TOUR" ;) I agree with you, although I enjoy his lighter voice more. From Bad and foreward, his voice was always a little more sharper (not saying he wasn't in full flight).
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Yepp the Dangerous tour isn´t very good at all I was talking about the Rehearsals and the rehearsals were amazing

The Triumph -Victory Tour destroys the Dangerous Tour.


When it comes to future MJ Live Concerts on DVD.

Number 1 on my list is

Triumph and Victory on DVD

On a second place

Bad and Destiny

And please please don´t release the History TOur it only hurts his legacy!!!
 
OffTheWall1979 said:
Is this supposed to be some kind of joke? Michael was at his peak during the Triumph Tour. Even though his vocals are amazing of what we've seen on the TII rehearsals, it's not close to being what it was for almost 30 years ago. For those who haven't heard The Jacksons Live album, really need to get it. You're missing out.
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I couldn´t have said it better myself. His vocal range was at it´s peak during the Triumph period. His voice changed in the late 80´s and never came back. Sadly few here seems to realize this fact. It´s not even a question about taste, it is the cold-blooded truth.
 
swedis said:
I couldn´t have said it better myself. His vocal range was at it´s peak during the Triumph period. His voice changed in the late 80´s and never came back. Sadly few here seems to realize this fact. It´s not even a question about taste, it is the cold-blooded truth.
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There isn´t such thing as the absolute truth! It is always a question about taste.

There isn´t a higher power above who says to us humans this is the truth when it comes to music!

But of course his voice changed in the mid 80s. If you´re a fan of the"old" voice or the new is always about taste.
I love his Bless his Soul and Your Ways voice.

But I also love his Who is it Voice-Have you heard the acapella version of Who is it???

A piece of art!!!

In his early years his voice was perfect for "happy" music-music that makes you feel good.
And in the 90s his voice was perfect for the angry stuff like Jam, Scream etc.

Imagine his voice would have not changed-How could he sung songs like Scream???

Just be happy we can experience both!!


PS. I´ve made a mistake. There is a absolute truth! Playback sucks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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I dont know if it's his peak or not. Maybe it is. Maybe not.
I do hear something so pleasanty different in his vocals....
yet very familiar. He took it up at least a notch.

And yes...the a cappella Who Is It is off the chain. :sleep:
 
Arty said:
Yepp the Dangerous tour isn´t very good at all I was talking about the Rehearsals and the rehearsals were amazing

The Triumph -Victory Tour destroys the Dangerous Tour.


When it comes to future MJ Live Concerts on DVD.

Number 1 on my list is

Triumph and Victory on DVD

On a second place

Bad and Destiny

And please please don´t release the History TOur it only hurts his legacy!!!
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That's pretty much my list as well!
 
Arty said:
There isn´t such thing as the absolute truth! It is always a question about taste.

There isn´t a higher power above who says to us humans this is the truth when it comes to music!

But of course his voice changed in the mid 80s. If you´re a fan of the"old" voice or the new is always about taste.
I love his Bless his Soul and Your Ways voice.

But I also love his Who is it Voice-Have you heard the acapella version of Who is it???

A piece of art!!!

In his early years his voice was perfect for "happy" music-music that makes you feel good.
And in the 90s his voice was perfect for the angry stuff like Jam, Scream etc.

Imagine his voice would have not changed-How could he sung songs like Scream???

Just be happy we can experience both!!


PS. I´ve made a mistake. There is a absolute truth! Playback sucks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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There can of course be an absolut TRUTH. You can meassure the vocal range and then determine when the peak was.
 
swedis said:
There can of course be an absolut TRUTH. You can meassure the vocal range and then determine when the peak was.
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ROFL


Vocal range has absolut nothing to do with how good the voice sounds-there you have your absolut truth;-)

The peak for a singer is when he sounds the best( am matter of taste) not when he can hit 2-3 more notes than usual...lol
 
Arty said:
ROFL


Vocal range has absolut nothing to do with how good the voice sounds-there you have your absolut truth;-)
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Of course it has something to do with how it sounds, which note you can sing and how you sing it, but the vocal range doesn't determine how much you enjoy the voice.
 
Arty said:
ROFL


Vocal range has absolut nothing to do with how good the voice sounds-there you have your absolut truth;-)

The peak for a singer is when he sounds the best( am matter of taste) not when he can hit 2-3 more notes than usual...lol
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Well when I wrote my message I meant his Vocal-range and when it peaked. For me that is when he as an performer can hit a big spectrum of vocals.
 
swedis said:
Well when I wrote my message I meant his Vocal-range and when it peaked. For me that is when he as an performer can hit a big spectrum of vocals.
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Ok now I understand-If you say a vocal peak is for you when a singer can hit a big sepctrum of vocals than you have created your definition of "vocal peak" That is perfectly alright!

But my definiton of "vocal peak" is a different one.

I love for example the Young Elvis Voice but if I go by your defenition his vocal peak was in the 70s. The Young Elvis couldn´t sing songs like MY Way etc.
But the 70s Elvis couldn´t sing songs like Jealhouse Rock so fresh like in the 50s.

THis is really difficult!

The same goes with MJ.

By your definition the older MJ was at his vocal peak(his vocal coach said in an interview the late MJ gained notes in the lower register without losing the high ones so he could hit more notes) but I love the more soulful late 70s mid 80s vocals.
 
Arty said:
Ok now I understand-If you say a vocal peak is for you when a singer can hit a big sepctrum of vocals than you have created your definition of "vocal peak" That is perfectly alright!

But my definiton of "vocal peak" is a different one.

I love for example the Young Elvis Voice but if I go by your defenition his vocal peak was in the 70s. The Young Elvis couldn´t sing songs like MY Way etc.
But the 70s Elvis couldn´t sing songs like Jealhouse Rock so fresh like in the 50s.

THis is really difficult!
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Yes, but it shouldn't be too difficult to understand that Michael's vocal range peak wasn't 2009. And therefore I find it quite frustrating to see that the voting is 60-13, and especially since we've only heard a couple of minutes (!) from the rehearsals. Put your hand on the heart and be honest: how many of you who voted have heard the entire The Jacksons live album? It's pretty hard to get and not a usual subject when it comes to Michael's music, that's why I'm asking.
 
OffTheWall1979 said:
Yes, but it shouldn't be too difficult to understand that Michael's vocal range peak wasn't 2009. And therefore I find it quite frustrating to see that the voting is 60-13, and especially since we've only heard a couple of minutes (!) from the rehearsals. Put your hand on the heart and be honest: how many of you who voted have heard the entire The Jacksons live album? It's pretty hard to get and not a usual subject when it comes to Michael's music, that's why I'm asking.
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For a male singer the vocal peak is around his 40 birthday if we go by the classic definition of vocal peak for a classic tenor or baritone singer. A bass singer peaks a couple of years later-Mid 40

The vocal peak for a female singer is around the 30-35 birthday.

The Jacksons Live album is hard to get??? Why???

Every MJ fan should have this album. How Can YOU be a MJ fan and not have this album??

I´ve bought the Japan Mini LP version of this album and the sound is remastered it sounds absolute fantastic!! They did a wonderful job with the mastering. I´ve also bought the Triumph and Destiny remastered Japan Mini LPs Cd-Again MUST HAVE!!!

I cannot take any MJ fans opinion about live singing seriously if they don´t have the Jacksons live album!
 
Arty said:
For a male singer the vocal peak is around his 40 birthday if we go by the classic definition of vocal peak for a classic tenor or baritone singer. A bass singer peaks a couple of years later-Mid 40

The vocal peak for a female singer is around the 30-35 birthday.

The Jacksons Live album is hard to get??? Why???

Every MJ fan should have this album. How Can YOU be a MJ fan and not have this album??

I´ve bought the Japan Mini LP version of this album and the sound is remastered it sounds absolute fantastic!! They did a wonderful job with the mastering. I´ve also bought the Triumph and Destiny remastered Japan Mini LPs Cd-Again MUST HAVE!!!

I cannot take any MJ fans opinion about live singing seriously if they don´t have the Jacksons live album!
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Atleast in Sweden it's pretty hard to get. On our biggest CD-site, we can't even buy it, so we have to go looking in sites like Ebay or Amazon. I bet there's many fans that don't have the album. If every fan has that album, I have to wonder why everyone keeps talking about albums like History and Invincible when there's stuff out there like The Jacksons live album.

And in Michael's case I think this vocal peak thing doesn't suit the general artist, because for one thing, he had lupus which very obviously didn't exactly help his singing ability. The proof is tours like History tour, where he barely sang live...
 
The fact is, the little amount of live singing he did do during the HIStory tour was fairly poor. I think his voice must've been in poor shape. The only fully-live songs he performed were the J5 medley and WBSS and I've seen so many different HIStory shows and none of these performance were very impressive.

His performances of Billie Jean were the saving grace of the HIStory tour. His dancing was so inspired, some shows that song would edge towards 10 minutes long. He was definately in the zone with that song on the HIStory tour.
 
Look its down to personal preference. Some people prefer the way he sang on the Triumph and Victory tours while others prefer how he sang on the BAD and Dangerous tours or how he sang on that Human Nature This Is It rehearsal. Respect each other's opinions guys and stop trying to belittle others who may not necessarily agree with you.

Another thing that is annoying me is the constant criticism of Michael's singing on the HIStory tour, you are all aware now that Michael was suffering from lupus and that he had a problem with his lungs which would affect how long he can sing for and obviously singing and dancing at the same time. This is a medical reason and not Michael's fault but yet some people 'blame' him for it. Maybe think about what you are saying before criticising.
 
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Jabz said:
Lol @ anyone whos gonna come in here thinking that people are thinking logically. I dont know how from a couple 2 minute clips you can determine hes better than ever before. From those clips I can say the energy level is not of that from any show from the 80s. In the 80s tour the man was all over the stage and belting the songs. Obviously when I see the feel I can make a realistic opinion and anyone that says otherwise is blinded by there love for the man.
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to be fair though were not talking about dancing right now or running all over the stage. were talking about his voice.
 
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