The Hoax Theory - Discussing Errors, Inconsistencies, Observations and Other Theories

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How can that be? So many people knowing this fact it would jeopardize the safety of the plan, wouldn't it?
I am so confused with every possible emotion.
 
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When I first heard about the news, I have to say I was so heartbroken and confused, I just needed something to hold on to…I just couldn’t believe it..it was such an incredible shock…so yes, I visited the hoax site…looking for a glimmer of hope. Most of the things written on the hoax sites are completely ridiculous..like the imposter theory (according to them, it was an imposter in TII), the dave dave theory, the movie theory etc. People were grasping at nothing. However, their dedication is admirable. These people took hours upon hours to go through pictures to find the subtlest differences to prove that the MJ in one pic is an imposter compared to another. I was not convinced at all..infact, a lot of the “proof” got me so frustrated because of the sheer ridiculousness of it. After about two weeks of hoping that he’s still with us, I came to the conclusion that he’s gone. I can’t be mad at the hoax believers for hoping that he’s still alive…they love him so much that they just can’t let him go. In time, they’ll come to realize and they’ll move on..until then, nobody can convince them otherwise. Most of the things on the hoax sites are not believable but there are some things that are soo off about this whole situation that I can see why people may take it as proof of a hoax. I’ve seen the videos, the so-called hat man and the blond lady…and no, I don’t think they’re Michael.

There were only a few things that kind of had me saying hmm…but of course that doesn’t mean that it’s because of a hoax. So these are the things that stand out to me..

1. Apparently, the hoax site was created a day or two before the 25th. Someone found a screen shot of it cached on Google. I’ve seen the screen shot…I’m not really convinced because I’m sure that can be photoshopped. I’m not an expert at these things so I wouldn’t be able to tell the difference…and according to the site owner, it was a mistake on Google’s part. Don’t quote me on it..i don’t know details. So that at first seemed a little fishy but I guess people can fabricate anything these days so I don’t know..

2. The live feed of the funeral from CNN…the part that the family allowed us to see..there are some parts, where second to second, there are trees and garbage cans just materializing and disappearing. I don’t know how these people caught that…they must have been going trough the footage frame by frame. I admit, it was a little odd seeing that...it was literally second to second the back ground changed…but that can be because of differences in camera angles…so..

3. Something about the death certificates…apparently, there are a few different ones floating around with three different serial numbers. There might be a perfectly reasonable explanation for this though...so this isn’t much of a proof either..

4. On janet’s interview on abc, she mentioned that she was in NY when she heard the news…but in her bazaar interview she said that she was on the set of her movie in Atlanta. Her director Tyler Perry also confirmed it in an interview..he said she was going into wardrobe or something…it was a video interview done by entertainment tonite or Access Hollywood..not sure which one. Not sure why there’s that difference…probably doesn’t mean anything but still..it’s a bit odd to get the places mixed up…there can be a hundred different reasons for this..doesn’t have to be a hoax.

So there are def things that may seem odd…and people can take any situation and mold it to fit their beliefs…I guess people deal with loss differently and this whole hoax thing is just another way dealing…

As much as I’d love for Michael to be still around here on earth, I just don’t think that’s the case.. :no: :cry:
 
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3. Something about the death certificates…apparently, there are a few different ones floating around with three different serial numbers. There might be a perfectly reasonable explanation for this though...so this isn’t much of a proof either..
The question of the certificate is not the three different serial numbers. That is beside the point.

The question is the name:

Michael JOSEPH Jackson / Michael JOE Jackson ???


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I'm on the fence honestly. I don't know if he's physically alive or not. On one hand, I agree with people that say he wouldn't do that to his family and fans. Plus, even with his $ and power, I think it would be a hard hoax to pull off. On the other hand, the hoax theorists make a lot of valid points. I would love to believe that he is somewhere on Earth happy and healthy, waiting for J3 to be "sent to a boarding school" and come live with him. Even if he is alive, I'm sure he'd have went into hiding forever and go to great lengths never to be seen or recognized again, so Michael Jackson is still gone. =[
 
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Hey, there's this ThisIsAlsoIt.com website that keeps redirecting to different things everyday. Supposedly, on December 21, they're revealing what it actually is.
 
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Hey, there's this ThisIsAlsoIt.com website that keeps redirecting to different things everyday. Supposedly, on December 21, they're revealing what it actually is.
I do not believe that site. He did not reveal anything surprising. Only revealed all that has been researched and discussed among the fans who believe that Michael is alive. For me it's a fan who is researching a lot about it from the beginning. And I have a slight impression that the staff of TNZ.
 
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When I first heard about the news, I have to say I was so heartbroken and confused, I just needed something to hold on to…I just couldn’t believe it..it was such an incredible shock…so yes, I visited the hoax site…looking for a glimmer of hope. Most of the things written on the hoax sites are completely ridiculous..like the imposter theory (according to them, it was an imposter in TII), the dave dave theory, the movie theory etc. People were grasping at nothing. However, their dedication is admirable. These people took hours upon hours to go through pictures to find the subtlest differences to prove that the MJ in one pic is an imposter compared to another. I was not convinced at all..infact, a lot of the “proof” got me so frustrated because of the sheer ridiculousness of it. After about two weeks of hoping that he’s still with us, I came to the conclusion that he’s gone. I can’t be mad at the hoax believers for hoping that he’s still alive…they love him so much that they just can’t let him go. In time, they’ll come to realize and they’ll move on..until then, nobody can convince them otherwise. Most of the things on the hoax sites are not believable but there are some things that are soo off about this whole situation that I can see why people may take it as proof of a hoax. I’ve seen the videos, the so-called hat man and the blond lady…and no, I don’t think they’re Michael.

There were only a few things that kind of had me saying hmm…but of course that doesn’t mean that it’s because of a hoax. So these are the things that stand out to me..

1. Apparently, the hoax site was created a day or two before the 25th. Someone found a screen shot of it cached on Google. I’ve seen the screen shot…I’m not really convinced because I’m sure that can be photoshopped. I’m not an expert at these things so I wouldn’t be able to tell the difference…and according to the site owner, it was a mistake on Google’s part. Don’t quote me on it..i don’t know details. So that at first seemed a little fishy but I guess people can fabricate anything these days so I don’t know..

2. The live feed of the funeral from CNN…the part that the family allowed us to see..there are some parts, where second to second, there are trees and garbage cans just materializing and disappearing. I don’t know how these people caught that…they must have been going trough the footage frame by frame. I admit, it was a little odd seeing that...it was literally second to second the back ground changed…but that can be because of differences in camera angles…so..

3. Something about the death certificates…apparently, there are a few different ones floating around with three different serial numbers. There might be a perfectly reasonable explanation for this though...so this isn’t much of a proof either..

4. On janet’s interview on abc, she mentioned that she was in NY when she heard the news…but in her bazaar interview she said that she was on the set of her movie in Atlanta. Her director Tyler Perry also confirmed it in an interview..he said she was going into wardrobe or something…it was a video interview done by entertainment tonite or Access Hollywood..not sure which one. Not sure why there’s that difference…probably doesn’t mean anything but still..it’s a bit odd to get the places mixed up…there can be a hundred different reasons for this..doesn’t have to be a hoax.

So there are def things that may seem odd…and people can take any situation and mold it to fit their beliefs…I guess people deal with loss differently and this whole hoax thing is just another way dealing…

As much as I’d love for Michael to be still around here on earth, I just don’t think that’s the case.. :no: :cry:

I think I'm in the same boat as you.

Add to the Hmm list the thing about the Social Security numbers. Also theres a blog post on the hoax site about Mike J Jackson and Michael J Jackson.. where they have searched intellius.com and found some interesting stuff.. I looked myself on intellius as far as I could get without paying..and what I could see seems to match what they say, but then again it claims a Billie Jean Jackson lived in Havenhurst.. so umm.. yeh lol. Maybe someone could read the blog and tell me if its a load of rubbish? It's on the Michael Jackson Hoax Death site. I don't agree with the other blogs on there especially about TII and Dave Dave - those made me quite angry.
 
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1. Apparently, the hoax site was created a day or two before the 25th. Someone found a screen shot of it cached on Google. I’ve seen the screen shot…I’m not really convinced because I’m sure that can be photoshopped. I’m not an expert at these things so I wouldn’t be able to tell the difference…and according to the site owner, it was a mistake on Google’s part. Don’t quote me on it..i don’t know details. So that at first seemed a little fishy but I guess people can fabricate anything these days so I don’t know..

What? I didn't know that. But you're right. We also have photoshop these days...

There's also that book on Michael's death purchased before he died, wich amazon claimed it was a mistake on their website....

Then we have an article six months before Michael's death about the prediction that Michael only had six months to live.....an article which I personally ignored because I knew he was not going blind in one eye and could barely speak when I saw him doing so well and happy, going out and about like old times.

But the wierd thing about that article is that even though he did say Michael was going to die in 6 months from some disease, how is it he actaully died in six months anways......regardless if it wasn't from some lung disease. To me, that is still quite a coincidence. It's like the author predicted the truth with lies. I mean, come on, every journalist had to put in a lie about Michael, or they just don't write about him. But the thing which bothers me the MOST, is that the author states Michael will die (from his lung problems) in six months from AN ADDICTION.

http://www.nationalenquirer.com/celebrity/65997?cid=RSS
A source close to the star divulged: "It's tragic. His condition is just so far gone, I'd be surprised if he lasts six months.

"Painkillers and booze have caught up with him. The only way he was able to cope with the stress of sex scandals and his roller-coaster life was to mask the pain with substance abuse.

"But the end result is an addiction that will kill him."

King Bizarro's dependency on drugs "dates back to when his hair was burned making a Pepsi commercial," said the close source. Twenty-five years later, "the drugs simply have ravaged him."

Michael's in "really, really bad shape," claims the family friend. "He's been sick for six to eight months and he just keeps getting worse.

"His muscles and lungs are deteriorating, and he's bedridden much of the time. He can walk, but not for very long.

"On good days, Michael is able to take his kids to a bookstore. But he's never out for more than an hour. He has very little strength...It's ultimately in God's hands."

But a spokesman for Jackson vehemently denies the star is ill, saying: "Mr. Jackson is in fine health" and is in negotiations for a concert tour and TV projects.

"Michael's fighting for his life," the close source concluded. "And it doesn't look good."

I think this picture was taken in March if I remember correctly.
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After seeing this picture, I now see what he means, I can now see the "really, really bad shape," Michael was in.
 
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these things make it virtually impossible to pull this off:

1. the los angeles coroners office received a body and autopsied the body. the body was of course dead and had to be identified through dental, dna, etc etc. they had MJ's body. the coroner isn't going to accept a dead body that isn't proven to be that of the decedent. (i wish they could but they cannot)

2. there would have to be so many people involved: police, paramedics, helicopter personal, UCLA doctors, specialists.

3. the blood and dna had to be proven. they do a MULTITUDE of testing to make sure the body is positively identified.

I wish more than anything that Michael were still with us. but he had some very bad people around him giving him whatever he wanted, then got him addicted (happens all the time in entertainment)..........and this lead to the anesthetic being administered over who know how long.

His body simply couldn't take anymore. then enters Dr. DUMB_DUMB.......and that was the end of our Michael.

I will never ever believe this happened to such a beautiful wonderful talented man. but unfortunately (it seems) he wouldn't allow people around him who "could" control him. they could have had other and better ways to deal with his stress and insomnia.

We love you Michael :wub:
 
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After spending much of my time investigating the facts,I tend to believe that this whole hoax story is going to phase out.
Sadly for the fans who believe it, it's a painful kind of denial.I wish I can comfort them when they have to accept the inevitable.
 
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After spending much of my time investigating the facts,I tend to believe that this whole hoax story is going to phase out.
Sadly for the fans who believe it, it's a painful kind of denial.I wish I can comfort them when they have to accept the inevitable.

yes I really smdh when i view these hoax sites i feel bad for the fans who do believe he is alive.
 
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I think he's alive
If people on here are going to say we are "sad" "sick" ect i find that very stupid seeing as their are many things wrong with his death and if you look into it you would see their are too many things that don't add up , and im sure most of you haven't even looked into him being alive and in my opinion you don't even qualify to make statments or opinions about what people believe
 
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This is definetly a hoax. There are no longer any "hmm" or "that's strange". Most you guys are just picking up the pieces. Always doubt what you hear and see on both sides, but for the love of Jaweh, look into it deeply.

Go on YouTube and find a channel named MJFanForeverAndaDay

Watch her video series. She is probably the one who has done the best work so far, and she even was invited on radio because of her efforts.

MJ is alive, and I am not saying because I am in denial or want to believe. I am not that kind of person, you couldn't convince me of anything without solid evidence.

Yes alot of people are in on the hoax, and so is Michaels family, even his kids.

Don't take my word for it, look for yourself. I can't speak to the point if he would ever return, but he did not die. This Is It was never ment to be a tour, this was planned for years.

Look into it and look hard, and don't decide anything based on hope. You can't do this on wishful thinking. Assume he is dead until you see enough to think otherwise.

I have seen otherwise, and I would have to be blind to think this is not a hoax.

All these things do not prove anything when they stand alone, but when you learn enough and you put them all together into one giant puzzle all of it makes sense.

It is impossible to be mistaken, it all ads up and no wishful thinking can lead you to that conclusion.
 
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Guess I am blind then. I have looked at all the "evidence" and "clues." Nothing says he is alive to me. Proof and evidence are apparently subjective where MJ's death are concerned. Sadly, I believe there is no doubt whatsoever that MJ did indeed die on June 25th. More power to ya if you believe otherwise though.
 
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This is definetly a hoax. There are no longer any "hmm" or "that's strange". Most you guys are just picking up the pieces. Always doubt what you hear and see on both sides, but for the love of Jaweh, look into it deeply.

Go on YouTube and find a channel named MJFanForeverAndaDay

Watch her video series. She is probably the one who has done the best work so far, and she even was invited on radio because of her efforts.

MJ is alive, and I am not saying because I am in denial or want to believe. I am not that kind of person, you couldn't convince me of anything without solid evidence.

Yes alot of people are in on the hoax, and so is Michaels family, even his kids.

Don't take my word for it, look for yourself. I can't speak to the point if he would ever return, but he did not die. This Is It was never ment to be a tour, this was planned for years.

Look into it and look hard, and don't decide anything based on hope. You can't do this on wishful thinking. Assume he is dead until you see enough to think otherwise.

I have seen otherwise, and I would have to be blind to think this is not a hoax.

All these things do not prove anything when they stand alone, but when you learn enough and you put them all together into one giant puzzle all of it makes sense.

It is impossible to be mistaken, it all ads up and no wishful thinking can lead you to that conclusion.

Its a rather good channel, some elements in MJFanForeverAndaDay's videos are far-fetched but others are MUCH more convincing. MJFanForeverAndaDay uploaded another video today by the way. Personally, im not waiting for some sort of comeback so if he's alive i just hope he's doing ok.
 
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I think he's alive
If people on here are going to say we are "sad" "sick" ect i find that very stupid seeing as their are many things wrong with his death and if you look into it you would see their are too many things that don't add up , and im sure most of you haven't even looked into him being alive and in my opinion you don't even qualify to make statments or opinions about what people believe

you're right. I'd like to apologize because in my earlier post, I did say that it's sad and I feel bad for those that think he's alive. I do see how a lot of things don't add up but sadly, i'm still not convinced. I'd love to be though...I'd be the happiest person in the world if I found out that I'm wrong and that he is indeed alive. There are so many unanswered questions but it seems that there can be a million different reasons why there are so many inconsistancies. I guess I'm just a skeptic and don't really want to get my hopes up...

..but ur right...noone has the right to judge what ppl believe..and I can see how the "sad" and "sick" comments can be offensive to those that honestly believe he's alive...let's just hope that in time, we'll all know the truth about this whole situation..so again, I apologize.. happy holidays! :)
 
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This is definetly a hoax. There are no longer any "hmm" or "that's strange". Most you guys are just picking up the pieces. Always doubt what you hear and see on both sides, but for the love of Jaweh, look into it deeply.

Go on YouTube and find a channel named MJFanForeverAndaDay

Watch her video series. She is probably the one who has done the best work so far, and she even was invited on radio because of her efforts.

MJ is alive, and I am not saying because I am in denial or want to believe. I am not that kind of person, you couldn't convince me of anything without solid evidence.

Yes alot of people are in on the hoax, and so is Michaels family, even his kids.

Don't take my word for it, look for yourself. I can't speak to the point if he would ever return, but he did not die. This Is It was never ment to be a tour, this was planned for years.

Look into it and look hard, and don't decide anything based on hope. You can't do this on wishful thinking. Assume he is dead until you see enough to think otherwise.

I have seen otherwise, and I would have to be blind to think this is not a hoax.

All these things do not prove anything when they stand alone, but when you learn enough and you put them all together into one giant puzzle all of it makes sense.

It is impossible to be mistaken, it all ads up and no wishful thinking can lead you to that conclusion.


Yes, There are laughable theories but you really have to look for the concrete ones that really make your mind boggle. Honestly this death investigation is as questionable as the hoax theories, Murray's getting a reality show pretty soon. What does that tell you? The more senseless the death investigation becomes which is more like day by day, the more credible these theories appear.

Some people are just not comfortable with believing in something that is out of their comfort zone or that may seem like "mission impossible" but sometimes the truth conceals itself that way. It makes you not want to dwelve further into the forbidden.

There are just waaaaay too many coincidences, IMHO.

But the truth is that no one really knows when it comes to what happened to MJ, we are all just searching for the answer from every possible angle, even when they most likely revert back to square one altogether, regardless of believing he's dead or alive.

This is all just a riddle to me, I'm not sure I'll ever understand it.
 
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People I understand that everything is crazy but believe me Michael is alive check this video out there you can see him when you look closly in the middle. He is coming up from the strecher watch it again and again then you will see it really its Bad quality but its 100 % him .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnQx5g5lwAE
 
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things like this arent good for fans. being in denial etc
 
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So people honestly think that if Michael was to fake his own death he would be stupid enough to walk into the hospital that he knows would be swarming in press the second news got out about what had happened?? Honestly does that make any sense??
 
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point proved. i know its painful but it wont help in the long run
 
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I no taht people except things in their own time.but..people Michael is gone..being in denial for this long is not healthy for your brain....I watched that video and I do not care what that video is trying to say because I know that Michael is at peace now...I dont want to hurt anyone .
 
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This is definetly a hoax.

MJ is alive,

Yes alot of people are in on the hoax, and so is Michaels family, even his kids.

but he did not die. This Is It was never ment to be a tour, this was planned for years.

The bob i have just re read ur post and need to ask how you can say these things when you do NOT know 100% what u are saying is true!! You cant say these things without proof!! Oh and dont tell me to go and watch you tube videos because if that is all the proof you have then i aint buying!! It is so easy to manipulate the way people view things on the internet. Dont present things as fact when they are not!!
 
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Sorry but I can't believe that Michael would have his children flung into this media frenzy, putting them at more risk than any other child in the world. And then sit there watching his 11 year old daughter cry infront of millions of people worldwide telling them how much she loved him.

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^^ Look at Janet's eyes and tell me her brother's still alive.

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^^ Look at Katherine and tell me her son's still alive.

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^^ Look at Elizabeth and tell me Michael's still alive.

Sorry for posting those photos, I really don't like to but they, to me, provide more proof that Michae's gone than anything else.
 
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