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Murray Trial- Day 17 - October 25

Seriously, why is the defense is so disorganized. Do they even know what their witnesses can and cannot do?
 
anyway so the 9th witness is the first actual defence witness to take the stand!
 
Ramona122003 said:
Seriously, why is the defense is so disorganized. Do they even know what their witnesses can and cannot do?
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yeah it does sound like that doesnt it. they have someone testifying whos no qualifiyed to speak on certain issues
 
So they believe this guy is more qualified than Dr Shafer? OMG
 
ever been asked to do theraputic levels? a few times not much pretty rarely. do theaputic levels when testing in the lab can u tell the theraputic levels now? no the guy in the lab does it? think he said that? . is that it?? direct over?

lawyers approach

15 minute break they need to discuss something. looks to me like a big flanagan f*** up. or am i getting my hopes up
 
why is there another break? What issue came up? Sorry my internet connection went off again, didn't get what this break is about
 
Flanagan is giving the impression that he doesn't understand the questions he's asking, let alone the answers. Really pathetic.
 
This is embarrassing to watch! Feel sorry for this witness...you can't stand a lab tech against a world -best researcher who 'wrote the book' (Edit..or at least the computer programme)...wonder if Dr Shafer is watching...
 
Randy Philips

Chernoff

in 2007, wascontacted by Peter Lopez about MJ potentially going back on stage.

It would have been a monumental achievment for AEG, MJ was the greatest star

RP says the last time MJ was on stage was in the late 90s

The meeting with Lopez was in Las Vegas, Raymone Bain, a lawyer named Cross, Raymone Bain's assistnant, and another gentleman, the meeting lasted an hour and a half, the location was chosen by Lopez

had other contacts with Lopez and Bain in 2007, not with MJ.

At that moment, MJ was not ready to go back on stage, so RP didn't pursue it

Then , Tom Barracks from colony capital contacted AEG in late august 08. Colony capal is a private equity fund, Tom Barrack is a partner; TB contacted Phil Anschultz, then Phil anschultz contacted RP, about MJ re starting his career

RP set up a meeting in Century City in LA with Tom Barrack and his partner. Richard Nannula.. Colony capital had purchased the note on Nevreland from a company called Fortress. They talked about the concerts.

Then RP met Dr Tohme, presented to RP as MJs manager, at the Bel Air hotel, same week as Colony capital. MJ wanted to re start his career, first live shows, then he would put out new music. Thome said he was MJs manager;

Then there were other meetings, negotiations, phone calls, with Thome and Peter Lopez and Dennis Hawk

RP met MJ at the Bel Air hotel, in september. It was MJ, Thome, RP, and bodyguards, Bodyguards were not in the meeting.

As of september 2008, the plan was to do a residency show at the O2. It takes a very special artist to do that. Then there could have been a tour. This plan was discussed with MJ, MJ was very receptive to this idea. From this discussion, MJ seemed was motivated.

Other meetings were held at the Bel Air hotel, to narrow down the paramaters. He din't talk about money with MJ, only creative things.

October 2008 meeting : MJ, Tohme, nanny, kids dressed in costumes, in mjs suite. MJ wanted to re start his carreer, settle down and get a good home, was tired od being a vagabaond. It got emotional when he described how he had lived, MJ cried, RP cried too. Meeting lasted 1 hour to 90mn

AEG contract provided 31 shows, MJ wanted to o 10 more shows than Prince, MJ came up with the number

contract was signed on 26 january 2009 (assuming i was 26) , at MJs house.

Many many many questions about the contract result in «*Objeection, Sustained*» , among others one that asked who paid for carolwood

Initially AEG advertised 10 shows, you wuldn't put all shows on sale at the same time

Press conference was on march 5th

between january 28th to march 5th there were creative discussions, production discussions, no rehearsal

Press Conference was set up by RP's staff in London , with the help of a PR

Judge pastor deosn't allow further questions about the press conference

After the announcement, sales started over the top. Did a pre registration, to set a data base for MJ, through a website «*MichaelJacksonLive.com*». RP had never seen that kind of demand. Paul Gongaware said to ask MJ if he would do more shows,there was an unprecedented demand.

Spoke to Tohme, and right after to MJ. MJ said 50 hows maximum, and set 2 condition : an estate , 16 + acres, horses , outside of London, for his kids, 2nd condition was that 50th show wanted the guiness, book people to be at the 50th show, because he knew no other performer could do that.

In march MJ, Paul had a couple of meetings about the shows, to help do the budgets; MJ said he wanted KO to be the director.

Ko was part of the team in april, KO hired personnel, auditionned for dancers in april.

Rehearsals started in may, RP is not 100% sure.

MJ talked about a personnal doctor in May, RP was not involved in initial discussion. Talks about a conversation at the forum, with Frank Dileo, PG, Tim Whooley (accountant) , they said they couldn't talk MJ out of hiring his own personal doctor, it would be expensive, they wanted a doctor based in London , but MJ was firm :* «*I want my own physician, 24/7, I have a physician». PG negociated with CM, not RP.

Didnt know CM, but met him at MJs house, during the 1st week of june, it was a week day. Not 100% sure.
The meeting was in late afternoon, 4 or 5 pm. PG and Frank called the meeting, to discuss what CM would do for Michael, Frank worried about MJ not eating enough. Doesn't think KO was there;

In may ther was no conversation about Mjs condition.

CM was going to make sure MJ ate properly, CM was going to give him supplemental protein drinks , RP asked CM how wasMJs healt, CM said it was good,

It was obvious to RP that MJ trusted CM, and that they had a close relationship.

At that time, the rehearsals were going on. Mj was not expected to be at all rehearsals.

There was concern in the second week of june , concerned expressed by KO. MJ was not as engaged as he needed to be, acording to KO

The rehaersals were supposed to move to london around june 25th;

The pressure rises as you get closer to the shows.

The main concern was MJs focus, and attending rehearsals.
RP called MAW, MJ was resting, he may have spoken to CM

meeting on 20th june. About Kenny Ortega's email : «*tough love*», «*pulling the plug*» : wasn't sure what KO meant with this. There was no concern that the show would be cancelled, they would have been postponed. No one was contemplating pulling the plug;

After KO's email, Frank Dileo called , to ask RP to put up a meeting, so RP emailed or called CM. Frank never mentionned drug use by MJ. RP had one conversation with CM, tol CM that dr Klein was also treating Mj. Told CM about Klein, because at one production meeting , MJ was not focused as he usually was , he was usually* «*laser focused*»
asked MAW if MJ was Ok, MAW said he's coming back from Dr Klein's

RP was not aware of any other doctor.

June 20th meeting was an emergency in KO's mind, and Frank Dileo , Frank was out of town , so he asked RP to hold a meeting;

were present at the meeting : MJ CM RP KO . It was in early afternoon, may have forwarded Ko's e mail to CM, doesn't know if he called or e mailed CM
KO started , said MJ needed to focus, show more engagement, MJ said he was ready, MJ told KO «*you build the house, I put the door and paint*»; KO's main worry was MJs engegment, not his health, KO Thought health ws maybe the issue.

RP Went to reaharsal after that meeting, on 23rd and 24th

25th june : received a phone call, from Frank believes it was 10 30 or 11 am, RP doesn't know who called Frank. It took him 15 mn to go to Carolwood, arrived when the ambulance left, followed the ambulance, stayed at he hospital until the evening;
Frank joined hm at the hospital, they stayed together , sitting on a gurney.
Saw CM at the hospital, in the ER, and in the confernece room, the one with lawyers, AEG people
Talked cm in the lobby, CM was in severe distress; doesn't remember what CM said.
 
I can't believe Dr White is going to risk his reputation for Conrad Murray.
 
direct is over? Really? I just missed a minute, how come it's over already?
 
twinklEE said:
why is there another break? What issue came up? Sorry my internet connection went off again, didn't get what this break is about
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flanagan asked to approach and the judge said an isue has come up but we dont know what it is

b4 that did flanagan say his direct was over?? anyone clarify that? heard him say something like "thats it"

its unclear whether direct is over. but the impression that is given is that flannagan messed up and is asking the witness about theraputic levels etc yet the witness seems to have no knowledge of them. its abit confusing. just gonna have to wait for the break to be over
 
http://twitter.com/jermjackson5
http://www.twitlonger.com/show/dqqhat
Defense's hollow point from AEG's Randy Phillips -- that Amir wouldn't let him speak with Michael because he'd just returned from Dr Klein -- is a pointless smokescreen. It is normal for someone to be groggy after dermatological treatments. Same way I was 'doped up' and out of it after my dental treatment at weekend. These treatments for Michael, over a period of weeks, prove NOTHING but two facts: a) he visited Dr Klein for established dermatological reasons and b) most of us are not fit to speak with anyone after invasive medical procedures @HLNTV @CNN @InSession #murraytrial #smokescreen
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The defence are really poor, doesn't help i suppose that they haven't got anything to work with. Chernoff on direct was hopeless, kept repeating himself, and getting the same answers, walgren is always so clear and methodical, very easy for the jury to follow.

And as for flannigan and his lorazampam, surely he must just be having a converation with himself, unless the jury are closet toxicologists how can they engage with this?
 
elusive moonwalker said:
flanagan asked to approach and the judge said an isue has come up but we dont know why

b4 that did flanagan say his direct was over?? anyone clarify that? heard him say something like "thats it"

its unclear whether direct is over. but the impression that is given is that flannagan messed up and is asking the witness about theraputic levels etc yet the has no knowledge of them. its abit confusing. just gonna have to wait for the break to be over
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I'm tempted to say the entire trial proceedings are beyond Flanagan's expertise......
 
I almost feel sorry for grandpa.. ehm I mean Flanazepam for embarrassing himself like this time after time.
 
from mjjstreet .com dont know who the tweeter is though. anyone? credible?




@MMcParland Michael McParland
It is not clear whether Mr Hansen is properly qualified to answer the opinion.

@MMcParland Michael McParland
What Def is trying to do is to get a peak level of Lorazepam would be 0.18 ug/ml hence 0.169 ug/ml= 8/9 pills.

@Problem for Defence is that Dr M gave Lorazepam by IV, and there were equivalent of either 1/43rd of a tablet in the stomach.

@MMcParland Michael McParland
All Mr Henson does it test blood, look up the therapeutic range. He's not qualified as an expert.

@MMcParland Michael McParland
Mr Henson has been abandonned as an expert. His last answer indicated that he was not qualified to answe
 
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