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Katherine & MJ's kids sue AEG / Trial date April 2, 2013

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ilmjj said:
Ivy, I have a question. IF AEG would for some reason decide to make a cash settlement with the Jacksons, who would get the money? Doesn't Kathryn still owe money to the korean company? Would they take it? At the end of the day, bottom line...what do the Jacksons want to happen? I am so confused! I am so sad for Michael. I really don't think this is what he wants.:angel: Thank you Ivy.
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they can get Katherine's share.

yaazgurl said:
And Ivy, I disagree that AEG couldn't have gone after all of Michael's assets only recoup the costs of the advance. When someone puts a lean on your home they can take the whole property not just the amount you owe them.
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It's not as easy as some people want to portray.

Look to the example of the Korean newsletter example. They got a 4 million judgement against the advance they gave to Jackson's (Joe, Katherine and Jermaine) which by interest became 13 million. 16 years later they are still trying to collect it.

and again to put a lien on first you need to get a judgement at court and then put the lean on an appropriate asset. They start with smaller and liquid assets then the big hard to liquidate assets.

generally lien is a hold placed on property and yes a lien might force the owner to sell but NO by lien they could only get the amount owed to them (and any interest if exists) and nothing more. (yes a lien holder can force you to sell but the lien holder only gets the judgement amount, anything extra left goes to the owner)

and again assets need to be proportionate and there will be some sort of order. In the event of jusgement courts will make you go after first bank accounts then income then small assets then property and so on.
 
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A little more info about the statement coming from AEG.

Lawyers for AEG are responding to the lawsuit filed yesterday by Michael Jackson's mother blaming the event promotion giant for Michael's death.

The allegations in the suit are "inaccurate, unsubstantiated and meritless," according to a statement released by AEG's legal team.

AEG also takes issue with the lawsuit's characterization of its relationship with Jackson's doctor Conrad Murray.

"Dr. Murray was Michael's personal physician," the statement says. "Michael wanted him to go to London and asked AEG to pay for him as an expense of the tour. We would have preferred to hire a doctor in London, as it would have been more cost effective, but Michael insisted on Dr. Murray."

The lawsuit, filed by Michael's mother Katherine Jackson on behalf of the family, seeks unspecified damages on causes of action for breach of contract, negligent hiring, fraud and negligent infliction of emotional distress.


http://www.billboard.com/news/aeg-f...el-jackson-family-1004115137.story?tag=hpfeed
 
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If Michael asked for him why didn't Michael also sign the contract? You would think there would have at least been Michael and Murray's signature. Its obvious Murray felt he was hired by AEG as evidenced by his emails to them in May and June. They are hiding something and feel they can get away with it just because they are a business giant.
 
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If you are talking about Dieter Weisner & the MJ losing his MJ trademark in Germany and Europe because of a bad business deal in 2003, that is a far cry from putting up the Sony catalog for collateral on concerts that would never have been a losing deal, for both MJ & AEG. AEG would have never gone to the table with MJ if they even for a minute thought it was a money losing deal. Michael Jackson made money by just being, well, Michael Jackson. The assertions in this document that state on page 6 that MJ didn't show up to rehearsals on the 18th and that by the time the "Riot Act" meeting took place, he was scared into submission and showed up out of fear later that day and wasn't himself are ridiculous. The guy I see in TII sure don't look like a scared, meek, near-death shell of a man being forced to perform like a circus animal frightened the whip will come down if he didn't produce magic. So if everything is true in this doc, who was that person in TII??? MJ may have loved movies, but he sure was no Laurence Olivier - no one can act that good and no amount of CGI can cover up the condition they say he was in.
All these lawsuits sure signify to me like the blame game is only going to get uglier and more confusing. Straight jacket, anyone??
 
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yaazgurl said:
No. That's what people are hoping.
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We are talking about the Jacksons here. If you believe that their motives are noble and that they will win the trial, welcome to Fantasy Island.

3T are good people. The same for other family members. But we're not talking about them. We're talking about Randy, Janet, Joe ...
 
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HDiva said:
If you are talking about Dieter Weisner & the MJ losing his MJ trademark in Germany and Europe because of a bad business deal in 2003, that is a far cry from putting up the Sony catalog for collateral on concerts that would never have been a losing deal, for both MJ & AEG. AEG would have never gone to the table with MJ if they even for a minute thought it was a money losing deal. Michael Jackson made money by just being, well, Michael Jackson. The assertions in this document that state on page 6 that MJ didn't show up to rehearsals on the 18th and that by the time the "Riot Act" meeting took place, he was scared into submission and showed up out of fear later that day and wasn't himself are ridiculous. The guy I see in TII sure don't look like a scared, meek, near-death shell of a man being forced to perform like a circus animal frightened the whip will come down if he didn't produce magic. So if everything is true in this doc, who was that person in TII??? MJ may have loved movies, but he sure was no Laurence Olivier - no one can act that good and no amount of CGI can cover up the condition they say he was in.
All these lawsuits sure signify to me like the blame game is only going to get uglier and more confusing. Straight jacket, anyone??
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EXACTLY!!! I will take the Straight Jacket--some people need it!!
 
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MJStorm said:
We are talking about the Jacksons here. If you believe that their motives are noble and that they will win the trial, welcome to Fantasy Island.

3T are good people. The same for other family members. But we're talking about Randy, Janet, Joe ...
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So you generalize the jacksons then segregate them, whatever. We are talking about Katherine and Joe. Randy isn't even mentioned nor is Janet but they are be vilified.

What do you think their motives are? if you are gonna say money then no one should ever sue someone because that is the point of suing, you punish someone by taking their money.

Who knows if they will win the case but the fight is worth a try. I'd rather see them try to do something then sit back and say oh well he's dead and let it go.
 
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ivy said:
The lawsuit, filed by Michael's mother Katherine Jackson on behalf of the family, seeks unspecified damages on causes of action for breach of contract, negligent hiring, fraud and negligent infliction of emotional distress.


http://www.billboard.com/news/aeg-f...el-jackson-family-1004115137.story?tag=hpfeed
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Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm


Seeks unspecified damages >>>>>>>>>> $$$$$$$$$$$$


:coffee:
 
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Moulin Rouge said:
So you generalize the jacksons then segreate them, whatever.
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????????????????

:wtf2

Moulin Rouge said:
We are talking about Katherine and Joe. Randy isn't even mentioned nor is Janet but they are be vilified.
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Some people only see what they want to see.:banghead

Moulin Rouge said:
What do you think their motives are? if you are gonna say money then no one should ever sue someone because that is the point of suing, you punish someone by taking their money.

Who knows if they will win the case but the fight is worth a try. I'd rather see them try to do something then sit back and say oh well he's dead and let it go.
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You're right. They are doing by L.O.V.E.:secret:

:lies

:winking2:
 
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I am waiting for some FACTS.
 
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yaazgurl said:
If Michael asked for him why didn't Michael also sign the contract? .
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I get a feeling AEG or someone was holding important info from michael bout the concerts....
 
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Wherefore, Plaintiffs pray for judgment against defendants on all causes of action, and each of them as follows:
A. Economic damages as proved at time of trial
B. Non-economic damages as proved........
C. Exemplary/Punitive damages as proved.....
D. Costs of suits as permitted by law
E. Attorney fees as permitted by law
F. For further relief as the court deems appropriate
The economic damages alone will be virtually impossible to estimate because who knows how much money MJ could have made from the concerts, which would include merchandising, other appearances, Live Concert Audio/Visual recordings etc......if they filmed the rehearsals, you know the concerts would have been, and MJ always filmed his World Tour concerts, so that number alone would be staggering. We've seen what his earning power still is capable of even now - just imagine the numbers they'll have if this ever goes to jury trial -

Does anyone know if there was a Live Simulcast negotiated for these concerts, like he did for HBO in '92 from Bucharest? That alone would have paid all our debt off, including MJ's.
 
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HDiva said:
If you are talking about Dieter Weisner & the MJ losing his MJ trademark in Germany and Europe because of a bad business deal in 2003, that is a far cry from putting up the Sony catalog for collateral on concerts that would never have been a losing deal, for both MJ & AEG. AEG would have never gone to the table with MJ if they even for a minute thought it was a money losing deal. Michael Jackson made money by just being, well, Michael Jackson. The assertions in this document that state on page 6 that MJ didn't show up to rehearsals on the 18th and that by the time the "Riot Act" meeting took place, he was scared into submission and showed up out of fear later that day and wasn't himself are ridiculous. The guy I see in TII sure don't look like a scared, meek, near-death shell of a man being forced to perform like a circus animal frightened the whip will come down if he didn't produce magic. So if everything is true in this doc, who was that person in TII??? MJ may have loved movies, but he sure was no Laurence Olivier - no one can act that good and no amount of CGI can cover up the condition they say he was in.
All these lawsuits sure signify to me like the blame game is only going to get uglier and more confusing. Straight jacket, anyone??
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You don't know from what dates the This Is It performances were taken from. So I don't see your point and handing over power of attorney in my book is just as bad judgement as putting up the catalog which he has done before this wouldn't be the first time.
 
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HDiva said:
The economic damages alone will be virtually impossible to estimate because who knows how much money MJ could have made from the concerts,.
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Well, from the way this suit sounds MJ was too sickly to do any concerts. He needed a full time background searched docter, a nurse, and medical equipment, and to be taken care of like an invalid.

I now wish the plug had been pulled on the whole thing and he returned to Ireland, and never performed again. Sell the damn catalogue, and live the rest of his life in peace. Even in death, he can't have peace. Now, his children are being made part of a lawsuit. Makes me sick.
 
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MJStorm said:
We are talking about the Jacksons here. If you believe that their motives are noble and that they will win the trial, welcome to Fantasy Island.

3T are good people. The same for other family members. But we're not talking about them. We're talking about Randy, Janet, Joe ...
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That's ridiculous. I'm sure 3T are in support of this. I'm objective when it comes to the Jacksons. I can call them out when they are wrong and agree when they are right. Your assumption that just because this is the Jacksons their claim has no merit. That's immature.
 
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8701girl said:
I get a feeling AEG or someone was holding important info from michael bout the concerts....
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I've always felt AEG was just as responsible as Murray and that's why they need to be taken to Court.
 
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gerryevans said:
Well, from the way this suit sounds MJ was too sickly to do any concerts. He needed a full time background searched docter, a nurse, and medical equipment, and to be taken care of like an invalid.

I now wish the plug had been pulled on the whole thing and he returned to Ireland, and never performed again. Sell the damn catalogue, and live the rest of his life in peace. Even in death, he can't have peace. Now, his children are being made part of a lawsuit. Makes me sick.
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I didn't get that from reading the lawsuit. I get that AEG had undue leverage over Michael and placed undue pressure and did underhanded things which caused his death.
 
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Moulin Rouge said:
So you generalize the jacksons then segregate them, whatever. We are talking about Katherine and Joe. Randy isn't even mentioned nor is Janet but they are be vilified.

What do you think their motives are? if you are gonna say money then no one should ever sue someone because that is the point of suing, you punish someone by taking their money.

Who knows if they will win the case but the fight is worth a try. I'd rather see them try to do something then sit back and say oh well he's dead and let it go.
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Bravo! Anything that happened with Michael and his family is in the past.
The fact is, they are his family and they all loved each other. They should try to do what ever it takes to get to the truth. Katherine said in one of her interviews, if I could talk to him one more time, "I would ask him, who did this to you." Not, can I have more money, who did this to you! She is his beloved mother and she lost her son, she has a right to know why.
She obviously isn't buying the, Murray did it on accident theory either. If she did she wouldn't ahve brought this case.
Go get them KJ!! Some of us are with you all the way to the end!
 
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yaazgurl said:
That's ridiculous. I'm sure 3T are in support of this. I'm objective when it comes to the Jacksons. I can call them out when they are wrong and agree when they are right. Your assumption that just because this is the Jacksons their claim has no merit. That's immature.
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Did you hear them say they supported this?
 
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Justthefacts said:
Did you hear them say they supported this?
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It doesn't matter if they support this or not. I don't put them on a pedestal. But it is clear that they believe there is a conspiracy as they supported Katherine's earlier attempt to question the validity of the estate executors named.
 
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HDiva said:
If you are talking about Dieter Weisner & the MJ losing his MJ trademark in Germany and Europe because of a bad business deal in 2003, that is a far cry from putting up the Sony catalog for collateral on concerts that would never have been a losing deal, for both MJ & AEG. AEG would have never gone to the table with MJ if they even for a minute thought it was a money losing deal. Michael Jackson made money by just being, well, Michael Jackson. The assertions in this document that state on page 6 that MJ didn't show up to rehearsals on the 18th and that by the time the "Riot Act" meeting took place, he was scared into submission and showed up out of fear later that day and wasn't himself are ridiculous. The guy I see in TII sure don't look like a scared, meek, near-death shell of a man being forced to perform like a circus animal frightened the whip will come down if he didn't produce magic. So if everything is true in this doc, who was that person in TII??? MJ may have loved movies, but he sure was no Laurence Olivier - no one can act that good and no amount of CGI can cover up the condition they say he was in.
All these lawsuits sure signify to me like the blame game is only going to get uglier and more confusing. Straight jacket, anyone??
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To me there were times in TII that did make me worry as he complained about his throat & he forgot lyrics. The fact that they were not able to edit that out is significant. I would need to see all the footage. Movie magic can do alot.
 
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jrsfan said:
To me there were times in TII that did make me worry as he complained about his throat & he forgot lyrics. The fact that they were not able to edit that out is significant. I would need to see all the footage. Movie magic can do alot.
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Which part showed him complaining about his throat? I heard him say he was saving his voice, which is normal for a singer to do, but I cannot remember about a complaint. Please refresh my memory.
 
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I have TII on now I will let you know
 
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never complained about his throat
 
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