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Dr Adams to testify on behalf of Murray

Yeah depends on what u are having.didnt the A.R say mj had implants and alot of other major things that woukd require surgery
 
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Adams testimony can only hurt Murry _he is a hostile defence witness
He will say he is an anithesiogist and that he followed correct procedures
and monitored MJ the whole time he was under having dental work done. :)

Something Murray did not do

When the prosecution cross examins him thats what they will show
regardless of what the defence is looking to prove by calling him.
Its not going to help Murray defend his actions on June 25th
 
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Ingelief said:
i still have weird feelings hearing anestesia on dental procedures never heared that ever before we only get an injection with some meds
but thats oftopic

i think no mather who they bring in, he is stil quilty
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It's not uncommon in the U.S to get anasesia for dental procederes as opposed to the local sedation they give you in Europe.
 
cinzia;3382046 said:
I wonder if this is a way to get at Adams and find out about that visit murray and Michael made to Adams in 2009 about working for Michael. Didn't Adams say that he contacted murray afterwards and said he'd work for Michael during the concerts? Or am I totally mixing up things. I don't have time right now to go back and fact check, so please forgive inaccuracies. But if true perhaps the defense will try to make it something against Michael, for sure.
I sense another fishing expedition.
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I agree with you, the defence will probably go over that alleged meeting. Yet I have doubts on whether Michael was really present in the meeting in March. It was TMZ the ones that published that info.
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In a video, Dr. Adam's lawyer had much earlier said: http://www.fox5vegas.com/news/20575780/detail.html

"My client wasn't in California in June, May, April, or even March," Agwara said. “Murray called him and asked for a meeting."
The attorney would not go into detail about what happened at that meeting in March or even where it was at, but he said that was the one and only time the two doctors have met.
"Why Dr. Murray has chosen to drag my client's name into this, we don't know," Agwara said.
Agwara admitted Adams had given Jackson Propofol before -- on three or four occasions in 2008 -- all for dental procedures.
"Mr. Jackson was in town and needed dental work done," Agwara said.
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Agwara said he could not elaborate on the connection between Murray and Adams.
“He's angry. You can imagine he's angry. He can't even imagine why Murray would even bring his name up," Agwara said. “He's wondering, ‘I wasn't there on June 25 in Los Angeles, I have not seen him in awhile. I treated him last year. Why is my name being dragged into this?’"
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This last bolded part makes me think that Michael was not present in that meeting, but of course I may be mistaken...
 
Adams is pissed that Murray dragged his name into this.. I bet Adams was watching and monitoring MJ during the procedure with monitors unlike Murray who felt talking on the phone to his girlfriends was more important than his patient
 
elusive moonwalker said:
Yeah depends on what u are having.didnt the A.R say mj had implants and alot of other major things that woukd require surgery
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Yes, he did.
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Ingelief said:
i still have weird feelings hearing anestesia on dental procedures never heared that ever before we only get an injection with some meds
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elusive moonwalker said:
Yeah depends on what u are having.didnt the A.R say mj had implants and alot of other major things that woukd require surgery
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Justthefacts said:
I know he had root canal work done
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In US I have seen propofol (or similar drugs) regularly being given in hard extractions (such as wisdom teeth) and in the case of implants. Generally I don't think it's given for root canals. But there are exceptions for example if the dentist is to do a job that would take quite some time they might prefer anesthesia because if the patient is out and they are not moving around, twitching etc they can get the job done faster. Furthermore I have a friend that's really afraid of dental procedures, she would literally cannot sit still as she's afraid and even kick and fight, move her head around etc, wouldn't let the dentist in her mouth, the dentist does everything she needs under anesthesia. Technically she doesn't need it but they have to do it.

In short there could be certain dental procedures and personal conditions that makes the use of propofol acceptable in dentistry.


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Now for Adam's testimony

in my opinion the way Adams could "help" Murray a little bit if he portrays Michael as demanding and even dependent of Propofol in other words establish a propofol history.

However as many of you pointed out it wouldn't equal Michael to being reckless to the point of self inject / self drink. Again like many of you pointed out getting Adams who was an anestheologist give him propofol shows that he wanted it done properly.

Also regardless, nothing explains why Murray didn't properly administer and monitor, left Michael alone, took time to call help, clean up the scene and withheld information.
 
ivy said:
In US I have seen propofol (or similar drugs) regularly being given in hard extractions (such as wisdom teeth) and in the case of implants. Generally I don't think it's given for root canals. But there are exceptions for example if the dentist is to do a job that would take quite some time they might prefer anesthesia because if the patient is out and they are not moving around, twitching etc they can get the job done faster. Furthermore I have a friend that's really afraid of dental procedures, she would literally cannot sit still as she's afraid and even kick and fight, move her head around etc, wouldn't let the dentist in her mouth, the dentist does everything she needs under anesthesia. Technically she doesn't need it but they have to do it.

In short there could be certain dental procedures and personal conditions that makes the use of propofol acceptable in dentistry.
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Thats true... It depends on what procedure you are getting done and the person. For some reason some people have phobias about going to the dentist. Also some people dont like getting all those shots of novacaine(sp) in their mouth. If MJ was getting implants, he probably was getting put under. Also, the procedure may not have been completed all in one day but in multiple sessions..
 
JMie said:
It's my understanding that dr. Adams gave MJ propofol during medical procedures and in a medical setting. I think Murray's team is grasping at straws.
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Right. I think it was dental procedures. I can't see how that would help Murray, because the anesthetic was administered in the proper setting, for the right reasons. I think what the defense will try to do is prove that Michael, or Murray on Michael's behalf, tried to enlist Adams for the tour, to give Michael propofol. It seems likely that that is the tactic the defense will pursue, that the propofol was Michael's idea, and Murray was doing what he was told to do. That will NOT absolve Murray of his extreme negligence. There is no excuse for it, and I'm sure the jury will see through it.
 
in my opinion the way Adams could "help" Murray a little bit if he portrays Michael as demanding and even dependent of Propofol in other words establish a propofol history.
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Yeah that is the only way and obviously what the defence are reaching for but from what adams own lawyer has said about his treatment of mj. That argument is null and void.the defence will no doubt attack adams on the stand and try to get him to say somthing in reaction to prove their argument after adams has testifyed for the pros
 
elusive moonwalker said:
in my opinion the way Adams could "help" Murray a little bit if he portrays Michael as demanding and even dependent of Propofol in other words establish a propofol history.
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Yeah that is the only way and obviously what the defence are reaching for but from what adams own lawyer has said about his treatment of mj. That argument is null and void.the defence will no doubt attack adams on the stand and try to get him to say somthing in reaction to prove their argument after adams has testifyed for the pros
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I was thinking the same thing.
 
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Adams will only say he gave it during dental surgery I don't see how that can help Murray at all.. Murray used it for non-medical purposes. What doctor in their right mind uses anesthesia as an everyday sleeping aid? I don't care if MJ begged him for it, the doctor should've said No Michael, this is dumb and can kill you and I won't do it because I don't know what I'm doing and you can die.. That is all the killer had to say and he wouldn't be in this predicament and MJ wouldn't be dead
 
StacyJ said:
Adams will only say he gave it during dental surgery I don't see how that can help Murray at all.. Murray used it for non-medical purposes. What doctor in their right mind uses anesthesia as an everyday sleeping aid? I don't care if MJ begged him for it, the doctor should've said No Michael, this is dumb and can kill you and I won't do it because I don't know what I'm doing and you can die.
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Exactly. And this is why I get so angry and disgusted seeing people giving Murray unlimited passes and acting like he didn't even have to have the sense that The Highest gave a snail. The man had 20 years or more of medical experience and took leave of his ethical senses and another man died. Yet, the doctor is being treated like some kind of saint. I don't care if Michael begged for the propofol either at this point since that theory has been all over this case from the first day. Murray is responsible because he gave it to him, in my opinion. For example, from what I heard, and I might be wrong, some people got put in jail for what happened to Anna Nicole Smith and as with Michael, there were claims that she wanted the stuff that wound up killing her. I personally believe, from the public reaction, that very few people, if any, were feeling sympathy for these folks. But Murray has admitted doing a similar thing and then blames his lapse of judgement on Michael and nobody in the public seems to care? I can't believe it. This is all just my opinion.
 
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Kingofpop4ever3000 said:
Exactly. And this is why I get so angry and disgusted seeing people giving Murray unlimited passes and acting like he didn't even have to have the sense that The Highest gave a snail. The man had 20 years or more of experience and took leave of his ethical senses and another man died. Yet, the doctor is being treated like some kind of saint. I don't care if Michael begged for the propofol either at this point since that theory has been all over this case from the first day. Murray is responsible because he gave it to him, in my opinion. For example, from what I heard, and I might be wrong, some people got put in jail for what happened to Anna Nicole Smith and as with Michael, there were claims that she wanted the drugs that wound up killing her. I personally believe, from the public reaction, that very few people if any were feeling sympathy for these folks. But Murray has admitted doing a similar thing and then blames his lapse of judgement on Michael and nobody in the public seems to care? I can't believe it. This is all just my opinion.
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So true... that is why I've always said that MJ's family is letting him down.. Mike's family should be all up in the medical examiners' behind stripping this reckless fool of his license. They should be reminding folks that this fool was texting and talking to his girlfriends while MJ lay in a coma induced with anesthesia.. They need to be reminding folks of what Murray did to MJ
 
Unfortnately i think mjs family only seem to care bout $$$ these days
 
Ingelief said:
sorry but this is for me so wrong to say. ofcourse there upset michael died, how can you say the fam doesnt care?
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Cuz their actions & words lately havent shown any care bout the trial
 
8701girl said:
Cuz their actions & words lately havent shown any care bout the trial
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We only see a small part of the family. We don't know how each individual feels. And, to group them all together is just wrong. Some people are more passive when they are hurting and some are more of a fighter. Would I like them to be more in the forefront with this? Of course! But to say they don't care about it at all is a bit much. They may be on to other pursuits, but at least some family members always show their disdain for Murray when interviewed. How do we know they haven't talked to the coroner? How do we know exactly what they have done? I may be upset at some of the things they do, but I would never say they don't care at all.

StacyJ said:
you are right about that.. The fact that MJ is dead and was killed means nothing to them
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Would you just stop it, really? I could take one post from you and repost it every time and it would sum up the whole of what you have to say. you know good and well that this is not correct. Although I might take issue with what some family members have done, there is no way I would say the fact that he is dead and killed means nothing to them. However, I am very happy to have a psychic on the board who can not only tell the future, but can read hearts and minds. Being greedy and shady does not automatically equate to not caring.

Besides what does this have to do with 95% of the threads you post this in. This thread is about Dr Adams testifying not about whether or not you think the family let MJ down. It would be good for a change to come into a trhead in the case forum that is more about the topic at hand rather than another attempt point fingers at the family.
 
ginvid said:
We only see a small part of the family. We don't know how each individual feels. And, to group them all together is just wrong. Some people are more passive when they are hurting and some are more of a fighter. Would I like them to be more in the forefront with this? Of course! But to say they don't care about it at all is a bit much. They may be on to other pursuits, but at least some family members always show their disdain for Murray when interviewed. How do we know they haven't talked to the coroner? How do we know exactly what they have done? I may be upset at some of the things they do, but I would never say they don't care at all.
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Its just some of the things they say etc like bout mj being an "addict" etc etc... its excatly the excuse murray is looking for to have him not convicted. The family need to becareful with they say to the media especially now with the trial coming up as murray will use it to his advantage.
 
Oh I agree with you on that 100%. Bad taste and stupid. Even if they thought it was true (I don't think it was), what is the point in saying it? Then again, I don't think that equates to them not caring at all. But let's not dewll on this. Let's get back on topic. :)
 
It is understandable that Murray has to show a history of use/'abuse' of propofol (sp??) but one has to be very careful with hostile witnesses. They can often do more harm than good to your defense.
 
Don't see how receiving propofol by an anesthesiologist for a legitimate medical/dental procedure can conceivably help the defense. Do they hope to show he was addicted to it? And then so what? Or not addicted to it and so what? Or needed a large dose to put him under or a smaller dose? So what? Even if they show that Michael 'demanded' it, so what? How would that mitigate murray's actions? It wouldn't.
As has been said ad nauseum, it does not change the fact that 'the doctor' left his patient unattended while under the effect of a general anesthetic, etc., etc.
 
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cinzia said:
Don't see how receiving propofol by an anesthesiologist for a legitimate medical/dental procedure can onceivably help the defense. Do they hope to show he was addicted to it? And then so what? Or not addicted to it and so what? Or needed a large dose to put him under or a smaller dose? So what? Even if they show that Michael 'demanded' it, so what? How would that mitigate what murray's actions? It wouldn't.
As has been said ad nauseum, it does not change the fact that 'the doctor' left his patient unattended while under the effect of a general anesthetic, etc., etc.
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me either.. Adams won't help him at all.. If anything he should bash Murray for giving MJ anesthesia for a non-medical purpose
 
JMie said:
It's my understanding that dr. Adams gave MJ propofol during medical procedures and in a medical setting. I think Murray's team is grasping at straws.
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Yeh and I remember hearing that it was Adams who taught murray how to use it and that he was the one giving it to michael for sleep in his office but that was a rumor and I think Adams denied it. Murray has been grasping for straws since he denied any wrong doing in Michael's death, He and the defense will stop at no means they will find anything to create reasonable doubt in the minds of the jury.
 
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