Michael Jackson feat. 50 cent - MONSTER - its the real deal says 50 -READ!

[Milka]

Very good promo $ONY! Very good!

More and more people and fans don't want to buy the album....

Thanks to the Cascios, $ONY and the Estate!

Well done.

A futur FLOP is coming.

Ok, Sony wants this album to end up being a flop, some people seem to think that. And then there are those fans who are boycotting it and ask other people to do the same. Which could result in the album becoming a flop, if they reach enough people. Self-fulfilling prophecy? *sarcasm on* Or are they on Sony's payroll? *sarcasm off*

And btw., Dorian - I also like "Monster", just judging from the snippet I heard. I didn't post this, because I know if you post something like that, someone will come along and tell you you are not a real fan ... which in my case is sort of true, haha, so those people can just go right ahead and run in open doors.

 

[AnnieRUOkay89]

I wouldn't even pay much attention to Diplomate or the other person, all of their post have basically been the same. "Fake!! This is gonna flop cuz of $ony, ha ha!!"

 

[Milka]

I wouldn't even pay much attention to Diplomate or the other person, all of their post have basically been the same. "Fake!! This is gonna flop cuz of $ony, ha ha!!"

Yeah, it's just the self-fulfilling prophecy thing that gets me every time (but I managed to keep that to myself until a couple of minutes ago, lol).

 

[smooth_criminal05]

^ The album will not be a flop, it will still do very well. But I will admit, sales could have been higher with the full support from the hardcore fanbase. It's a shame because whatever this album ends up selling, it COULD have been better with everyone's support. It appears a solid 30-40% of MJ's hardcore fans won't even be purchasing the album. Even though that's only ten or twenty thousand people worldwide, those people have friends and family...which translates to over 500,000 people globally who might not purchase the album. Had Sony included 3 different tracks (Jerkins material, RedONE, Will.i.am, other Invincible out-takes, etc) then I think this new album would have done better.

Regardless, I'm still predicting a #1 debut in 15+ countries including US and UK.

 

[marebear]

^ The album will not be a flop, it will still do very well. But I will admit, sales could have been higher with the full support from the hardcore fanbase. It's a shame because whatever this album ends up selling, it COULD have been better with everyone's support. It appears a solid 30-40% of MJ's hardcore fans won't even be purchasing the album. Even though that's only ten or twenty thousand people worldwide, those people have friends and family...which translates to over 500,000 people globally who might not purchase the album. Had Sony included 3 different tracks (Jerkins material, RedONE, Will.i.am, other Invincible out-takes, etc) then I think this new album would have done better.

Regardless, I'm still predicting a #1 debut in 15+ countries including US and UK.

This is what I feared that all this drama over the last few weeks has hurt the album doing better than what might happen. I can only speak for myself but even the excitement of looking forward to this has been hurt too. I thought something like this would bring the fans together not all this friction.

 

[Diplomate]

great post ha ha

N'est-ce pas cher compatriote ^^

This album is a insult to the legacy of the King. They put infinished songs, finished by imitators.

They remixed all the songs on the album. Even Another Day! Why Lenny remixed this song?

Another Day was ready to be on Invincible, so why he remixed the song?

Much Too Soon, remixed. Why? The result is worst that the first link we had....

ANYTHING FOR MONEY.

There is no respect at all for Mike, for his art!

And everybody know it. Some radios in France don't want to put BN or Monster on air play because they don't know if it's Mike who sings!

They check on MJ's boards, and they can see there is a problem.

I don't want to participate to this destruction of his legacy.

I'm A HUGE FAN OF THE KING. I just want Mike! JUST MIKE!

DON'T F.U.C.K WITH HIS LEGACY.

 

[smooth_criminal05]

N'est-ce pas cher compatriote ^^

This album is a insult to the legacy of the King. They put infinished songs, finished by imitators.

They remixed all the songs on the album. Even Another Day! Why Lenny remixed this song?

Another Day was ready to be on Invincible, so why he remixed the song?

Much Too Soon, remixed. Why? The result is worst that the first link we had....

ANYTHING FOR MONEY.

There is no respect at all for Mike, for his art!

And everybody know it. Some radios in France don't want to put BN or Monster on air play because they don't know if it's Mike who sings!

They check on MJ's boards, and they can see there is a problem.

I don't want to participate to this destruction of his legacy.

I'm A HUGE FAN OF THE KING. I just want Mike! JUST MIKE!

DON'T F.U.C.K WITH HIS LEGACY.

Can someone ban this person?

 

[kopwatcher]

Can someone ban this person?

For what reason?

 

[Memefan]

Can someone ban this person?

Exactly. :clapping::clapping::clapping::clapping::clapping::clapping::clapping:

 

[h0opman31]

N'est-ce pas cher compatriote ^^

This album is a insult to the legacy of the King. They put infinished songs, finished by imitators.

They remixed all the songs on the album. Even Another Day! Why Lenny remixed this song?

Another Day was ready to be on Invincible, so why he remixed the song?

Much Too Soon, remixed. Why? The result is worst that the first link we had....

ANYTHING FOR MONEY.

There is no respect at all for Mike, for his art!

And everybody know it. Some radios in France don't want to put BN or Monster on air play because they don't know if it's Mike who sings!

They check on MJ's boards, and they can see there is a problem.

I don't want to participate to this destruction of his legacy.

I'm A HUGE FAN OF THE KING. I just want Mike! JUST MIKE!

DON'T F.U.C.K WITH HIS LEGACY.

what in the blue hell?

 

[AnnieRUOkay89]

Just because they believe in a certain thing, that doesn't make them "clowns", and I'm not referring to the previous two "$ony sux" posters either.

 

[Fentman]

Unless the album version is completely different or the Cascio's provide video evidence of MJ singing Monster then I will not believe it's him. I could see MJ singing this type of song (he may have even helped write it), but the way some words are pronounced are simply not the way MJ would say it.

How in the hell do you know how MJ would sing certain words in 2007?? Because you heard him sing those words in 1979?

Silly.

Here's a newsflash for you: Did Michael ever sing a song like Butterflies before it came out? With such a long, stretching, soulful falsetto? Nope.

Had he ever sang a song like Whatever Happens? Shout? 2000 Watts?

How about Dangerous, with the spoken words? Had he ever done that before?

How about Money, with a virtual rap?

Has he ever done a song like Don't Stop since that one in 1979?

They don't Care About us with such a violent delivery?

The point is, none of you fans (and I've been one since 1976) live in Michael's head. you don't know what he would or would not have done for certain songs. It's all ridiculous.

And this type of stuff "but the way some words are pronounced are simply not the way MJ would say it" is about as arrogant as a person could get.

 

[Fentman]

Just because they believe in a certain thing, that doesn't make them "clowns", and I'm not referring to the previous two "$ony sux" posters either.

There is a difference between "believing" and simply choosing to find a reason for a conspiracy theory based on a myopic view supported only by one's arrogance.

The Cascios stood by MJ during the worst time of his life, the trial. They were kids who were with Michael when he was allegedly a child molester and they stood up for him through thick and thin.

Now we're supposed to believe that they are a bunch of lying thieves selling fake songs to Sony, which is actually stupid enough to buy alleged fake songs and put them on an album when they are 100 other songs to choose from????

Seriously!??1?!!?!?!?!?!?

Oh, and Teddy Riley is in on it as well.

Oh, and the letter from the Estate is a fake, or the estate is simply lying to make money because they billion in gross sales the estate brought in wasn't enough????

Believing any of that requires a Doctorate Degree from Clown University.

 

[Arklove]

^^ I think he meant pronunciation, just the natural way Michael speaks/sings.....Not the STYLE per se....

 

[cppounders]

N'est-ce pas cher compatriote ^^

This album is a insult to the legacy of the King. They put infinished songs, finished by imitators.

Imitators? Hardly. Porte is credited. I know that doesn't help out your argument and you choose to ignore it, but it's a fact. Deal with it.

They remixed all the songs on the album. Even Another Day! Why Lenny remixed this song?

Why would he remix it? Oh, I don't know, maybe because he WROTE the song? Would you rather they have handed the material off to Timberland? Michael and Lenny worked on the song TOGETHER. If MJ isn't here to finish it, then who better?

Another Day was ready to be on Invincible, so why he remixed the song?

To make it sound more contemporary? To make the album flow better? Because the stars aligned and sent a message? I don't know... and how do you know what was changed? How can you criticize what you have not even heard?

Much Too Soon, remixed. Why? The result is worst that the first link we had....

Your opinion. I quite like it and I've seen quit a favorable response online thus far. I guarantee if it had not been announced that some of the instrumentation had been changed, people would be praising this as the second coming.

ANYTHING FOR MONEY.

NEWSFLASH: This isn't 2002 anymore and Michael isn't at war with Mottola. It's quite obvious MJ and Sony mended their relationship, considering he participated in the release of Number Ones, TUC, and Thriller 25.

Even aside from that, Sony is a business. They are supposed to make money. And lest you forget, this money also goes to the Estate (Michael's kids) and to charity as well. Again, this does not help your argument so I'm sure you will choose to ignore this fact as well.

There is no respect at all for Mike, for his art!

On the contrary. If they had just handed these tracks off to random people and allowed the music to be Bieberized, then yes I would agree. But they picked producers who personally worked with Michael. Teddy Riley is responsible for some of the best music that MJ has ever made. I can't think of someone better to have put in charge of these tracks.

They check on MJ's boards, and they can see there is a problem.

I don't want to participate to this destruction of his legacy.

Then why are you? The only problem I see is a bunch of fans moaning and groaning about the same tired issue and are never satisfied. All that can be said is "FAKE!" or "IMPOSTOER SONG!" or "FRAUDASCIO TRACK!! BOYCOTT!!" after every post. There is no intelligent discussion, their is no logical reasons behind their arguments. It's just a claim with nothing to back it up. I don't think people would believe this was MJ on the song if he came down from the heavens himself and started singing "Monster."

At this point, people need to put up or shut up. If you think it's a fraud, then DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT (and that doesn't mean post it in every other message posted on this forum). No one here has a single bit of proof that it is not Michael on these songs (and your own two ears don't count in a court of law, and that's where it would matter).

I'm A HUGE FAN OF THE KING. I just want Mike! JUST MIKE!

DON'T F.U.C.K WITH HIS LEGACY.

I do not understand why having background singers on a song is considered a fake? Porte is CREDITED FOR THE WORK THAT HE DID! Where is the fraud?

 

[BabeBeMine]

I think fans who are upset there local radio station is not playing MJ songs due to them reading MJ boards calling every song fake. If you want your station to play the songs, stop giving them reason not to play it by calling it fake on MJ boards.

 

[Fentman]

i used to like this song.

but then, a longer leak came out. that aint no michael jackson. and plus, the song isnt that good.

casios ruined this album. but i am going to download the rest of the six songs. downloaded HMH already.

I'm already addicted to this part of Monster...



Tooo Baaad
(Woah oooh Hollywood has got you jumpin’ like you should)
Too baaad
(It’s got you bouncin’ off the wall)
(It’s got you drunk enough to fall) Drunk enough to fall
(Too baaad Woah oooh Hollywood)
Hollywood. Just look in the mirror
And tell me you like..don’t you, don’t you like it.


And it sure sounds like MJ to me. From the unusual and unique melody to the deliver, albeit different than we've heard before just like dozens of other songs, which was what made Michael so unique.

No way another mortal human being was able to deliver these vocals at this level. If so, that person should have a recording contract.

 

[Fentman]

^^ I think he meant pronunciation, just the natural way Michael speaks/sings.....Not the STYLE per se....

And he, or any of us know enough about how he speaks to determine if he sang this song??

Nonsense. Not saying you agreed with him, but it's nonsense.

If MJ were alive and these songs came out people would just say, "wow, he is singing a little differently" just as they did regarding songs in the past.

Because MJ has passed, everyone is one edge and simply not thinking clearly.

IT MAKES NO SENSE FOR THESE SONGS TO BE FAKE.

It's not like the Cascios are some phantom family that came out of nowhere. Every MJ fan knows who they are and that MJ was like family to them. So why is it so unrealistic to believe he did songs with them??????

And, that he may have played with his delivery on some of those songs?

 

[Fentman]

I really like Monster, but there are some lyrics in there that i just don't think MJ would of written. I cant imagine MJ writing "got you drunk enough to fall".

Why would he not write that??? Explain??

Tell me how on earth you know MJ would not write that line?????

 

[Superstition]

If MJ were alive and these songs came out people would just say, "wow, he is singing a little differently" just as they did regarding songs in the past.

That's presumptuous, to say the least.

Sorry, I don't hear his voice on these songs. Maybe its him and maybe its not, but to me, I just can't hear his voice. I don't like listening to music and second-guessing it, or being told "there's a forensic expert who said its him". I like to kick back and enjoy. I can't do that with these songs; its great that you can, but not everyone who doesn't get that feeling from these songs is a "conspiracy theorist".

I'm glad This Is It were his final performances and not these tracks, so that we can see and hear him for the great artist he always was.

 

[marebear]

Michael always wanted to try new things and expand. That's why I don't get when some say he wouldn't write this or wouldn't sing it this way etc. All his songs are not the same and reflect different times.

To be honest I wouldn't have been looking at the songs to see if it was really Michael or not if the idea of fake vocals was never brought up. I would not have thought of that. I don't listen to a song and wonder if it's really that person.

 

[BabeBeMine]

How can anyone just say there is no way MJ would write this or sing this? You dont know how he was feeling or what style he was trying to use.

For example the way "restaurant" is pronounced in the song keep your head up..Maybe the producer wanted MJ to sing it like this to make it sound more swaggish, sexy, more hip.

The producer and writer for Butterflies, Andre Harris and writer Marsha of Floetry had to instruct MJ how they wanted him to sing the track to make it r&b style and smooth.

 

[Milka]

No way another mortal human being was able to deliver these vocals at this level. If so, that person should have a recording contract.

Hilarious! That comment makes you happy and sad at the same time.

 

[Silouette]

Geez, I still havent heard this one. :/

 

[Arklove]

And he, or any of us know enough about how he speaks to determine if he sang this song??

umm....yeah, when you listen to him speak numerous times, and the way he pronounces words when he sings...I think it's safe to say we can determine how he pronounces things....

Now, if you're talking about a certain STYLE he may be using, then yes, I can agree, he may be using a different style....but not so far off that it sounds almost nothing like him...I mean, using 2000 watts or Shout for the zillioneth time....yes, he's using a different style, or tone of voice, but not to the point where I'm like..'that doesn't sound like him at all...'....The thought never crossed my mind that those songs weren't sung by him....Upon listening to the three Cascio tracks, I would never say they're FAKE, or FRAUD, or PHONY, or whatever....I can definitely hear him in there, especially on BN.....So I'd never say..oh it's definitely NOT him...it just doesn't sound enough like him for me to really truly enjoy the songs...It's an instinct for me...how can I ignore that?

 

[BabeBeMine]

Every song MJ is not gonna sing like he sang on Heal the World or Gone to Soon. Especially if he got together with young producers who might of been like...Mike sing the song this way to make it sound more hip. Use your falsetto on this verse because that sounds kinda tight and smooth.

 

[L.T.D]

Every song MJ is not gonna sing like he sang on Heal the World or Gone to Soon. Especially if he got together with young producers who might of been like...Mike sing the song this way to make it sound more hip. Use your falsetto on this verse because that sounds kinda tight and smooth.

Yeahhh, because they would definately be giving the King of Pop tips...rather than taking them.

 

[Fentman]

umm....yeah, when you listen to him speak numerous times, and the way he pronounces words when he sings...I think it's safe to say we can determine how he pronounces things....

Now, if you're talking about a certain STYLE he may be using, then yes, I can agree, he may be using a different style....but not so far off that it sounds almost nothing like him...I mean, using 2000 watts or Shout for the zillioneth time....yes, he's using a different style, or tone of voice, but not to the point where I'm like..'that doesn't sound like him at all...'....The thought never crossed my mind that those songs weren't sung by him....Upon listening to the three Cascio tracks, I would never say they're FAKE, or FRAUD, or PHONY, or whatever....I can definitely hear him in there, especially on BN.....So I'd never say..oh it's definitely NOT him...it just doesn't sound enough like him for me to really truly enjoy the songs...It's an instinct for me...how can I ignore that?

You would never say 2000 Watts and Shout were not him because he was alive and put out the album himselff.

His passing lends to conspiracy theories. But if 2000 Watts came out right now many would say it wasn't him.

if Don't Stop... came out right now, people would say it wasn't him.

It's the fact that he's passed that has people losing perspective and pretending to have lived with Michael Jackson because they listen to his CDs non-stop.

For anyone to say Breaking News and Monster sound "nothing like him" is ridiculous.

People are hearing what they want to hear. Because others said the tracks were fake. Because MJ is dead. Some, are actually not hearing him for psychological reasons. They are almost fooling themselves into believing it CAN'T be him rather than hearing that it is him.

Again, if another person is delivering the singing on Monster - SIGN HIM UP!!!

He shouldn't need to fake. He should just have his own contract.

 

[BabeBeMine]

If your familair with Butterflies it was Marsha's idea for MJ to sing like that and she said in a interview it felt strange having to tell MJ what to do but he was cool.

There is a reason why MJ gets with hip and young producers because obviously he wants to stay up to date.

 

[Fentman]

Yeahhh, because they would definately be giving the King of Pop tips...rather than taking them.

Another arrogant, myopic statement.

Michael always collaborated. He took a song from Siedah Garrett. Who the hell was she to write a song for Michael Jackson?

Michael always wanted to hear ideas from others. Maybe he worked with the Cascios for fun and they actually came up with some nice stuff he liked and helped polish.

Who knows?

WE WEREN'T THERE!!!

Remember people....these are Michael's long-time friends some of you are bashing. He cared about them more than he did about any of us because he actually knew them.

So, be careful....Michael might strike you down! lol