Cascio track are really Michael, believe or not. I'm going to prove it. (Some explanation here.)

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I have examined those tracks like two weeks daily and it looks like the conclusion is that they are really Michael's voice and I am going to prove it today. I am going to upload some of my tweaked samples that I'm sure proves it is Michael singing when you (and also I) thought it is not.

Still some things in the studio people's works only questions me. Because they should be at least very professional.

Like you know, many of those tracks sound like "partly" him and someone else. It looks like the reason is those demo recordings haven't been "in key" wholy or partly. Because some parts in the same song have been finetuned up and some down, it makes some of the parts sound a bit weird. I have to say (honestly, not being rude) they haven't done that tweaking the best way they could. First of all, I don't understand, why they must have finetuned it like too much if you count the change it's just too much averagely. Monster is about a half-steps low and others average (original singing) key is partly even more weird. I would have made it between half-steps. Music is about half-steps but it would have been music still and that way Michael's original singing would have been much more normal sounding.

One of my explanation why they have done so is that probably "Monster" has even meant to pitched like that (like 2000 Watts was), because pitching it up it sounds even so much more real, but "Keep Your Head Up" is even more low in some parts so that I just don't understand.

Other explanation is that Michael have sung some parts completely a cappella without taking the starting note so those kind of recordings you have to finetune if you want them to be in key. You know, if you just start to sing (like Michael does in the beginning of "The Way You Love Me") you just can't be sure if it's exactly tuned.

Another explanation is that probably the song has recorded in two different keys and they have wanted to use parts from both so they have made some kind of a compromise what to do with Michael's voice. I kinda understand that has been probably the only way to make tracks final in the first place, but I say still the tweaking could have been made better. I mean with better tweaking it would have sounded more like Michael. They should have cutted the a cappella into very small parts (like words or parts of the word; I mean still keeping them together) and tweak every part separately. I know it's hard work but that way it would have sounded much more Michael.

Whatever is the explanation I am going to prove today those songs are really Michael. You will hear it.
 
Yeah i read a interview with Teddy Riley and he said when he first got monster, the actual song was quite slow...not the version we hear. So he obviosly made it faster and funkier and had to adjust the tempo of the voice to match the fresher mix....Sounds legit to me...
 
i know what you mean,and it makes sense,but God that vibrato is killing me. In all the three tracks, every line, ALWAYS the same damn vibrato!
 
Sounds interesting man, and we'll see. I am not entirely sure i understand what you mean that you are gonna prove it, but i am definitely waiting for it, definitely gonna check it out.
 
I have examined those tracks like two weeks daily and it looks like the conclusion is that they are really Michael's voice and I am going to prove it today. .
Thank you :wub:
 
i know what you mean,and it makes sense,but God that vibrato is killing me. In all the three tracks, every line, ALWAYS the same damn vibrato!
Few days ago someone asked Teddy Riley on Twitter: Can you explain the oddly fast vibrato that MJ has never had? I dont have facts, just opinion. What R the facts?

Teddy Riley: The fact is they're heavily processed...meaning Mj vox were melodyne heavy. Melodyne is much like autotune.

Question: But "Hollywood Tonight" is also auto-tuned but it still SOUNDS JUST LIKE MIKE.

Teddy Riley: Well, they are different in texture. If you notice Mj is singing harder in Hollywood.

Teddy Riley: Do this, listen to 2000watts and listen to the Cascios. I assure you, the vocals are Mj. They're very processed.
 
I put "Monster" clip first. Because I think it's closer the original. I put the part where he sings "paparazzi". Of course I can't make it original (because of those highly tweaked/fixed words/notes like that "paparazzi" and without a cappellas and masters), but you will hear the change. I know you will because I've been a fan so long time. Imo at least Monster has been faster, not slower. I think that makes also the vibrato sound weird because if you slower vibrato, it will be ruined and sounds not natural.
 
Here is "Monster". What do you think about it?

http://www.sendspace.com/file/hyquu5

I said they've been using Melodyne. But imo you can't use Melodyne if you have so much work to do with the vocals. It's only to correct some. Like I said they should have cutted the whole a cappella in small parts (like phrases, words and syllable that differs from each other too much) and correct them with dsp separately, not separate them thou. It's different and much better than Melodyne.
 
How does that work? The "FDMSetup" got downloaded, but it doesn't work.
 
Huh? I don't get. That's just a speed up version of the songs. I don't notice anything.
 
I listened to them both, i hear the songs very uptempo and going slower alittle later. That's the change? I am not really sure what i should notice or hear here.
 
Well, but I don't notice anything different. Sorry.
 
I listened to them both, i hear the songs very uptempo and going slower alittle later. That's the change? I am not really sure what i should notice or hear here.

I think I should send the whole song but I think it's not allowed. You should hear that sounds much more Michael.
 
Ok, I'll send also the album tempo versions of those clips.
 
Yeah, please do that. I always thought Michael is singing on these tracks but a definitive proof would be great.
 
It's just sped up, to sound more like a chipmunk. Trying to convince us MJ was a chipmunk, huh?

Nothing more to see here, folks. Move along.
 
I didn't notice any changes except of the bigger speed.
can you send the full edits to my email?: thedevilgamer@live.com
i have a pm problem so thats why i asked you to send me via mail.
thank you!
 
Few days ago someone asked Teddy Riley on Twitter: Can you explain the oddly fast vibrato that MJ has never had? I dont have facts, just opinion. What R the facts?

Teddy Riley: The fact is they're heavily processed...meaning Mj vox were melodyne heavy. Melodyne is much like autotune.

Question: But "Hollywood Tonight" is also auto-tuned but it still SOUNDS JUST LIKE MIKE.

Teddy Riley: Well, they are different in texture. If you notice Mj is singing harder in Hollywood.

Teddy Riley: Do this, listen to 2000watts and listen to the Cascios. I assure you, the vocals are Mj. They're very processed.



thanks for this.

God, I don't know what to believe. I am neither here nor there. :(

I am just really sad that people who believe so fanatically that this is Michael, are becoming insulting towards those who doubt...
 
Unfortunately, I don't think pitch is the problem that fans are having with these tracks.
 
Huh? I don't get. That's just a speed up version of the songs. I don't notice anything.


Exactly.

All of ya'll trying to convince other people it IS MJ on these 3 tracks should know by now that's a waste of time, just like is it when those other people try to persuade you into thinking it is NOT (sadly). People're catching fire when others say it's not MJ, for instance, so don't try to shove into others' throats the opposite, by means of 'believe it or not' or what not. That's dictatorship. And nothing's been proven here.

This is getting really pathetic and nauseating.
 
It's just sped up, to sound more like a chipmunk. Trying to convince us MJ was a chipmunk, huh?

Nothing more to see here, folks. Move along.

:lol:

Yeah..well..basically what I am hearing a lot of is "It may sound like a completely different person, but it's Michael" ...The fact that we have do all sorts of sound altering at an attempt to get it to sound like him is concerning...The estate/sony made a huge mistake using songs that don't even sound like him.
 
lol who voted this thread 5 stars? just gave this thread my rating (1 star).

@ all who believe it is MJ, please don't make new threads all the times you think "ooo now i gotta tell the world that i have proof that it is really him".

because us, who think the cascio songs are a fraud (just like Akon and Quincy Jones said recently), don't make new threads all the time either.
 
lol who voted this thread 5 stars? just gave this thread my rating (1 star).

@ all who believe it is MJ, please don't make new threads all the times you think "ooo now i gotta tell the world that i have proof that it is really him".

because us, who think the cascio songs are a fraud (just like Akon and Quincy Jones said recently), don't make new threads all the time either.


Right, talk about forceful hypocrisy. Tiresome too.
 
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