Katherine & MJ's kids sue AEG / Trial date April 2, 2013

[riviera1992]

Re: Wrongful death lawsuits - Katherine and MJ's kids sue AEG / Murray responds to Joe's lawsuit

that doesn't prove anything. so many creditor's claims agasint Michael. they're called 'claims' because they can't be proven. botox fills out your skin..Michael's face was dimpled(in a good way) his face had no room for botox. this Klein is just feeding the rumor mill about drugs, and other lies.

So you're saying that this claim is false? Because getting botox to fill out a few wrinkles doesn't make someone an addict.

And what would be the alternative? Meaning, why else would Michael go to Klein?
Getting demerol? Nope, it didn't show in the autopsy.
Seeing his so-called big fat gay lover? Nope, Michael wasn't gay.
Bleaching his skin? Nope, he was already all white.
Shooting the breeze and getting pres med for Xanax or prozac? Nope, didn't show in autopsy report.

I'm going with botox, but that's just me.

 

[earth child]

Re: Wrongful death lawsuits - Katherine and MJ's kids sue AEG / Murray responds to Joe's lawsuit

there was security cameras that showed ppl coming and going. there were ppl in the house security the chef the kids. its riduclous to claim that someone could just walk into the house unnoticed go upstairs where murrays was and do the deed and would even know what was going in the room in the first place

its not really possible due to the timing of when mortis set in and the beed marks.there was security 24-7

no there hasnt. murrays clearly (well changed it several times) set out the timeline of what happened. he was awake and there in the room at the times he said everything happened.

in your attempt to support some kind of mass conspiracy you are defending murray. thankfully that argument is as illogical as murrays other claims

LOL, as I have stated several times now, I am not defending Murray. I just have an open mind and don't allow the media to tell me what to think. There are other possibilities. If Murray acted alone and out of negligent and that is proven in a court of law, so be it. As of right now today, that hasn't happened.
If you prefer to go along with everything the media tells you to think, that is fine with me. I don't need justify my opinion to you, I have a right to it just as you do to yours so, moving right along...

 

[144000]

Re: Wrongful death lawsuits - Katherine and MJ's kids sue AEG / Murray responds to Joe's lawsuit

Enforcing a contract is not a criminal act. IF those were the agreed to terms, they were the terms and executable. Just like if you agree to sign over your house if you can't make payments on it. If you default, it's the bank's house.

Look...I'm not saying that AEG didn't put enormous pressure on MJ. EVERYBODY WAS UNDER PRESSURE. TII had blown up into a $30 million project. What I am saying is that Katherine is blaming AEG for not taking care of MJ and making it sound as though he was incapable of taking care of himself and couldn't make choices on his on behalf as to who his physician would be, when there is substantial evidence MJ chose Murray personally.

open ended contracts are a trend, these days. something that began as ten concerts, and ballooned into three years, sounds suspect. i've seen contracts, with what look like MJ's writing, saying that they were 'revokable at any time'. i've seen contracts that have stipulations that say, that if there is an instance where it is not enforceable, then it is not enforceable. there are lawyers that say that they can get a person out of a drunk driving charge, when the defendant is dead to rights. it's amazing what kind of 'contracts' can be written up, and what lawyers can do, to get people out of them, but moreover, Michael was one person, approached by many. very many people. the rest of the people in this situation, don't have that excuse. MJ was the target. MJ was the cash cow. not these other people. he was a lone target for many. no amount of defense can hold up against a large army. Michael shouldn't be blamed for that. the bigger the cash cow, the faster all the rules go out the window, because of love of money. MJ was subject to so many sharks, it's not fair to blame him for being the target of attack, by many.

 

[gerryevans]

Re: Wrongful death lawsuits - Katherine and MJ's kids sue AEG / Murray responds to Joe's lawsuit

that's not my point. mindless credent? we're talking a bunch of bullies trying to run MJ's life. no one person can handle that, at this point, no matter how intelligent they are. the people wanting to rake MJ over the coals are full of hate. no explanation will change their dark minds. that was my point.

There were no bullies with Murray when he injected MJ. No matter what pressure AEG may have put on him. It was Murray the doctor administering treatment. It was HIS responsible to take care of him. That's suppose to be his expertise. I don't care what AEG told him. That's my point.

 

[144000]

Re: Wrongful death lawsuits - Katherine and MJ's kids sue AEG / Murray responds to Joe's lawsuit

So you're saying that this claim is false? Because getting botox to fill out a few wrinkles doesn't make someone an addict.

And what would be the alternative? Meaning, why else would Michael go to Klein?
Getting demerol? Nope, it didn't show in the autopsy.
Seeing his so-called big fat gay lover? Nope, Michael wasn't gay.
Bleaching his skin? Nope, he was already all white.
Shooting the breeze and getting pres med for Xanax or prozac? Nope, didn't show in autopsy report.

I'm going with botox, but that's just me.

how about good genes? and no drugs? people speak about how Janet looks young. why can't Michael just look young and not need botox? i'm just saying i don't have a claim on what he was doing, but i am certainly not calling MJ a drug addict.

 

[ivy]

Re: Wrongful death lawsuits - Katherine and MJ's kids sue AEG / Murray responds to Joe's lawsuit

All of the assets that were being used as leverage which include Sony/ATV. Someone even mentioned his own catalog was being used against him but the lawsuit only mentions Sony/ATV.

The AEG contract if needed gave them the right to sue Michael Jackson (the person) and Michael Jackson Company - makes sense as Michael had formed a living trust and all his assets were owned by his company but not by the person.

True Sony/ ATV is included in that but it's not the only asset.

But by no means you can say that they would definitely go only after Sony / ATV - law doesn't work that way. In the lawsuit it's also said that "The assets AEG could seize from Michael include Sony/ATV" but it's not specifically or limited to Sony/ATV.

You need to think about how much money is owed and the liquid assets.

How much money do you think that Michael would owe to AEG that would warrant the sale of a multi billion dollar worth Catalog? Didn't he have any other assets , any more liquid assets that would cover the owed money amount?

We know that the production costs was $30M and Michael was paid an advance - how much we don't know for sure - let that be another $30M or even $50M. That brings it more or less $80M.

It's reported that yearly income from Sony/ATV catalog alone is around $70-100M. See my point? They could simply and legally get this income for the cost and advances that Michael owed them.

Even if Michael had to pay them back, even if they would go after his assets that didn't mean that they would specifically go after Sony/ ATV - not legally possible to pick and choose which assets and Katherine's lawsuit doesn't claim it anyway.

And that was my point in the previous example : If a person owes you a $1000 the court takes it from their monthly income and gives it to you. They don't make that person to sell their house to give you the $1000.

The asset taken from a person has to be proportionate with the debt.


I personally think that sentence of "his assets include Sony/ATV" is added to the lawsuit for the sake of common statement of "he was killed for his catalog".

 

[Moulin Rouge]

Re: Wrongful death lawsuits - Katherine and MJ's kids sue AEG / Murray responds to Joe's lawsuit

AEG -- Don't Blame Us for Dr. Murray!
20 minutes ago by TMZ Staff

AEG is finally lashing back at Katherine Jackson's lawsuit over the death of her son Michael Jackson -- claiming it had nothing to do with the hiring or supervision of Dr. Conrad Murray.

In a statement released through AEG's lawyers -- the company calls Katherine's lawsuit "inaccurate, unsubstantiated and meritless" and then goes on to explain its relationship with Dr. Murray.

The statement continues ... "Dr. Murray was Mr. Jackson's longtime personal physician. AEG did not choose him, hire him or supervise him. That said, and in honor of our professional relationship with Mr. Jackson and his Estate, we will have no further public statements."

It is true that Michael handpicked Dr. Murray -- but Katherine claims that AEG was negligent because they didn't check Murray's credentials. Katherine also claims AEG pushed Michael way too hard during rehearsals.

 

[benscarr]

Re: Wrongful death lawsuits - Katherine and MJ's kids sue AEG / Murray responds to Joe's lawsuit

Justice has been too long in coming for Michael against Dr. Murray, and the criminal charges against Murray are not tough enough. There are still too many unanswered questions. So I can see why Michael's parents would be frustrated, but don't think they are getting the best legal advice in regards to launching these civil lawsuits at this point in time. I don't think Brian Oxman can do Michael's name justice in a civil court case. He looks like a bloodsucker who loves the inaccurate association of being Michael's lawyer, just because he worked for Joesph and maybe a couple of other Jackson's.

I think both Katherine and Joesph should wait until Murray's trial is over before launching these civil lawsuits. Even though I think it's right of Michael's parents to want to seek justice were they feel their son Michael has been wronged. I think launching these civil lawsuits could be counter productive at such and before any criminal trial.

Michael's parents should wait until after the trial, just like the family of the murdered ex-wive of OJ Simpsons did. They launched a civil lawsuit after the trial (a trial he was found innocent. not that I'm saying he was innocent or guilty) and won.

how about good genes? and no drugs? people speak about how Janet looks young. why can't Michael just look young and not need botox? i'm just saying i don't have a claim on what he was doing, but i am certainly not calling MJ a drug addict.

I agree with this comment about Michael's good genes. I wouldn't rule out Michael using botox, but I personally don't think he used. Michael still had expression on his face, and not every person over 29 or even over 49 has lines on there face. A small minority of people are blessed with a good skin gene that barely lines, or doesn't line at all.

So you're saying that this claim is false? Because getting botox to fill out a few wrinkles doesn't make someone an addict.

I'm going with botox, but that's just me.

Why would Michael go to see Arnie Klein. It was because of his vitiligo, to even out his skin. I'm sure Michael did have some treatments to keep his skin in good condition, but that doesn't actually mean botox. Actually botox is one of the few cosmetic procedures the media never accused Michael of having. If Michael did have a few wrinkles (which I doubt he had, and if he did I presume they would just be very faint ones around his eyes), he would most likely have used stage makeup to cover them, considering due to Michael's vitiligo he had to wear white makeup to even out the larger white blotches of his skin.

 

[elusive moonwalker]

If Murray acted alone and out of negligent and that is proven in a court of law, so be it. As of right now today, that hasn't happened.
If you prefer to go along with everything the media tells you to think, that is fine with me.

what medias that. i base my opinions on murrays statements to the police thanks.dont be acting like the media are kissing mjs ass and attacking murray. so murrays defence is someone else came in the room. how does he prove that exactly. all these ppl in the house no one saw anything no nothing. its like the dog ate my homework excuse

how about good genes? and no drugs? people speak about how Janet looks young. why can't Michael just look young and not need botox? i'm just saying i don't have a claim on what he was doing, but i am certainly not calling MJ a drug addict.

why is it such an issue that mj was getting treatment at kliens. theres bigger issues.no ones calling him a drug addict but seem to have an issue that he was having any cosmetic procedures at all

 

[ilmjj]

Re: Wrongful death lawsuits - Katherine and MJ's kids sue AEG / Murray responds to Joe's lawsuit

Ivy, I have a question. IF AEG would for some reason decide to make a cash settlement with the Jacksons, who would get the money? Doesn't Kathryn still owe money to the korean company? Would they take it? At the end of the day, bottom line...what do the Jacksons want to happen? I am so confused! I am so sad for Michael. I really don't think this is what he wants.:angel: Thank you Ivy.

 

[HDiva]

Re: Wrongful death lawsuits - Katherine and MJ's kids sue AEG / Murray responds to Joe's lawsuit

Here's another thing to ponder that in my opinion is just if not more important - per the filing under General Allegations #21 ....."AEG would have the right to collect the advance against security provided by Michael Jackson & his co. Michael Jackson LLC. The assets from which AEG could seize from Michael Jackson include the Sony/ATV song catalogue owned by Jackson... Indeed, AEG was even entitled by the contract to recoup from Jackson the production costs for the tour itself if the tour were not successful."
Now do you honestly believe Michael would put up the Sony/ATV catalog as collateral for concerts he did not HAVE to do - and don't say he was coerced into it, Michael Jackson was NEVER coerced into doing ANYTHING he didn't want to do and since when do wrongful death court filings start off like a tribute instead of a legal doc - "This case concerns the tragic death of the internationally beloved artist Michael Jackson"???
This looks more like an attempt to put the entire music industry & it's anti-artist practices on trial & out in the open, it'll be interesting to see how AEG responds to this lawsuit - very interesting indeed -

 

[riviera1992]

Re: Wrongful death lawsuits - Katherine and MJ's kids sue AEG / Murray responds to Joe's lawsuit

I agree with this comment about Michael's good genes. I wouldn't rule out Michael using botox, but I personally don't think he used. Michael still had expression on his face, and not every person over 29 or even over 49 has lines on there face. A small minority of people are blessed with a good skin gene that barely lines, or doesn't line at all.

Why would Michael go to see Arnie Klein. It was because of his vitiligo, to even out his skin. I'm sure Michael did have some treatments to keep his skin in good condition, but that doesn't actually mean botox. Actually botox is one of the few cosmetic procedures the media never accused Michael of having. If Michael did have a few wrinkles (which I doubt he had, and if he did I presume they would just be very faint ones around his eyes), he would most likely have used stage makeup to cover them, considering due to Michael's vitiligo he had to wear white makeup to even out the larger white blotches of his skin.

So why doesn't the claim state or include those treatments then? It doesn't make sense. Don't get me wrong I agree Michael had good genes (look at his mom) I'm just trying to figure out why would he claim payment for botox treatments and not vitilago treatments.

Why would Klein lie about this when he's been under so much scrutiny this past year and risking being barred or fined for asking money for false treatments?

Sorry for going off topic.

 

[elusive moonwalker]

Re: Wrongful death lawsuits - Katherine and MJ's kids sue AEG / Murray responds to Joe's lawsuit

Ivy, I have a question. IF AEG would for some reason decide to make a cash settlement with the Jacksons, who would get the money? Doesn't Kathryn still owe money to the korean company? Would they take it? At the end of the day, bottom line...what do the Jacksons want to happen? I am so confused! I am so sad for Michael. I really don't think this is what he wants.:angel: Thank you Ivy.

good point. yeah the koreans could go after it. the money would go to the kids.well their share and see what would happen with katherine

 

[xthunderx2]

Re: Wrongful death lawsuits - Katherine and MJ's kids sue AEG / Murray responds to Joe's lawsuit

I dont know why people think that Katherine has filed this lawsuit for money....I know everyone uses Michael as their cash cow...However..in this instance...I believe that Katherine filed this suite with the right intentions..and that is to find out as close as she could what exactly happend to Michael....and to hold EVERYONE not just Murray responsible...that is the only way we will ever get the truth...people HAVE TO BE MADE to talk...and I think this is a great start.

 

[144000]

Re: Wrongful death lawsuits - Katherine and MJ's kids sue AEG / Murray responds to Joe's lawsuit

why is it such an issue that mj was getting treatment at kliens. theres bigger issues.no ones calling him a drug addict but seem to have an issue that he was having any cosmetic procedures at all

a lot of people made big issues out of everything with Michael, and piled up. they claimed he got all kinds of stuff done. it adds up. Michael was pestered, his entire life. apparently it was too much to believe he had a lot going for him, so, people wanted to believe he had a lot of 'help'. having talent, youthfulness, etc. was too much for some to handle. besides..people are making it a big issue. maybe he was just a normal guy with a lot of talent, and a lot of money, who jealous people went after, and everybody from AEG to their uncle claims he owes them money, which he doesnt'. it's hard for some to believe he's well off..and people were just after him, and never wanted to leave him alone, because of envy. and it just all added up to kill him.

 

[elusive moonwalker]

Re: Wrongful death lawsuits - Katherine and MJ's kids sue AEG / Murray responds to Joe's lawsuit

eh?........vince u do know that mj had a nose job? youve been like this for years. it doesnt matter that mj had work done.

 

[CherubimII]

Re: Wrongful death lawsuits - Katherine and MJ's kids sue AEG / Murray responds to Joe's lawsuit

Ivy, I have a question. IF AEG would for some reason decide to make a cash settlement with the Jacksons, who would get the money? Doesn't Kathryn still owe money to the korean company? Would they take it? At the end of the day, bottom line...what do the Jacksons want to happen? I am so confused! I am so sad for Michael. I really don't think this is what he wants.:angel: Thank you Ivy.

I wonder if the "Jacksons" realize if there is a monetary settlement from AEG, most of it would have to be put it a trust for Michael Jackson's children, most of the money cannot go to Katherine and her children and other grandchildren.
I, also, doube if this lawsuit will result in finding out any additional information as to how Michael Jackson was murdered.
That is what Murray's trial is suppose to reveal.

 

[144000]

Re: Wrongful death lawsuits - Katherine and MJ's kids sue AEG / Murray responds to Joe's lawsuit

I agree with this comment about Michael's good genes. I wouldn't rule out Michael using botox, but I personally don't think he used. Michael still had expression on his face, and not every person over 29 or even over 49 has lines on there face. A small minority of people are blessed with a good skin gene that barely lines, or doesn't line at all.



So why doesn't the claim state or include those treatments then? It doesn't make sense. Don't get me wrong I agree Michael had good genes (look at his mom) I'm just trying to figure out why would he claim payment for botox treatments and not vitilago treatments.

Why would Klein lie about this when he's been under so much scrutiny this past year and risking being barred or fined for asking money for false treatments?

Sorry for going off topic.

lol...why would Klein lie, you ask? some people lie by nature. why did Janet Arvizo never stop lying? for some, there is a point of no return. theyre just liars, and nothing else, especially when money is involved.

 

[yaazgurl]

Re: Wrongful death lawsuits - Katherine and MJ's kids sue AEG / Murray responds to Joe's lawsuit

I dont know why people think that Katherine has filed this lawsuit for money....I know everyone uses Michael as their cash cow...However..in this instance...I believe that Katherine filed this suite with the right intentions..and that is to find out as close as she could what exactly happend to Michael....and to hold EVERYONE not just Murray responsible...that is the only way we will ever get the truth...people HAVE TO BE MADE to talk...and I think this is a great start.

Thank you Thunder. I wholeheartedly agree with this. And Ivy, I disagree that AEG couldn't have gone after all of Michael's assets only recoup the costs of the advance. When someone puts a lean on your home they can take the whole property not just the amount you owe them.

 

[144000]

Re: Wrongful death lawsuits - Katherine and MJ's kids sue AEG / Murray responds to Joe's lawsuit

eh?........vince u do know that mj had a nose job? youve been like this for years. it doesnt matter that mj had work done.

ok, now, you and i both know that that one nose job is not the issue here. Janet got one, too. so did most of hollywood. so did Kardashian. the issue is the outlandish behavior by jealous people that want to believe Michael was pathological with surgery, drugs, and other excesses, when, in reality, these people were pathological, with being jealous of Michael Jackson.

 

[yaazgurl]

Re: Wrongful death lawsuits - Katherine and MJ's kids sue AEG / Murray responds to Joe's lawsuit

Here's another thing to ponder that in my opinion
Now do you honestly believe Michael would put up the Sony/ATV catalog as collateral for concerts he did not HAVE to do - and don't say he was coerced into it, Michael Jackson was NEVER coerced into doing ANYTHING -

Michael has signed over power of attorney in the past and could have been binded to things not in his favor as a result so why wouldn't he put up the Sony/ATV catalog.

 

[riviera1992]

Re: Wrongful death lawsuits - Katherine and MJ's kids sue AEG / Murray responds to Joe's lawsuit

ok, now, you and i both know that that one nose job is not the issue here. the issue is the outlandish behavior by jealous people that want to believe Michael was pathological with surgery, drugs, and other excesses, when, in reality, these people were pathological, with jealousy.

:clapping: Specially when all their wives and girl friends were fantasizing about making love with Michael while in bed with them. That's why most haters are males. Hee Hee!

 

[CherubimII]

Re: Wrongful death lawsuits - Katherine and MJ's kids sue AEG / Murray responds to Joe's lawsuit

I, personally, wil NEVER, NEVER, defend AEG in matters concerning
Michael Jackson.

 

[144000]

Re: Wrongful death lawsuits - Katherine and MJ's kids sue AEG / Murray responds to Joe's lawsuit

:clapping: Specially when all their wives and girl friends were fantasizing about making love with Michael while in bed with them. That's why most haters are males. Hee Hee!

yes..as an objective male, even i can see that. sometimes i even see it on this site..surely it's going on out there, amongst those who surrounded MJ.

the breeding ground for jealousy of MJ is astronomical. but that doesn't excuse the jealous ones.

it's sad that all these complicated issues could be borne of one singular thing such as jealousy..but that is the nature of jealous people.

 

[yaazgurl]

Re: Wrongful death lawsuits - Katherine and MJ's kids sue AEG / Murray responds to Joe's lawsuit

I, personally, wil NEVER, NEVER, defend AEG in matters concerning
Michael Jackson.

So don't you feel they should be held responsible? And that's what this lawsuit is doing.

 

[144000]

Re: Wrongful death lawsuits - Katherine and MJ's kids sue AEG / Murray responds to Joe's lawsuit

Here's another thing to ponder that in my opinion is just if not more important - per the filing under General Allegations #21 ....."AEG would have the right to collect the advance against security provided by Michael Jackson & his co. Michael Jackson LLC. The assets from which AEG could seize from Michael Jackson include the Sony/ATV song catalogue owned by Jackson... Indeed, AEG was even entitled by the contract to recoup from Jackson the production costs for the tour itself if the tour were not successful."
Now do you honestly believe Michael would put up the Sony/ATV catalog as collateral for concerts he did not HAVE to do - and don't say he was coerced into it, Michael Jackson was NEVER coerced into doing ANYTHING he didn't want to do and since when do wrongful death court filings start off like a tribute instead of a legal doc - "This case concerns the tragic death of the internationally beloved artist Michael Jackson"???
This looks more like an attempt to put the entire music industry & it's anti-artist practices on trial & out in the open, it'll be interesting to see how AEG responds to this lawsuit - very interesting indeed -

indeed. it's like people are claiming that Michael would be stupid enough to mortgage his kids' future for the whims of AEG. i don't think so. there's plenty fishy going on here. many a time, people have said that MJ's catalogue is an endangered species..but, as of now, as has been, for years, things look intact in MJ financial central.

 

[acquired_taste]

Re: Wrongful death lawsuits - Katherine and MJ's kids sue AEG / Murray responds to Joe's lawsuit

IMO i think people have been out for Michael Ever Since he finished the Bad tour..... I think Sony AEG and a lot of others in between All circled around Michael and stabbed him

 

[ExoticPrincess]

Re: Wrongful death lawsuits - Katherine and MJ's kids sue AEG / Murray responds to Joe's lawsuit

This is all so mind boggling, but I just want to know......

What would've been so hard in waiting until the criminal case was over?

I know we don't all know the FACTS of whats going on behind the scenes but it just seems to me that The Jackson Family continues to give Murray the perfect defence everytime they open their mouths.

Know this though......we should all be prepared for a big ass mess of legal drama! and Michael will be the one losing AGAIN!

 

[Naturelle]

Re: Wrongful death lawsuits - Katherine and MJ's kids sue AEG / Murray responds to Joe's lawsuit

Well, this is Randy's side...

There is always two or in this case, 3 sides, to every story.

I would have to say, there are many layers to every story.

 

[Ashtanga]

Re: Wrongful death lawsuits - Katherine and MJ's kids sue AEG / Murray responds to Joe's lawsuit

Seriously, this action against AEG not going anywhere. -_-