Katherine & MJ's kids sue AEG / Trial date April 2, 2013

[Autumn II]

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Conrad Murray to Joe Jackson: Objection!!!
3 minutes ago by TMZ Staff

Dr. Conrad Murray is making it clear -- he will fight Joe Jackson tooth and nail in the Michael Jackson wrongful death lawsuit.


In new legal documents -- obtained by TMZ -- Dr. Murray's lawyer, Charles Peckham, is asking the judge to throw out statements attributed to Michael Jackson ... that Katherine Jackson was acting as an agent -- a go-between -- in funneling support money to Joe.

Peckham says the claims that Katherine was Michael's agent -- made by Joe's lawyer, Brian Oxman, and Leonard Rowe, the self-proclaimed former MJ advisor, are nothing but rank hearsay.

For example, Oxman said in legal papers filed last week, "[Michael Jackson] supported his father, Joseph Jackson, by making payments to his mother, Katherine Jackson, on a monthly basis." Peckham calls Oxman an "incompetent legal expert."

Peckham also claims there is no proof Rowe ever served as Michael's advisor.

Not a surprising response. I doubt this lawsuit will fly, but to be accurate, this doesn't have to depend on hearsay, but on Joseph's financial records. If there are deposits made which cannot be accounted for by income from investments, Social Security, or whatever, a case can be made that they were funneled to him from Michael, through Katherine. Her bank records might show the same. (unless it was all cash, in which case, Joe is screwed).

Whether or not Rowe was Michael's "advisor" can be proven, probably, by the FIRING letter Michael wrote. One doesn't fire someone who is not employed?

I think this lawsuit is counter-productive, but what really matters is the documentation, if any, that exists.

How is Murray paying for his defense of this, anyway? Just wondering.

 

[ivy]

Re: Wrongful death lawsuits - Katherine and MJ's kids sue AEG / Murray responds to Joe's lawsuit

this doesn't have to depend on hearsay, but on Joseph's financial records. If there are deposits made which cannot be accounted for by income from investments, Social Security, or whatever, a case can be made that they were funneled to him from Michael, through Katherine. Her bank records might show the same. (unless it was all cash, in which case, Joe is screwed).

I believe it would need a little bit more than that. Even if there are financial records it will only show that Katherine gave money to Joe but not whether or not Michael knew about money being given to Joe and/or used his mother as an agent. The best evidence for this claim would be an statement from Katherine - which is interestingly not present.

How is Murray paying for his defense of this, anyway? Just wondering.

The cost of the lawyers for this wrongful death lawsuit is most probably paid by his medical malpractice insurance. Malpractice insurances pay the defense costs plus any possible fines associated with the outcome of the trial.

 

[Autumn II]

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I believe it would need a little bit more than that. Even if there are financial records it will only show that Katherine gave money to Joe but not whether or not Michael knew about money being given to Joe and/or used his mother as an agent. The best evidence for this claim would be an statement from Katherine - which is interestingly not present.



The cost of the lawyers for this wrongful death lawsuit is most probably paid by his medical malpractice insurance. Malpractice insurances pay the defense costs plus any possible fines associated with the outcome of the trial.

Yeah, that makes sense, and Joe's lawsuit is digressive, anyway. Oxman does NOT have good advice to give, IMHO. His career consists of going on the talk shows, anyway?

 

[elusive moonwalker]

EXCLUSIVE: 'Puppet' Katherine Jackson Being Controlled By Son Randy & Naked Wrestling BossEXCLUSIVE: 'Puppet' Katherine Jackson Being Controlled By Son Randy & Naked Wrestling Boss

Katherine Jackson was persuaded by her son, Randy, to file the wrongful death lawsuit against AEG, RadarOnline.com has exclusively learned.

“Katherine didn't want to sue AEG for Michael's death,” a source with knowledge of the situation tells us.

“Katherine was ultimately swayed by her son Randy to sue AEG.

“Most people assume that the lawsuit was Joe's -- and that Joe controls Katherine, but Randy has much more control of Katherine than Joe does.

Joe spends a majority of his time in Las Vegas.

“Randy lives in Southern California and sees Katherine at least 4-5 times a week."

The wrongful death lawsuit that Katherine filed against AEG stunned even her closest advisers who weren't notified about the action.

“Katherine has a couple of business associates that are independent of any Jackson family control or influence,” said the source.

“Those associates weren't told about the lawsuit and were absolutely stunned, as they had advised her in the past not to sue AEG.”

Michael's three children, who live at the Jackson family Encino compound, are going to have to endure their dad's name being dragged through the mud again, the source claimed.

Michael's children are going to suffer the most because of this lawsuit,” added the source.

“It's truly sad that they are going to have to go through this. The kids will hear unflattering things about their dad because of this lawsuit.

“They are the real victims in all of this.”

Randy Jackson is responsible for introducing Howard Mann, the founder of the Naked Women's Wrestling League, to his mom.

Said the source, “It was Howard Mann's idea to have Katherine and Joe appear on The Oprah Winfrey Show.

“Katherine is for all intents and purposes a puppet for Randy and Howard for financial gain for the two of them

"Katherine is biting the hand that feeds her by suing AEG.

“One of the reasons Michael's estate is getting out of the red, and making a profit, is because of the footage AEG shot of Michael during his rehearsals, which ended up being turned into the movie that has made the estate very, very rich.”

only what many fans have been saying for a long time. wonder who the source is behind this if there is one.

The best evidence for this claim would be an statement from Katherine - which is interestingly not present.

most important thing that would solve this lawsuuit either way. why has nothing been said by katherine or why isnt she just deposed

 

[Big Apple2]

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Thanks for that RadarOnline story. I find it quite funny!

First Randy Jackson was RUNNING to RadarOnline to put "somebody" on blast. Now "somebody" has run to RadarOnline to put Randy Jackson on blast. What a cycle. LOL!

I hope Randy didn't think RadarOnline would be loyal to him, because he sometimes gives them scoops.

Oh what a tangled web we weave.........

 

[StacyJ]

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Thanks for that RadarOnline story. I find it quite funny!

First Randy Jackson was RUNNING to RadarOnline to put "somebody" on blast. Now "somebody" has run to RadarOnline to put Randy Jackson on blast. What a cycle. LOL!

I hope Randy didn't think RadarOnline would be loyal to him, because he sometimes gives them scoops.

Oh what a tangled web we weave.........

Oh I thought he loved x17online and TMZ.. I thought Leonard Rowe is the one that always ran to radar online.

 

[Big Apple2]

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Oh I thought he loved x17online and TMZ.. I thought Leonard Rowe is the one that always ran to radar online.

Oh okay, my bad. In my mind, they're all the same. LOL!

Yes, I believe you're correct. Leonard Rowe did give an interview to RadarOnline to talk about the "meeting" he had a Janet's crib with Randy, Oxman and himself.

Sorry about that.

 

[blankyluvdoodoo]

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now its a competition ,who runs fast to the tabloids .this time that someone is winner.

 

[bgz]

Re: Wrongful death lawsuits - Katherine and MJ's kids sue AEG / Murray responds to Joe's lawsuit

I'm writing myself a reminder to call the Medical Library and/or physician information databank at my hosital tomorrow and ask how I can verify a physician's reported credentials, training, etc. It's entered my mind to do this in the past, but I've always forgotten about it with other things in my life taking precedence.

It strikes me as odd that one must "PAY" for info regarding any physician that you or I may be considering as a medical care provider. Using the internet for something like this seems to have it's own set of restrictions, but considering the huge push recently for taking responsibility for our own medical decisions, I would certainly think info would be more readily available.

Just quoting myself here. I did call the medical staff library just a few minutes ago, of course didn't get a live person, but left a message and my phone number. Basically I explained that I was looking for information on how/where to reliably and factually research a physician, his credentials, training, experience, etc., when trying to choose a physician for myself or a family member. Hopefully there will be a return call today.

 

[ivy]

Re: Wrongful death lawsuits - Katherine and MJ's kids sue AEG / Murray responds to Joe's lawsuit

From Joe Jackson appeal case

10/08/2010 Received: Oral argument CD request from Charles Peckham. [CD sent via requesting party's FedEx envelope on October 12, 2010.]

 

[8701girl]

Re: Wrongful death lawsuits - Katherine and MJ's kids sue AEG / Murray responds to Joe's lawsuit

Thanks for that RadarOnline story. I find it quite funny!

First Randy Jackson was RUNNING to RadarOnline to put "somebody" on blast. Now "somebody" has run to RadarOnline to put Randy Jackson on blast. What a cycle. LOL!

I hope Randy didn't think RadarOnline would be loyal to him, because he sometimes gives them scoops.

Oh what a tangled web we weave.........

Its crazy!

 

[Memefan]

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From Joe Jackson appeal case

10/08/2010 Received: Oral argument CD request from Charles Peckham. [CD sent via requesting party's FedEx envelope on October 12, 2010.]

So Murray's attorney wants to know what idiot Oxman said...so they can use it in the wrongful death suit?

 

[ivy]

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plus anything that the other lawyers said about Joe being dependent or not.

and yes they'll probably use it in their request about the wrongful death lawsuit

 

[Memefan]

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plus anything that the other lawyers said about Joe being dependent or not.

and yes they'll probably use it in their request about the wrongful death lawsuit

I cannot believe this.

Murray is looking good in the media....His lawyers are professional & quick.
Murray is literally winning the PR game...while the family keeps destroying MJ's legacy & jeopardizes the criminal case.

And AEG has not even pulled out the big guns yet.

:doh:

I wanna cry.

 

[Big Apple2]

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From Joe Jackson appeal case

10/08/2010 Received: Oral argument CD request from Charles Peckham. [CD sent via requesting party's FedEx envelope on October 12, 2010.]

(Dang, ivy, you're QUICK! I'm so glad that we have you as a part of this forum.)

Man, I KNEW IT! I JUST KNEW IT!

Murray's legal team is just sitting in the corner, watching everything that is going on and are probably rubbing their hands together in glee at the foolishness of Joe Jackson and his many different lawsuits.

They are "probably" also keeping a record of everything that is being said by the various family members about Michael.

This is just tragic, in my opinion and so avoidable.

 

[goldiee]

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(Dang, ivy, you're QUICK! I'm so glad that we have you as a part of this forum.)

Man, I KNEW IT! I JUST KNEW IT!

Murray's legal team is just sitting in the corner, watching everything that is going on and are probably rubbing their hands together in glee at the foolishness of Joe Jackson and his many different lawsuits.

They are "probably" also keeping a record of everything that is being said by the various family members about Michael.

This is just tragic, in my opinion and so avoidable.

You know it. That's why this Oprah interview is such a bad idea. They will be watching that interview with the rest of America and taking notes.
All the intervention talk, all of that, will come up again in a court of law.

 

[ivy]

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Judge Slams Conrad Murray and Joe Jackson
36 minutes ago by TMZ Staff

The judge in the wrongful death lawsuit Joe Jackson filed against Dr. Conrad Murray lashed out at both sides ... saying they both screwed up.



Judge John Walter denied Dr. Murray's motion to dismiss the case, concluding Murray's lawyer, Charles Peckham, violated court rules by not trying to resolve the issues with Joe's attorney before filing his motion.

But the judge also said Joe's lawyer, Brian Oxman, was slow on the uptake in filing his opposition papers ... missing the deadline.

But the judge's ruling isn't permanent. Murray's lawyer is allowed to refile. We're told Peckham will call Oxman -- who almost certainly will tell Peckham to go screw himself -- and then Peckham can refile his motion to get the case thrown out.

http://www.tmz.com/2010/10/13/conrad-murray-joe-jackson-michael-jackson-dead/

 

[marc_vivien]

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Peckham has some excuses ; he is a lawyer from Nevada.

But Oxman never pointed out these rules and had no excuses to file late

 

[Big Apple2]

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Judge Slams Conrad Murray and Joe Jackson
But the judge also said Joe's lawyer, Brian Oxman, was slow on the uptake in filing his opposition papers ... missing the deadline.

Murray's lawyer is allowed to refile.

First of all, Oxman is an idiot. How the heck do you MISS a deadline!

Secondly, Murray's attorney gets to REFILE. Which means he can add any vital information that he obtains from the transcript of Oxman's appeal appearance. Oy Vey!

 

[StacyJ]

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I guess Oxman got his law degree from the same place Murray got his medical degree. They are both highly incompetent individuals

 

[rainny]

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that post wasn't about validity of Klein's claim or what he did or he should be paid or not. It was to show that Michael still went to see Klein after June 18th after reportedly he was instructed to not see Klein or else. There are also fans to confirm that Michael was indeed visited Klein's office on the June 22nd.

The 18th was a Thrusday. Didn't Arnold Klein say on TMZ that the

last time MJ visited his office, he was saying goodbye to everybody?

That would have been the 22nd, yet MJ wasn't leaving L.A for another two weeks.

Was he?

It may be a coincidence.....or not.

 

[noirnoar]

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No gag orders served, no fair trial we will have!

 

[noirnoar]

SAN FRANCISCO DECEMBER 22, 2009 2274
S177649 OXMAN ON DISCIPLINE
Recommended discipline imposed The court orders that RICKEY BRIAN OXMAN, State Bar Number 72172, is suspended from the practice of law in California for two years, execution of that period of suspension is stayed, and he is placed on probation for two years subject to the following conditions: 1. RICKEY BRIAN OXMAN must comply with the conditions of probation recommended by
the Hearing Department of the State Bar Court in its Order Approving Stipulation filed on
August 28, 2009; and 2. At the expiration of the period of probation, if RICKEY BRIAN OXMAN has complied with
the terms of probation, the two-year period of stayed suspension will be satisfied and that
suspension will be terminated. RICKEY BRIAN OXMAN must also take and pass the Multistate Professional Responsibility Examination within one year after the effective date of this order and provide satisfactory proof of such passage to the State Bar’s Office of Probation within the same period. Failure to do so may result in an automatic suspension. (Cal. Rules of Court, rule 9.10(b).) Costs are awarded to the State Bar in accordance with Business and Professions Code section 6086.10 and are enforceable both as provided in Business and Professions Code section 6140.7 and as a money judgment. One-half of the costs must be paid with his membership fees for each of the years 2011 and 2012. If RICKEY BRIAN OXMAN fails to pay any installment as described above, or as may be modified by the State Bar Court, the remaining balance is due and payable immediately.

source:http://www.courtinfo.ca.gov/courts/minutes/documents/SDEC2209.PDF

 

[marc_vivien]

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Oxman is again before the State Bar.

 

[StacyJ]

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Oxman is again before the State Bar.

really? for what this time? He along with Murray do not deserve any kind of license

 

[Ashtanga]

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Oxman is again before the State Bar.

:fear:

 

[marc_vivien]

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here the doc:

http://members.calbar.ca.gov/courtDocs/07-O-11968.pdf

 

[jrsfan]

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here the doc:

http://members.calbar.ca.gov/courtDocs/07-O-11968.pdf

Thanks, Marc. They investigated him quite a ways back. I kind of wonder, why not sooner, why now. hmmmmmm Let me guess,:smilerolleyes:, Weitzman/Branca used their influence to cause trouble for the Jacksons. They should not be filing any lawsuits.:smilerolleyes:

 

[twinklEE]

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yeah right, b/c the Branca and Weitzman have nothing else to do but cause trouble to those poor, innocent genuinely concerned Jackson's. - my foot!

 

[StacyJ]

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Brian Oxman is not very bright.. is he the only one that will respresent Joe Jackson? Joe must can't find anyone else.