Possible reason 3T (Taj, Taryll & TJ) are against the Cascio track??

[HIStory]

Re: Possible reason 3T & family are against the Cascio track??

Yet, Teddy Riley, Bruce Swedien and other producers did not denounce the statement. They were all quoted ...

Cory rooney is Taryll's manager...he too is mad his client's song won't make it unto the biggest album of the year



MJ did not register many of his songs. That is why the estate went out last November & early this year..and register hundreds of songs & drawings.

This argument fails.

At least the Cascios register them the day after MJ passed...so we can't say they fucked the tracks after he passed. They obviously over-processed them while he was still alive & as far as we know they were friends until he died.

His kids spent their first xmas without their father with the Cascios...not the Jacksons.

That should tell you how close they were to MJ & his kids.

Cory Rooney is NOT Taryll's manager. Teddy Riley was wrong or lying about that. Cory Rooney himself pointed that out.

Let's wait and see what Taryll will have to say about that meeting. Bruce Swedien was not yet asked to comment publicly, so we don't know what he really thinks.

Jennifer Batten, for one, thinks it sounds nothing like Michael.

I know the Cascios were close to Michael. That doesn't mean they should be allwed to toy around with his musical legacy.

 

[HIStory]

Re: Possible reason 3T & family are against the Cascio track??

Which is REALLY why you agree with 3t's baseless claims lol. You think the song sucks and that MJ would never release something like it. Lol well I love MJ as much as the next fan, but Not everything he put out was considered "oh soooo AMAZING" by ALL and that's ok. lol the rest of your post is eaxctly why I don't believe 3t...If that's what actually happened, take their asses to court and stay off of twitter. SIMPLE. but the truth is, thats NOT what happened and that fact is becoming clearer to me with every tweet from them.

Oh and I don't see where I'm "bashing" 3t and "praising" the Casico's lol...please point this out to me. Thank You!

If MJ released something that wasn't that good at least it was his doing. Now other people releasing stuff in his name. And it's one thing to release something that not everybody likes, but have you heard the acapella of BN? What the hell is that? Cut and paste, cut and paste, cut and paste, cut and paste..... Do you think it's all cool to do that to MJ and his legacy?

 

[Memefan]

Re: Possible reason 3T & family are against the Cascio track??

Cory Rooney is NOT Taryll's manager. Teddy Riley was wrong or lying about that. Cory Rooney himself pointed that out.

Let's wait and see what Taryll will have to say about that meeting. Bruce Swedien was not yet asked to comment publicly, so we don't know what he really thinks.

I know the Cascios were close to Michael. That doesn't mean they should be allwed to toy around with his musical legacy.

Rooney & 3T are in business. Is that better? Bruce swedien, Greg Philliganes don't need the press to ask questions. They can call AP , like Teddy Riley did on Thursday, and tell them Weitzman misquoted them.

Ask yourself, why hasn't Rooney gone after Sony? I haven't read all his messages..but it's clear he is going after the estate.

Him questioning why MJ's family doesn't have a say in the estate...shows me he is bias. Well, hmmmmm Michael Jackson wanted it that way...and he was a freaking genius for keeping all members of his family away.

That is why it disturbs me to no end that John McClain involved not only Jackie, but 3T in the production of the album. Makes me question his allegiance to MJ's final wishes.

If MJ released something that wasn't that good at least it was his doing. Now other people releasing stuff in his name. And it's one thing to release something that not everybody likes, but have you heard the acapella of BN? What the hell is that? Cut and paste, cut and paste, cut and paste, cut and paste..... Do you think it's all cool to do that to MJ and his legacy?

Well, the estate now IS Michael. So, consider it like that...his estate, which he created upon his death, is making the decisions now. Better?

3T using Michael Jackson for their own personal vendetta should tell you something. They are not the people we thought they were. They won't mind using minor, innocent children to get something...and knowing how protective MJ was of his kids...that should worry you. Because we all believed / hoped...they were different. We all assumed, they were the children' only chance...well the rug just got pulled from under us.


These kids will have no choice but fence for themselves...in a shark swarm.



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[babykinsilk05]

Re: Possible reason 3T & family are against the Cascio track??

Cory Rooney is NOT Taryll's manager. Teddy Riley was wrong or lying about that. Cory Rooney himself pointed that out.

Let's wait and see what Taryll will have to say about that meeting. Bruce Swedien was not yet asked to comment publicly, so we don't know what he really thinks.

Jennifer Batten, for one, thinks it sounds nothing like Michael.

I know the Cascios were close to Michael. That doesn't mean they should be allwed to toy around with his musical legacy.

Bruce Sweidien (however you spell it) does not have to be "asked" to comment directly on this situation. If his NAME is being brough into an argument like this and he's being QUOTED as saying something he didn't, trust, he WOULD speak out. Period. And (just like ya'll say "just because the estate SAID this it doesn't make it ture") I'll say, just because Corey Rooney claims he's not Tayrll's manager does that make it true also?...lol I swear, use your own argument sometimes.

 

[babykinsilk05]

Re: Possible reason 3T & family are against the Cascio track??

Rooney & 3T are in business. Is that better?

Ask yourself, why hasn't Rooney gone after Sony? I haven't read all his messages..but it's clear he is going after the estate.

Him questioning why MJ's family doesn't have a say in the estate...shows me he is bias. Well, hmmmmm Michael Jackson wanted it that way...sand he was a freaking genius for keeping all members of his family away.

That is why it disturbs me to no end that John McClain involved not only Jackie, but 3T in the production of the album. Makes me question his allegiance to MJ's final wishes.

THANK YOU lol

This shit is so obvious...

 

[HIStory]

Re: Possible reason 3T & family are against the Cascio track??

I'm sorry but I had to respond...please think before you post. The estate is being run by a bunch of amateurs? So the Crique deal, the Wii games, the DVD set, and the "This is it" deal were all finalized by amateurs huh? lol. And SONY has no interest in MJ? oh right, that's why they went into the biggest deal in music history with his estate right? And that's why in this deal, Sony only controls the distribution aspect and NOTHING else right? Ok yea...I said it before and I'll say it again..."fans" are really showing there assess with this mess.

The Estate are good at doing business, but apparently not good at making music or choosing those who they work with in keeping up MJ's legacy.....

 

[babykinsilk05]

The Estate are good at doing business, but apparently not good at making music or choosing those who they work with in keeping up MJ's legacy.....

Sign...yes and WHO would be better at it? 3t? So far, the estate has only gotten people involved with this project that they know have PERSONALLY worked with MJ in the past and so posses some kind of inkling as to what he would’ve wanted and how he would’ve done things. Come better please.

 

[HIStory]

Bruce Sweidien (however you spell it) does not have to be "asked" to comment directly on this situation. If his NAME is being brough into an argument like this and he's being QUOTED as saying something he didn't, trust, he WOULD speak out. Period. And (just like ya'll say "just because the estate SAID this it doesn't make it ture") I'll say, just because Corey Rooney claims he's not Tayrll's manager does that make it true also?...lol I swear, use your own argument sometimes.

Not quite. Weitzman's statment has NEVER been officially posted on any official websites or the press, just on fan forums. Bruce Swedien does not read MJ fan forums. Some colleague of his was asked about it on FB and he said Bruce is in studio right now and he didn't read the statement and he doesn't attend fan forums. This guy (Christophe Petitclerc) also said Bruce did NOT say it's MJ on those tracks....

Christophe Petitclerc Nah, Bruce Swedien didn't support Breaking News, this is just a lie. Teddy did though. I don't know why...
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Christophe Petitclerc ‎1) we don't know if the statement is indeed coming from the estate, it was made public by a fan website, which is weird.

2) I think Bruce is in studio right now, he might not have heard about the so called statement yet. Bruce doesn't read fan websites/forums.
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Cory Rooney Bruce is not the type to get involved with this kind of stuff. If that statement was made by the estate, it was lawyers and managers and not the Jackson family.
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Now, I don't know if this FB account is authentic, but if it is then it means it's not over yet.....

 

[la_cienega]

Re: Possible reason 3T & family are against the Cascio track??

Him questioning why MJ's family doesn't have a say in the estate...shows me he is bias. Well, hmmmmm Michael Jackson wanted it that way...and he was a freaking genius for keeping all members of his family away.
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It reminds me of what Joe said about none of the children earning any money off this album when asked about the fake songs... Why would he randomly bring that up and how could that be possible... unless he was talking about other family members not earning money from it? Karen Faye asked why the Cascio's hadn't given the songs directly to the kids instead of Sony, why say that? Why would the kids benefit more from fake songs?

I have to ask...what do SONY AND THE ESTATE have to GAIN from doing this? WHAT??? Somebody anybody answer this? Really what? They all LOSE if this is what they are trying to pull. It's simple. the easy answer is usually the right one. Stop grasping at conspiracy theories and look at what's really going on. 3t has some kind of beef with the Casico's (or the estate or both). What is it? I mean Tayrll even went as far as to indirectly claim that the statement from Wietzman was FAKE too lol wow.

I'll put my crazy hat on... SONY WILL GAIN OWNERSHIP OF THE CATALOGUE. They cleverly decided that only three fake songs on a new album would sabotage Michael's entire legacy and the estate would be forced into selling the catalogue and the world will end. They figured that even though they knew 3T would be telling everyone these songs were fake they could get away with it and nobody would care. They decided to pay off at least 19 people so far to use these fake songs (and none of their family memebers or anyone involved has blabbed, Sony operates like the FBI) and keep issuing statements about how these songs are actually real instead of acting scared that they'd been caught out and running away. 3T decided ever since Perez Hilton called for the police on twitter that they can also air out their legal worries on twitter too instead of actually getting a legal representative to put an injunction on fraud.

They figured people would doubt it all so much based on these three songs that they'd ruin the album sales and all future deals would be over and then they'd gain all rights to the catalogue. They were actually HOPING that 3T would do all of this and the sales would drop. They're so relieved that 3T could see through their evil plans.

Is that not logical to you?

And for those saying 3t have nothing to gain...how do you know? What they "gain" does NOT have to be a monetary thing.

Hmmm.

The way they're handling this makes me think of a game. They only seem interested in fan support, not justice.

Someone also tweeted Taryll this, I don't know how they claim to know any of these things...

http://www.twitlonger.com/show/e554022300d5ed32c7f88665987fa36e

 

[sas2]

Re: Possible reason 3T & family are against the Cascio track??

It reminds me of what Joe said about none of the children earning any money off this album when asked about the fake songs... Why would he randomly bring that up and how could that be possible... unless he was talking about other family members not earning money from it? Karen Faye asked why the Cascio's hadn't given the songs directly to the kids instead of Sony, why say that? Why would the kids benefit more from fake songs?



I'll put my crazy hat on... SONY WILL GAIN OWNERSHIP OF THE CATALOGUE. They cleverly decided that only three fake songs on a new album would sabotage Michael's entire legacy and the estate would be forced into selling the catalogue and the world will end. They figured that even though they knew 3T would be telling everyone these songs were fake they could get away with it and nobody would care. They decided to pay off at least 19 people so far to use these fake songs (and none of their family memebers or anyone involved has blabbed, Sony operates like the FBI) and keep issuing statements about how these songs are actually real instead of acting scared that they'd been caught out and running away. 3T decided ever since Perez Hilton called for the police on twitter that they can also air out their legal worries on twitter too instead of actually getting a legal representative to put an injunction on fraud.

They figured people would doubt it all so much based on these three songs that they'd ruin the album sales and all future deals would be over and then they'd gain all rights to the catalogue.

Is that not logical to you?



Hmmm.

The way they're handling this makes me think of a game. They only seem interested in fan support, not justice.

Someone also tweeted Taryll this, I don't know how they claim to know any of these things...

http://www.twitlonger.com/show/e554022300d5ed32c7f88665987fa36e

Ehhhhhh......... hahaha that sounds like a soap series to me!

Intereseting post from that twitter thing though.

 

[babykinsilk05]

Re: Possible reason 3T & family are against the Cascio track??

It reminds me of what Joe said about none of the children earning any money off this album when asked about the fake songs... Why would he randomly bring that up and how could that be possible... unless he was talking about other family members not earning money from it? Karen Faye asked why the Cascio's hadn't given the songs directly to the kids instead of Sony, why say that? Why would the kids benefit more from fake songs?



I'll put my crazy hat on... SONY WILL GAIN OWNERSHIP OF THE CATALOGUE. They cleverly decided that only three fake songs on a new album would sabotage Michael's entire legacy and the estate would be forced into selling the catalogue and the world will end. They figured that even though they knew 3T would be telling everyone these songs were fake they could get away with it and nobody would care. They decided to pay off at least 19 people so far to use these fake songs (and none of their family memebers or anyone involved has blabbed, Sony operates like the FBI) and keep issuing statements about how these songs are actually real instead of acting scared that they'd been caught out and running away. 3T decided ever since Perez Hilton called for the police on twitter that they can also air out their legal worries on twitter too instead of actually getting a legal representative to put an injunction on fraud.

They figured people would doubt it all so much based on these three songs that they'd ruin the album sales and all future deals would be over and then they'd gain all rights to the catalogue.

Is that not logical to you?



Hmmm.

The way they're handling this makes me think of a game. They only seem interested in fan support, not justice.

Someone also tweeted Taryll this, I don't know how they claim to know any of these things...

http://www.twitlonger.com/show/e554022300d5ed32c7f88665987fa36e

Yup..that's about right. lol

 

[jmoses]

You know what the estate should do?
Threaten to pull "why" from disc 3 of Vision if 3T don't stop undermining the new album.

They're definitely making some pennies off it being on there.

That'd show 'em.

 

[Ohood]

Teddy said the 3T problem is the Cascios, for him the family are not against the songs in the first place but against the cascios family !

remember the casico's family are friends with Grace and Grace and the bodygaurds were against the family when Michael's three kids were in danger...the Jacksons will not let anyone take the new cash cows away from them....the fight is mainly between the families and about the kids and eventually money !

Grace and the bodygaurd were send away , and the Cascio's now should pay for what they did ! my 2 cents !

 

[la_cienega]

Teddy said the 3T problem is the Cascios, for him the family are not against the songs in the first place but against the cascios family !

remember the casico's family are friends with Grace and Grace and the bodygaurds were against the family when Michael's three kids were in danger...the Jacksons will not let anyone take the new cash cows away from them....the fight is mainly between the families and about the kids and eventually money !

Grace and the bodygaurd were send away , and the Cascio's now should pay for what they did ! my 2 cents !

The Cascio's were friends with Grace? Do you have a source?

I would expect Randy to be raging more on twitter if that were true.... hmmm. Randy's silence on this is interesting though :lol:

You know what the estate should do?
Threaten to pull "why" from disc 3 of Vision if 3T don't stop undermining the new album.

They're definitely making some pennies off it being on there.

That'd show 'em.

Gasp! They might actually really call their lawyers up if that happens!

I forgot to add....

The Cascio's/Sony also decided that they'd cleverly make the songs sound like demo's, instead of going to the effort of getting their impersonator to do complete songs that would be harder to detect, they just made him do a really scratchy demo where you could hear all the imperfections, because... well, I'm not quite sure why they did that. Maybe they were lazy or maybe this is something just too ingenious that they decided upon that my brain just can't understand.

 

[xrisx]

I don't know who to trust or who is telling the truth anymore.
There is only one thing I'm sure of and that is that the fans are being played with.
We are the only ones being affected by this at the moment because of all the drama.
Look at what has happened to the fan community during this week.

It's been a week and we still have no straight anwsers, no action is being taken by the family opposing this, we are just left with a whole bunch of confusion.
We don't deserve to be in the middle of all of this. All we want to do is support Michael.

Someone, anyone, should come forward and explain what's really going on, why there are conflicting messages out there, etc.
We've waited long enough, the game should be over by now.

 

[SunsetDriver]

Re: Possible reason 3T & family are against the Cascio track??

Not quite. Weitzman's statment has NEVER been officially posted on any official websites or the press, just on fan forums..

Not true.
Just google it

http://www.google.com/search?q=mich...ainst-album-track-fake-allegations-11-12-2010

http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2010/nov/12/michael-jackson-album-fake-claims

Michael Jackson estate fights back against album track 'fake' allegations

Estate says former Jackson producers and forensic musicologists agree the King of Pop sings on the 'Cascio tracks'


http://www.examiner.com/jackson-fam...nvinced-breaking-news-features-singer-s-voice

Michael Jackson: Estate lawyer convinced "Breaking News" features singer's voice



and so onhttp://news.google.com/news/more?hl...sult&ct=more-results&resnum=1&ved=0CCMQqgIwAA

:cheeky:

 

[la_cienega]

Re: Possible reason 3T & family are against the Cascio track??

Not true.
Just google it

http://www.google.com/search?q=mich...ainst-album-track-fake-allegations-11-12-2010

http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2010/nov/12/michael-jackson-album-fake-claims

Michael Jackson estate fights back against album track 'fake' allegations

Estate says former Jackson producers and forensic musicologists agree the King of Pop sings on the 'Cascio tracks'


http://www.examiner.com/jackson-fam...nvinced-breaking-news-features-singer-s-voice

Michael Jackson: Estate lawyer convinced "Breaking News" features singer's voice



and so onhttp://news.google.com/news/more?hl...sult&ct=more-results&resnum=1&ved=0CCMQqgIwAA

:cheeky:

Taryll also confirmed it's real........

 

[JMie]

Re: Possible reason 3T & family are against the Cascio track??

Taryll also confirmed it's real........

yeah and moved on to attacking the next song. smh.

 

[la_cienega]

Re: Possible reason 3T & family are against the Cascio track??

yeah and moved on to attacking the next song. smh.

I'm sure he's sitting on his mountain of evidence he's waiting to unleash, his own forensic reports and money trails to all these 19 (so far) people involved. Maybe he'll unleash it on the evening before the album drops in full?

 

[Ohood]

thanx to the Jacksons they destroyd every good thing about MJ, the movie , the trial, they spread the addiction stories, they now destroy Mj fan base ,,,,after this year no real Mj fan base will survive this confusion.....

without his family he would be stay alive now and they killed his legacy again after his death....money make people blind and heartless !

 

[marc_vivien]

Re: Possible reason 3T & family are against the Cascio track??

I'm sure he's sitting on his mountain of evidence he's waiting to unleash, his own forensic reports and money trails to all these 19 (so far) people involved. Maybe he'll unleash it on the evening before the album drops in full?

his own forensic reports ??

the guy has No money

 

[la_cienega]

Re: Possible reason 3T & family are against the Cascio track??

his own forensic reports ??

the guy has No money

It was sarcasm, of course he won't have his own forensic reports. He's just got his "I know my uncle" so far.

But the family could petition the estate to do another forensic report for them, or they could ask Katherine for some money the estate gives her to fund another one. Hell, they could ask some of these fans who are boycotting to fund one. Does Cory Rooney have money?

If they were serious about this then there are ways they could do it. Even Joe Jackson can afford to hire a lawyer.

 

[marc_vivien]

Joe has No money. Oxman is working for free

 

[TeharaMJ]

My opinion is that we are too quick to judge the nephews here. The standard of those songs are possibly atrocious..incomplete and demo versions which have been polished up to sound something remortely presentable. A half arsed song is just as demeaning - think this is where the disagreement lies bewteen the Jackson family and the rest - No idea why the Cascio's are even in this equation is the first place.

Im giving the Ts the benefit of the doubt.

I agree the Oprah interview was a rubbish move but Michael was addicted to prescription medication - there's nothing to spread there. You know, I know everyone knows...so rather than the family bury their heads in the sand they did lament for the cruel consequences of addiction - can't criticise them for that.

 

[Snow White 1937]

Re: Possible reason 3T & family are against the Cascio track??

yeah and moved on to attacking the next song. smh.

Exactly!
I am so tired of all this and honestly, I am beyond caring what anyone has to say, or who claims to know the "truth". Nothing will stop me from buying this album. NOTHING!

 

[la_cienega]

Joe has No money. Oxman is working for free

Even better then, they can hire Oxman.

 

[la_cienega]

Start reading these tweets from the bottom:


IAMMjJackson Mj Jackson
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!
40 minutes ago

IAMMjJackson Mj Jackson
BOYCOTTING THIS ALBUM OR TRYING TO CREATE MORE CONTROVERSY, IS DAMAGING TO MICHAEL'S LEGACY AND IN TURN HARMING THE RESULTS FOR HIS KIDS.
40 minutes ago

IAMMjJackson Mj Jackson
TEDDY IS TELLING THE TRUTH! FANS GOING AGAINST THIS TRACK AND OTHERS, WHICH ARE BEING RELEASED, IS A DIRECT INSULT TO MICHAEL!
41 minutes ago

IAMMjJackson Mj Jackson
JM WANTED TO FEATURE ANOTHER PAUL ANKA TRACK FOR GOD'S SAKE, AND SOME OTHER OLD SONGS HE PROBABLY MADE SIDE DEALS ON!
44 minutes ago

IAMMjJackson Mj Jackson
P HAS COMMENTED AGAINST HER WILL. THEY WERE PLAYING ON KEYBOARDS WHILST THEIR DAD WAS SINGING THESE SONGS. DON'T BELIEVE EVERYTHING YOU READ
45 minutes ago

IAMMjJackson Mj Jackson
AS FAR AS IMPOSING P&P TO SIGN OFF ON A LETTER THAT SUGGESTS THEY ALSO BELIEVE THE TRACK TO BE A FAKE. TRUTH OF THE MATTER IS, IT IS NOT!

 

[JMie]

My opinion is that we are too quick to judge the nephews here. The standard of those songs are possibly atrocious..incomplete and demo versions which have been polished up to sound something remortely presentable. A half arsed song is just as demeaning - think this is where the disagreement lies bewteen the Jackson family and the rest - No idea why the Cascio's are even in this equation is the first place.

Im giving the Ts the benefit of the doubt.

I agree the Oprah interview was a rubbish move but Michael was addicted to prescription medication - there's nothing to spread there. You know, I know everyone knows...so rather than the family bury their heads in the sand they did lament for the cruel consequences of addiction - can't criticise them for that.

no, not EVERYONE knows. don't start the drug addiction talks. just so you know, it's forbidden on this site.

 

[ivy]

Re: Possible reason 3T & family are against the Cascio track??

. Bruce Swedien was not yet asked to comment publicly, so we don't know what he really thinks.

one colleague of his was asked about it on FB and he said Bruce is in studio right now and he didn't read the statement and he doesn't attend fan forums.

I don't know who or how credible this colleague is but a lot of people (including people from gearslutz) has reached out to Bruce Swedien via email and such and he hasn't responded. However that's not significant as people had been asking him whether or not he was working on Micheal's album and he never responded to that questions as well.

Jennifer Batten, for one, thinks it sounds nothing like Michael.

I believe she only listened to the streaming version. No one claims that she has listened to the raw vocal tracks.

Weitzman's statment has NEVER been officially posted on any official websites or the press, just on fan forums.

see below

Taryll also confirmed it's real........

and see this from taryll's twitter

"After calling his office, somebody confirmed that the statement did come from Howard."

http://www.twitlonger.com/show/6uki8f

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For me I'm really tired with this events and do not even want to think why anyone is saying or doing anything. However there's one question that remains in my mind that why they have never take any legal action? Seriously who fights their battles on Twitter? Unless they can come up with actual proof and not just "I know my uncle" or take legal action (go to court to get an injunction or sue the parties involved for fraud), it's just a personal opinion of Taryll, nothing more.

 

[Mack]

the reason 3T are against the tracks is very clear and simple:

They love their uncle... respect his legacy, and don't want fake songs released. THE SONGS ARE FAKE. Simple as that, there is no gray area