What will we have left??

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I have been thinking about this for quite some time now...and I have to get it out. With the trial approaching...I am wondering what will we have left to talk about after the trial??...Michael is gone...He is the reason why we are all here...Murray's trial will end in one of two ways...either he will walk...or he MAY see the inside of a jail cell for a short amount of time. We have all stuck together here for the past 19 months..we have tried to figure out what happened to Michael on June 25th. We have tried to put the pieces of the puzzle together with limited information...but we have done better than most. After all is said and done with this trial...HOW are we suppose to move on in a world with no Michael? The past months have been to try and seek justice for Michael...again I ask when that is over....WHAT do we do then? Go on with out lives and act as though Michael never existed in our lives?? I am not looking forward to the days after the trial..I am afraid that I wont know WHAT to do...I am afraid what life will be like without fighting for Justice for Michael its something we a his fans have always done..stuck by him through thick and thin. I just dont know....life will be even more different than it became on June 25th.
 
Yes I understand and I raised my concern about this in another thread before. I am worried how people will feel when justice is done, there is nothing to fight for anymore. Whilst everyone is fighting for justice they are feeling active....when it's over then what? I hope we will all continue sticking together...but I worry, and I've expressed this to a couple of other friends who are fans that it will all just drift away. I've started to notice it a little already in dwindling numbers at MJ events, and whilst I am grateful there are still at least some that go I miss the huge outpour of love that happened initially.

June 25th and August 29th (oh and fans day but it was right at the beginning of the year) last year there was still a lot of love but unlike the year before these were the only dates I saw a LOT of fans and this sometimes makes me a little sad, but then at least I am lucky enough to see other fans regularly.

I always wonder how it felt for Elvis or Lennon fans and if things were similar for them but I guess we're luckier than them because we have this place - there was no internet when they passed.

I guess we'll have to hope we'll all continue being united (I sometimes worry though about the divides that keep happening) and keep spreading the love.
 
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I don't know what will happen. But we will always have Michael in our lives until we pass. My children will be listening and dancing to Michael's music and videos and so will their children. Sure as we get older priorities change, that's life. But our love for Michael will always unite us. Some of the greatest people to come into my life have been because of him.
 
Yes I understand and I raised my concern about this in another thread before. I am worried how people will feel when justice is done, there is nothing to fight for anymore. Whilst everyone is fighting for justice they are feeling active....when it's over then what? I hope we will all continue sticking together...but I worry, and I've expressed this to a couple of other friends who are fans that it will all just drift away. I've started to notice it a little already in dwindling numbers at MJ events, and whilst I am grateful there are still at least some that go I miss the huge outpour of love that happened initially.

June 25th and August 29th (oh and fans day but it was right at the beginning of the year) last year there was still a lot of love but unlike the year before these were the only dates I saw a LOT of fans and this sometimes makes me a little sad, but then at least I am lucky enough to see other fans regularly.

I always wonder how it felt for Elvis or Lennon fans and if things were similar for them but I guess we're luckier than them because we have this place - there was no internet when they passed.

I guess we'll have to hope we'll all continue being united (I sometimes worry though about the divides that keep happening) and keep spreading the love.
I am glad that I am not the only one thinking about this. every time It has come to my mind lately I just kept pushing it aside and telling myself I dont have to do with that just yet...however...it keeps surfacing ..so I think since it does...now is the time to deal with it. Michael song "You are not alone"....means a great deal to me...when I listen to it ...I can feel his love in my heart....and it reminds me of how lucky I was to be part of such a wonderful time in history...to be a Michael Jackson fan. for that I feel honored.
 
I don't know what will happen. But we will always have Michael in our lives until we pass. My children will be listening and dancing to Michael's music and videos and so will their children. Sure as we get older priorities change, that's life. But our love for Michael will always unite us. Some of the greatest people to come into my life have been because of him.
My own children were also raised on MJ music....so they know my love for him, my daughter even ha some of his stuff on HER own ipod..:lmao: ..So yeah...I guess Michael will be here. I think we are all gonna have to be really brave.
 
I would like to be a ray of light here...but I wonder too... I will keep helping continue Michael's legacy via MJJC Legacy project.... and that's something that we all can do.
 
I think about it too....
One thing I am sure is that I will love him forever. I feel at home here and I know MJJC will never fade away.
But when I look at things in general......I am afraid that the world will somehow forget about Michael"s legacy. Oh yes...they will mention his name for anyversaries but will his message continue to spread ?! In this world of hate....I am not so sure, that is my biggest fear. :(
All we hear on the news are false stories about Michael...and that is killing me.
Michael said : " there is nothing that can"t be done, if we raise our voice as one ." Is anyone listening ? I know we are, but...
This world is a bad place without Michael and I am still strugeling to live in it. :(
 
When Justice is done??

There is no justice with this involuntary manslaughter charge.

Insufficient Justice is no justice at all.

And that is the reason I believe fans cannot move on, EVEN IF murray is sent to jail for silly involuntary manslaughter.
 
I too have been thinking a lot about death as of late. Given the events which have recently come into my life, it is only natural that I would ponder upon it once more. Indeed, this is not the first time I have thought about the concept of death--that time came two years ago, on June 25, 2009. That was the first time I ever had to deal with a permanent and definite loss, when we lost he who holds our hearts. Back then, there was so much still left to do, as you bring up in your original post. There was the mystery shrouding the circumstances of his death--the who's, the what's, the where's, the when's, and most importantly, the why's and how's of it all. In other words, it was an active period--yes, Michael was gone, and that loss hit us all like a tidal wave. It was the shock of the decade for sure, at the very least for us, it was. Not only did the world lose one of the greatest musicians to have ever graced a stage, but we lost a part of our hearts. Yet, even whilst dealing with all the natural parts of grief, we were active, and we continue to be active--there was This is It, there was the will, there was the Michael album and the debate over whether the songs were tampered with, there was the battle over the auditorium, and now, there is the final event...the trial of the assassin, the one who snatched him from our grasp forever. What will become of him, we ask, in our final stages of activism--will he walk, or will he pay? Will any punishment ever suffice? It is the bittersweet symphony of justice--in that consequence is served, but not without great and heavy losses.

Yet our question, the real question, the only question is...where will we go from there. As xthunderx2 puts it, what will we have left? This is the question everyone asks after the events have come to pass, in any and every loss. After the funeral, after the trial, after everyone has given their condolences and moved on with their life...what will the bereaved do? Will anyone ever truly comprehend? It feels like such a lonely place, despite the universality of the experience. There is no feeling that quite matches the emptiness of loss--the utter paralysis of it. It could be compared to living in empty space, where no one seems to comprehend the desperation behind your screaming. That's just the beginning.

However, the gears of time will move even our own lives, so that we are forced to move on and continue with our own existence, or else crumble under the strain that the loss has caused. This is biology doing its work--to adapt to change, and to survive, is the ultimate human will. Yet...we're never the same when we survive. During the period of passive mourning, even more questions are raised, and worse yet--the anger turns to fear. During our active mourning, we were angry--as a group, we were united in our anger towards the situation, towards those who took advantage of Michael, towards Murray whose utter incompetence and criminality killed our beloved. Then, it seems, our voices truly did echo as one, then, we needed to fight against A, B, and C. It was group thinking with a clear and definite purpose.

After the trial, however, we will enter a more passive stage of mourning, perhaps the most difficult of them all. The anger which united us during our active stage will turn into a fear, which many of us can already sense approaching in the back of our minds. The fear, of course, is....will the world forget the person we lost? Will living on now be as though they had never existed? Are they reduced to being remembered only during 'important' dates of the year, such as birth and death days? We know that we will love them until the day we die, but the world at large certainly won't, and this is the hardest thing to face. It is, however, the truth--whether it be Michael Jackson, or somebody's relative, the fact of the matter is that the world will rid itself of their memory over time, perhaps not fully, but to such a degree that they are only brought up when relevant [aka historical figures reduced to being remembered only in an obscure history lesson.] This is inevitable in the external world...in that world which houses you and I and everyone else...in that world we cannot control, which changes at every moment. Someone is born and someone fades, every day, at every hour. We are forever in perpetual motion, moving at such speeds that we must, in a way, forsake the old, so as to welcome the new. This is observed in every era, throughout our human history. However, our will to hold on to certain things, at least for a while, creates everything we've had. All of our greatest achievements are an attempt at eternity, because there is nothing humans hate more than the thought and realization of their own mortality. History, photography, painting, record-keeping, everything in an attempt to immortalize a moment, to create illusory eternity, to look away from the very real concept of death, so that an instant can be made to last forever by 'freezing' it in time. It never changes. So that, ironically, we too are foolishly resistant to change, despite the ultimate knowledge that it will win that battle.

We will change, we are changing, we will grow old, and we will die, as all things before us have done, and all things after us will do. We will fade away, even the most splendid and brilliant among us, because everything dies. This is what I thought about then, this is what I think about now. I am preoccupied with the concept of death, the human realization and resistance of it, the futility of it all.

I have reached the conclusion that we have naught left to do but accept that, someday, Michael will fade. He won't be completely forgotten, because we strive to conserve important things for as long as humanly possible, an endeavour facilitated by technology such as the Internet. However, he will fade from the present sphere of existence, from the minds of the people of the world at large, from the television screens and movie theatres. But he will never fade from our memories, or from our hearts, and this is the most important thing to keep in mind. His importance to us as individuals and as members of a group is something that time cannot change, because he impacted us in such a powerful way that the mind will not ever forget. Those who are able to forget quickly, are those whose lives were impacted the least, or perhaps not at all, by the person who has passed. However, the hearts and minds that person touched will always remember the experience and the memories, until it is their own time to pass on, and be forgotten by the world at large as well.

To make my long, confusing, non-sensical ramble short: yes, the world at large will forget him over time, but we never will, so long as we have our memories, so long as we have each other, he will live on with us until the day we die.

Edit: An interesting detail, this entire concept is actually what my signature seeks to illustrate.
~*A flash and it's born, a flash and it fades. Born and then gone like us all.
A flash and it's born. A flash, and it fades. Born and then gone just like my star...*~
 
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Well, if I've learned anything in these past 20 months...it's that MJ doesn't really fade away.

I have felt exactly how you feel right now many times; the sinking, unsettling, uncertain feeling you get after you think of "what will happen after this..." In fact, I think I've made a few threads about this "feeling", only during different times.

In the second half of 2009, when talks were going around about having This Is It being turned into a movie, I was ecstatic, super excited - but the day before I was going to see it, I felt nervous & gloomy...I was thinking, "Is this really it? Is this really all we're going to get from him now? What's going to happen after everyone has seen the movie?" It felt like I was saying a final goodbye to him when I was done watching that movie...what I didn't know was that it really wasn't IT. There was still a lot more to come.

After the movie, so many more things came up. From what I can recall, 2010 was filled with mind boggling news-bits, happenings, and events that kept all of us fans busy. You and I are still here discussing things today, aren't we? Award shows, tributes, random stories about the Jacksons, random interviews from the Jacksons, and even the Jackson family reality show (all of which included the memory of Michael somehow).

Then who could forget the release of Michael's first posthumous album and all of the controversy that came with it...that took up a whole chunk of 2010. 2011 seems to be a little quieter, and I definitely see what you're saying. After Murray's trial, there won't really be much to talk about...hmmm...wait, it looks like I just went in a backwards circle...this part of my post doesn't really match up with my opening sentence. Ahh...I guess that shows how confident I feel about this situation :doh:

I don't know my friend, time will tell. This post is pretty pathetic, I don't know why I'm still typing. I shouldn't even click the submit button, but I think I will. At least it'll show you that you're not the only one thinking about this.
 
I too have been thinking a lot about death as of late. Given the events which have recently come into my life, it is only natural that I would ponder upon it once more. Indeed, this is not the first time I have thought about the concept of death--that time came two years ago, on June 25, 2009. That was the first time I ever had to deal with a permanent and definite loss, when we lost he who holds our hearts. Back then, there was so much still left to do, as you bring up in your original post. There was the mystery shrouding the circumstances of his death--the who's, the what's, the where's, the when's, and most importantly, the why's and how's of it all. In other words, it was an active period--yes, Michael was gone, and that loss hit us all like a tidal wave. It was the shock of the decade for sure, at the very least for us, it was. Not only did the world lose one of the greatest musicians to have ever graced a stage, but we lost a part of our hearts. Yet, even whilst dealing with all the natural parts of grief, we were active, and we continue to be active--there was This is It, there was the will, there was the Michael album and the debate over whether the songs were tampered with, there was the battle over the auditorium, and now, there is the final event...the trial of the assassin, the one who snatched him from our grasp forever. What will become of him, we ask, in our final stages of activism--will he walk, or will he pay? Will any punishment ever suffice? It is the bittersweet symphony of justice--in that consequence is served, but not without great and heavy losses.

Yet our question, the real question, the only question is...where will we go from there. As xthunderx2 puts it, what will we have left? This is the question everyone asks after the events have come to pass, in any and every loss. After the funeral, after the trial, after everyone has given their condolences and moved on with their life...what will the bereaved do? Will anyone ever truly comprehend? It feels like such a lonely place, despite the universality of the experience. There is no feeling that quite matches the emptiness of loss--the utter paralysis of it. It could be compared to living in empty space, where no one seems to comprehend the desperation behind your screaming. That's just the beginning.

However, the gears of time will move even our own lives, so that we are forced to move on and continue with our own existence, or else crumble under the strain that the loss has caused. This is biology doing its work--to adapt to change, and to survive, is the ultimate human will. Yet...we're never the same when we survive. During the period of passive mourning, even more questions are raised, and worse yet--the anger turns to fear. During our active mourning, we were angry--as a group, we were united in our anger towards the situation, towards those who took advantage of Michael, towards Murray whose utter incompetence and criminality killed our beloved. Then, it seems, our voices truly did echo as one, then, we needed to fight against A, B, and C. It was group thinking with a clear and definite purpose.

After the trial, however, we will enter a more passive stage of mourning, perhaps the most difficult of them all. The anger which united us during our active stage will turn into a fear, which many of us can already sense approaching in the back of our minds. The fear, of course, is....will the world forget the person we lost? Will living on now be as though they had never existed? Are they reduced to being remembered only during 'important' dates of the year, such as birth and death days? We know that we will love them until the day we die, but the world at large certainly won't, and this is the hardest thing to face. It is, however, the truth--whether it be Michael Jackson, or somebody's relative, the fact of the matter is that the world will rid itself of their memory over time, perhaps not fully, but to such a degree that they are only brought up when relevant [aka historical figures reduced to being remembered only in an obscure history lesson.] This is inevitable in the external world...in that world which houses you and I and everyone else...in that world we cannot control, which changes at every moment. Someone is born and someone fades, every day, at every hour. We are forever in perpetual motion, moving at such speeds that we must, in a way, forsake the old, so as to welcome the new. This is observed in every era, throughout our human history. However, our will to hold on to certain things, at least for a while, creates everything we've had. All of our greatest achievements are an attempt at eternity, because there is nothing humans hate more than the thought and realization of their own mortality. History, photography, painting, record-keeping, everything in an attempt to immortalize a moment, to create illusory eternity, to look away from the very real concept of death, so that an instant can be made to last forever by 'freezing' it in time. It never changes. So that, ironically, we too are foolishly resistant to change, despite the ultimate knowledge that it will win that battle.

We will change, we are changing, we will grow old, and we will die, as all things before us have done, and all things after us will do. We will fade away, even the most splendid and brilliant among us, because everything dies. This is what I thought about then, this is what I think about now. I am preoccupied with the concept of death, the human realization and resistance of it, the futility of it all.

I have reached the conclusion that we have naught left to do but accept that, someday, Michael will fade. He won't be completely forgotten, because we strive to conserve important things for as long as humanly possible, an endeavour facilitated by technology such as the Internet. However, he will fade from the present sphere of existence, from the minds of the people of the world at large, from the television screens and movie theatres. But he will never fade from our memories, or from our hearts, and this is the most important thing to keep in mind. His importance to us as individuals and as members of a group is something that time cannot change, because he impacted us in such a powerful way that the mind will not ever forget. Those who are able to forget quickly, are those whose lives were impacted the least, or perhaps not at all, by the person who has passed. However, the hearts and minds that person touched will always remember the experience and the memories, until it is their own time to pass on, and be forgotten by the world at large as well.

To make my long, confusing, non-sensical ramble short: yes, the world at large will forget him over time, but we never will, so long as we have our memories, so long as we have each other, he will live on with us until the day we die.

Edit: An interesting detail, this entire concept is actually what my signature seeks to illustrate.
~*A flash and it's born, a flash and it fades. Born and then gone like us all.
A flash and it's born. A flash, and it fades. Born and then gone just like my star...*~

Holy smokes! You sound like an award-winning writer...
Great post.
 
everyone who has posted in this thread..let me say thank you...you all through your posts have let me know that I am not the only one that is afraid of what the future will hold...I am still.. and ..will always and forever be a Michael Jackson fan. I also think that I have learned that after this trial is over it will take a little while to move on..I think this is normal. This is all part of the grieving process. There is noway I will ever forget Michael...God ..he has always been such a big part of me...I will always love him.
 
I have been thinking about this for quite some time now...and I have to get it out. With the trial approaching...I am wondering what will we have left to talk about after the trial??....

I'm not certain that the end of the trial will bring an end to discussion of 'what happened'...we may never really know.

As to 'events', well it sounds as though there will be lots of books, more music from 'the vaults' and maybe from musical collaborators, maybe more games (whatever Sony has planned), maybe some concert videos, more toys, discussion about Neverland and its future, maybe the Gary project will get off the ground (maybe not), maybe other projects from the family and others, certainly the Cirque du soleil events. Michael's children will grow up and take over the Estate, and maybe start new initiatives. There will be anniversaries to share, probably tribute concerts, almost certainly new tribute artists....a legacy to maintain, a new generation of fans to embrace. I expect theres lots more I haven't thought of.....I don't think fans are going anywhere soon.

Michael had a meaningful life. He touched so many people through his life and work and influence. If anything, his untimely loss has magnified rather than diminished this 'meaning'. If a butterfly can create a hurricane, imagine how the ripples from Michaels life will reach out over time and perhaps change the world. I don't think we will see the end of these changes in our lifetimes.
I am tempted to quote Churchill: 'This is not the end, or the beginning of the end, but the end of the beginning'.
 
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yep... Only the memories... his legacy... our mission to make him proud... the L.O.V.E we share as one big MJ family...

HUGS to all :better:
 
I will always feel a hole in my heart.
In these last ( almost 2 years...omg...) time I struggle with pain every day. I think.." if he was here now..."
I can never expect news about him and new pictures while he goes out with his kids...that is just heartbreaking for me. He is in my life for almost 30 years. I hate living now...when I realize that such bad things could happen to a person like him.
What can I hope for in this world of hate when all that maters is money ??!!
I will cherish the love for him untill my last breath.
 
Each other..
We have to do it now..
He made his statement.. now it's up to us..
Help each other and heal the world or hate each other and destroy the world?
It's up to us.

So true :clapping:NOW its our turn to show Michael what he has taught us... :tease:

Oh yeah, zpredra5 :better: I can't even watch the news anymore without having a :puke: or :doh: fit...
Pffff... Why is the world so :puke: without our Michael :wub:
 
Each other..
We have to do it now..
He made his statement.. now it's up to us..
Help each other and heal the world or hate each other and destroy the world?
It's up to us.
wonderful words.....:hug:

and oh so true..
 
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We need each other..
There are alot of memories about Michael.. those who want to share them.. please share them.. so we can enjoy..imagine how it would have been around him.. what he stood for..his message..
Together with the memories.. we can heal this world..
Please enjoy everything with everyone!

Let's heal the world!
 
Each other..
We have to do it now..
He made his statement.. now it's up to us..
Help each other and heal the world or hate each other and destroy the world?
It's up to us.

Without a doubt..

We Have to continue his work, keep up Michael's name!..
We're a family..

Let's show the world what Michael was all about!...

:heart:
LiL..
 
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