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Opening statements vary.cant see them being long tbh. the pros are laying their case out in a very easy to understand way.i dont expect them to drag out opening.
 
Does anybody know if today's hearing has finished? And if so, what time will this start tomorrow?
 
Presumed it finished ages ago ad theres been no new reports 0845
 
That's what I was thinking, I wonder what time it will start.
 
LOL I thought that referred to the time of the last news post. Thank you for clearing that up.
 
[h=1]Jurors won't see Jackson's 'This Is It' announcement, judge rules[/h]
By Alan Duke, CNN


September 26, 2011 -- Updated 2012 GMT (0412 HKT)



Los Angeles (CNN) -- Although the judge has limited what Dr. Conrad Murray's lawyers can argue about Michael Jackson's health and state of mind in the months before his death, the defense will "put on a good case," one of Murray's lawyers said Monday.


Jurors will hear opening statements and the first witnesses Tuesday in the trial of Michael Jackson's doctor, who is charged with involuntary manslaughter in the pop icon's death.


Murray's lawyers will not be allowed to show video of Jackson's March 2009 announcement of his "This Is It" concerts in London, Los Angeles County Superior Court Judge Michael Pastor ruled Monday.


The video would show jurors' "Michael Jackson's state of mind and demeanor" and support the testimony by his makeup artist that Jackson was furious the number of scheduled shows was increased from the initial 10 to 50, defense lawyer Nareg Gourjian told the judge.


The London announcement was delayed 90 minutes "because Michael Jackson was passed out and could not get off the sofa," Gourjian said.


Los Angeles County Deputy District Attorney David Walgren objected to the video, arguing that evidence about Jackson's mental and physical condition four months before his June 25, 2009, death is not relevant.


Defense lawyer Michael Flanagan, talking to reporters after the hearing, said prosecution and defense witnesses will testify about Jackson's failing health for several months before his death.


"It didn't just develop the last few days before he died," Flanagan said.


The defense argued the March video would have helped jurors see Jackson's ill health for themselves.


The case against Conrad Murray Jurors seated in MJ death trial.


Pastor agreed with the prosecution and denied the defense request to use the video in the trial.


"We've got witnesses that saw what we're trying to prove," Flanagan said. "We would like to have a recording of exactly what was going on."


The first prosecution witness Tuesday is expected to be Kenny Ortega, who was the producer of Jackson's "This Is It" shows. Flanagan suggested he would offer evidence of Jackson's ill health when cross-examined by defense lawyers.
The judge's rejection of the defense request, along with earlier rulings limiting what Murray's attorneys could present in their defense, are just a fact they have to deal with, he said.


"I don't think anybody's putting on exactly the case they want to present," Flanagan said. "There are rules of evidence we have to comply with. We're going to do the best we can with the rules that are put down on us, and we'll put on a good case."


Pastor denied the prosecution's request Monday to tell jurors about investigators' failed efforts to re-interview Murray in the weeks after Jackson's death. He did meet with them two days after Jackson's death, but the prosecution wanted to show later e-mail and phone voice mail attempts by the county coroner and a police detective to request meetings with Murray.


Pastor ruled that there were "too many variables in phone calls that are being placed" and the efforts to re-interview Murray were not face-to-face communications.


The judge indicated he may rethink that decision if the defense argues during the trial that police did not do a thorough investigation of Jackson's death.


"Dr. Murray gave a full statement to police, stayed there for two and a half hours, answered every question they asked," Flanagan said. "What's he supposed to do -- that on a daily basis?"


Twelve jurors and five alternates will report to court Tuesday morning to hear opening statements in the case against Murray. A sixth alternate juror was dismissed just minutes after she was sworn in Friday.


"It seems like a good jury panel," Flanagan said after the jury was seated Friday.


The jury consists of seven men and five women, including six who are white, five who listed their ethnicity as Mexican or Hispanic and one who identified himself as African-American.


Flanagan said the defense paid little attention to jurors' ethnicity, but instead focused on their answers to the 32-page jury questionnaire.


The court released copies of their answers late Friday, giving a glimpse at the 12 Los Angeles County residents who will decide Murray's fate.


Three of the women said they followed the Casey Anthony trial over the summer. Defense lawyers unsuccessfully used the Anthony case to argue that Murray jurors should be sequestered in a hotel during the trial to shelter them from media reports.


One juror, a retired cartoon animator, said he once met Michael Jackson.


Several jurors described themselves as Jackson fans and two have seen "This Is It," the documentary of Jackson's rehearsals just before his death.


They and their fellow jurors will see clips from the film again since the prosecution is expected to show them during the first day of the trial Tuesday.


Murray could face up to four years in prison if the jury finds him guilty.


The Los Angeles coroner has ruled that Jackson's death on June 25, 2009, was caused by an overdose of the surgical anesthetic propofol combined with other drugs.


Prosecutors have accused Murray, who served as Jackson's personal and full-time physician at the time, of having a role in the overdose.


They contend Murray used a makeshift intravenous drip to administer propofol intended to help Jackson sleep, a practice they argue violated the standard of care and led to the pop music icon's death.
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http://edition.cnn.com/2011/09/26/justice/california-conrad-murray-trial/
 
LastTear said:
LOL I thought that referred to the time of the last news post. Thank you for clearing that up.
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I'm not only translating stuff into German, I'll start to translate elusive's posts as well now, lol.
 
Flannagan doesnt get it does he.hes still trying to push the mj was dieing angle saying there will be witnesses from months before june. err no there wont be.he needs to go read the judges ruling.does he realise how stupid he is. he says he will cross ortega to show that mj was ill. but ortegas testimony will be that he sent mj home cause he wasnt well and murray had a go at him saying theres nothing wrong with him. so flannagan is gonna impeach his own client! and yes flannagan mj was dieing every day but the 23-24th june where he made a miracle recovery
 
elusive moonwalker said:
but ortegas testimony will be that he sent mj home cause he wasnt well and murray had a go at him saying theres nothing wrong with him. so flannagan is gonna impeach his own client!
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Yes, and that's pretty crazy. Same with the email to the insurance company that he sent on June 25.

elusive moonwalker said:
lol yeah sorry about that.
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Haha, don't worry, I was just kidding, I know you are not on a computer.
 
myosotis;3493047 said:
Michael Jackson’s doctor on trial: More jury profile details emerge
Posted: 01:20 PM ET

SEAT #4 – JUROR #39

- Aware of criminal allegations against Michael Jackson but has not drawn any conclusions as to his guilt or innocence

DrDrewHLN Dr. Drew
by InSession
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What? Since then Michael faces criminal charges beyond the grave? Is it me or is it just huge Freudian slip in this article?
 
Talking about 03-05?oh yeah forgot about the insurance email .and gongaware will no doubt say the same as kenny.
 
elusive moonwalker said:
oh yeah forgot about the insurance email
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Yeah, will be funny to hear how they explain that he said in an email to them that Michael was in perfect health and after his death claimed that he was in poor health. Insurance fraud? He made his own mess, now he has to lie in it ... or try to lie his way out of it.
 
Murray Jurors Bring Diverse Life Experiences

A look at the seven men and five women who will hear the case against Michael Jackson's personal physician
By Patrick Healy | Monday, Sep 26, 2011 |

Their names are confidential, kept from the lawyers for the prosecution and for the defense of Dr. Conrad Murray and even from Judge Michael Pastor. But we know much about each of the 12 jurors from the questionnaires they filled out at the beginning of jury selection and the questions they answered in court.


They are seven men and five women. Six of them describe themselves as Caucasian or White, five Latino, one African-American. Five of them live in the San Gabriel Valley, with two more in neighboring Whittier. Eleven work full or part-time. Only one is unemployed. But two have had brushes with bankruptcy.

Contrary to the stereotype of jurors for extended length trials, only one of them works for a government agency.

In response to a pointed questionnaire inquiry, several acknowledge they have known people who suffered from alcoholism. But few professed any familiarity with the 27 drugs listed in the questionnaire, beyond the antibiotic amoxicillin and the painkiller vicodin, which several reported receiving after surgeries. One acknowledged a DUI, and attending a class for it.

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All are familiar with Michael Jackson, but only a handful said they have his music in their collections. One who described Jackson as a "gifted performer" told the court that while working at Disney two decades ago, he was introduced to Jackson during the making of the Captain EO video.

Opening statements are scheduled to begin Tuesday. Below, a thumbnail sketch of each of the Murray jurors:

Juror in Seat One: A 51-year-old man born in Mexico who now lives in Whittier. He works as a letter carrier. He and his wife have five children and six grandchildren. He likes Michael Jackson's music, but did not collect any of it.

Juror in Seat Two: A 57-year-old woman born in Spain, now living in Alhambra. She worked as an accounting manager, but is currently unemployed. Both her children are grown, and she has two grandchildren. She agrees with the questionnaire proposition in question 86: "Celebrities and high-profile people feel they are entitled to act however they please."

Juror in Seat Three: A 45-year-old man born in Charleston, S.C., now living on LA's Westside. He's a partner in a management consulting company with computer system expertise. He and his registered nurse wife have two boys. In his spare time he competes in triathlons. He watched "This is It," the film made from the video of Jackson's final rehearsals, because he was "curious."

Juror in Seat Four: A 32-year-old man who lives in Eagle Rock. He's the only juror with military experience, having served eight years with the Army National Guard. He now works as a book seller. He wrote that he has not read much about the case, but because of the nature of his job he sees all the headlines about it on the periodicals he sells.

Juror in Seat Five: A 48-year-old woman who lives in Temple City. She is a full-time paralegal. She and her husband are hockey Kings fans and also like to go boating. Their two children are grown. She never visits the news and entertainment websites the questionnaire asked about. Her TV viewing tends to be on cable -- she likes Animal Planet, HGTV, an ESPN.

Juror in Seat Six: A 39-year-old man who grew up in LA and now lives in Tujunga. He works as an associate director of product management. He and his wife have two children. He remembers when Jackson's "Thriller" came out nearly 30 years ago, and still has his collection of Jackson music going all the way back to the Jackson 5.

Juror in Seat Seven: A 54-year-old woman who lives in the San Gabriel Valley. She works as office manager for her husband, who owns more than one business. Her five children are all grown. She doesn't consider herself a fan of Jackson, but "loved his music as a very young girl."

Juror in Seat Eight: A 42-year-old man from Mexico who now lives in Lynwood with his wife and their four children. He works as a school bus driver. He likes classical music and news radio, but not TV. He lists his main hobby as mowing their lawn.

Juror in Seat Nine: A 54-year-old bachelor who came to LA from Detroit 21 years ago. He works as a technical director for a cable sports network. His reading tends toward sports and financial. He listens to music and has always liked Jackson's early recordings, but now is "more of a Jay-Z fan."

Juror in Seat 10: A 43-year-old woman from England who moved to the LA area 12 years ago and now lives in Monrovia. She has a degree in biochemistry, works part-time in international marketing, and is married to an executive engineer. They have two young children, but she still believes she can handle serving on a trial expected to go five weeks. "As a new citizen, I see this opportunity as a privilege and my civic duty to do the right thing," she wrote in her questionnaire.

Juror in Seat 11: A 36-year-old woman who has lived in the LA area her whole life. She and her significant other have five children. She works as a customer service rep. She likes reality TV, but usually does not follow high profile criminal cases, except the Casey Anthony trial in Florida "because it involved a child."

Juror in Seat 12: A 54-year-old man, originally from Washigton, DC, now living in Altadena. The past two years he has worked as a college professor after a 20-year career in animation with Disney and other studios. It was while at Disney, he told the court during voir dire questioning, that he was introduced to Jackson. Has a sense of humor. In response to the questionnaire inquiring if he followed the OJ Simpson trial, he wrote, "Who didn't?"

These are the 12 who have been sworn to the task of determining if Jackson's medication overdose death was a crime, and if Dr. Murray is guilty of involuntary manslaughter. Five alternate jurors will also be present for the entire trial, in case they are called to step in.

http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/Murray-Jury-Brings-Diverse-life-Experiences-130545298.html
 
I was waiting for the trial to start and all the past delays drove me crazy; tomorrow is the day and I'm crushed. I feel sad, nervous and angry and I don't understand why since all i wanted was for this doctor to stand trial. My feelings are in conflict now.

So let's hope these jurors comprehend the meaning of the charge and deliberate based on Murray's actions and not on feelings. If they based their decisions on his actions and inactions Murray will be found GUILTY. This is what we were waiting for two years. Let's have hope.
 
Aquarius said:
I was waiting for the trial to start and all the past delays drove me crazy; tomorrow is the day and I'm crushed. I feel sad, nervous and angry and I don't understand why since all i wanted was for this doctor to stand trial. My feelings are in conflict now.

So let's hope these jurors comprehend the meaning of the charge and deliberate based on Murray's actions and not on feelings. If they based their decisions on his actions and inactions Murray will be found GUILTY. This is what we were waiting for two years. Let's have hope.
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I feel the same way. It's really going to happen now. I just hope we get the right outcome for Michael.
 
I love this judge. How does the Defense look at that video and come to the conclusion Michael was on something? Unbelievable.

I like the way the pros is bringing on the witnesses in chronological order, and tying up how during the time Ortega, e.g, were concerned for Michael's health, Muarry was giving him nightly drugs. I always wanted the Pros to do that. Another advantage of this is that if the defense tries to say Michael was sick a lot due to drugs, the Pros can then show again that it was during the same time Muarry was doctoring him!!!! Either way it lands back on Muarry.
 
Petrarose said:
I love this judge. How does the Defense look at that video and come to the conclusion Michael was on something? Unbelievable.

I like the way the pros is bringing on the witnesses in chronological order, and tying up how during the time Ortega, e.g, were concerned for Michael's health, Muarry was giving him nightly drugs. I always wanted the Pros to do that. Another advantage of this is that if the defense tries to say Michael was sick a lot due to drugs, the Pros can then show again that it was during the same time Muarry was doctoring him!!!! Either way it lands back on Muarry.
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Yes indeed, good points.

Thank you Ivy and everyone for the updates.
 
Michael Jackson death: A look at the Conrad Murray trial jurors
September 27, 2011 | 8:00 am


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A jury of seven men and five women will determine the fate of Michael Jackson's personal physician, Dr. Conrad Murray, who is accused of administering a fatal dose of the surgical anesthetic propofol.

Here’s a closer look at the jury, based on their answers to a 32-page questionnaire; they are expected to hear five weeks of testimony, beginning with opening statements Tuesday:

Juror No. 1 is a 51-year-old Mexican-born man who has worked for 24 years as a letter carrier with the U.S. Postal Service. His wife is a medical assistant, and he is the father of five. This is his first time serving on a jury. He watches "Law & Order," is a fan of Michael Jackson's music and tends to believe law enforcement officers, firefighters and doctors are "always believable."

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Juror No. 2 is a 57-year-old woman who was born in Spain. She is currently unemployed but worked as an accounting manager. Her primary news source is NPR. She has served on five previous juries. She closely followed the O.J. Simpson trial –- "A TV was brought to the office for everyone to follow it" -- but said it did not affect her opinion of the criminal justice system. She does not consider herself a Jackson fan.

Juror No. 3 is a 45-year-old man who works as a partner in a management consulting firm. His wife is a former registered nurse, and both his brother-in-law and cousin are physicians. He also has relatives who are attorneys. He was seated on two previous juries, including a murder case in 1994. He does not consider himself a Jackson fan but watched "This Is It," the posthumous Jackson concert documentary, on Netflix out of curiosity.

Juror No. 4 is a 32-year-old man who has worked as a part-time bookseller and cashier. He served as a U.S. Army National Guard specialist as a telecom operator. His primary source of news is the Internet. He has both positive and negative impressions of Jackson: "I think he was talented and I think probably a good person. I am aware of allegations as to his treatment of children but have not drawn any of my own conclusions without having personal knowledge of seeing any evidence."

Juror No. 5 is a 48-year-old woman who has worked as a paralegal for 30 years. She watched the Casey Anthony murder trial "on and off" because a family member was very interested but said it did not affect her opinion of the criminal justice system. She does not consider herself a Jackson fan.

Juror No. 6 is a 39-year-old Cuban/Mexican man who works as an associate director of product management. He is an occasional reader of various Internet news and gossip sites, including drudgereport.com, perezhilton.com and thewrap.com. He considers himself a Jackson fan and owns various Michael Jackson, Jackson 5 and Janet Jackson CDs.

Juror No. 7 is a 54-year-old Mexican American woman who works in office management/customer service as a relocation representative. She followed the Casey Anthony case and witnessed "an outcome of a jury who saw evidence differently than the public majority." She believes people of wealth or fame are treated differently in the court system, citing Lindsay Lohan, Paris Hilton and Britney Spears as examples.

Juror No. 8 is a 42-year-old Mexican-born school bus driver. He "strongly agrees" that celebrities in Los Angeles get away with crimes because of their status. He does not consider himself a fan of Michael Jackson but has a positive opinion of him.

Juror No. 9 is a 54-year-old African American man who works as a technical director in television. He has served on two criminal juries and one civil jury. He considers himself a Jackson fan –- particularly when he was younger –- but now is more of a "Jay-Z fan."

Juror No. 10 is a 43-year-old woman who was born in England. She works in international marketing but previously worked as a pathology/medical technician in a biochemistry lab and has a bachelor's degree in biochemistry. She wanted to serve on the jury as a new U.S. citizen.

Juror No. 11 is a 36-year-old L.A.-born Hispanic female who works as a customer service representative in workers' compensation insurance. She reads People magazine and TMZ.com and watches reality television. She followed the Casey Anthony trial, but it did not affect her opinion of the criminal justice system. She was shot in a drive-by shooting in 1993.

Juror No. 12 is a 54-year-old man who retired from animating characters for motion pictures. He currently teaches college-age students. He considers Michael Jackson a "gifted performer" and has owned Jackson CDs and albums since he was a teenager.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2011/09/michael-jackson-case-a-look-at-the-12-jurors.html#more
 
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