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elusive moonwalker said:
17 violations with only one to be agreed apon for conviction.
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pls refresh my memory.. the 17 violations.. are u referring to what dr Shafers said about 17 egregious violations of care ?? or did the judge state 17 violations?
 
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wow I cannot believe that we still dont have a verdict. This is worry some to me. Thats means that their are some/a juror that may think that Murray is innocent...I dont understand HOW they can think that. smdh
 
chanel05 said:
Yea but then again they have to take their job seriously and this case comes down to alot of science. So its not so cut and dry if they don't fully understand the science of the case.I think he is guilty though
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science really has nothing to do with the case. its about negligence.yes those violations ie not having monitoring equipment etc.
 
They are just doing their job. They take it serious so be patient - One day is is very quick .. especially if they want to review the evidense . We are biased so it cut and dry to us. They have a duty. In the end I belive the only decision they can come to is guilty

Keep the faith.
It is nerve wracking but remember we went through 13 days of deliberation in MJs Trial and it turned out in his favor.
 
I'm really surprised that we didn't get a verdict today. I'm going to stay positive though and hope that we will get the right verdict. Thank you all for your company, support and updates throughout this. Hugs to all.
 
elusive moonwalker said:
science really has nothing to do with the case. its about negligence.yes those violations ie not having monitoring equipment etc.
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Oh no, I do believe this case has lots to do with science, for there is no other way to have people to accept the facts about Michael. It's easier to believe he is guilty of his own death, so science is needed, for it shows the truth to the lazy ones who rather trusting in comments without any real proof.
And of course, as you say, it is about negligence, which can be proved with science, if used the right way.
 
SO they did deliberate for approx 5 hours and 30 minutes


Im off to bed now. Nite all
 
xthunderx2 said:
wow I cannot believe that we still dont have a verdict. This is worry some to me. Thats means that their are some/a juror that may think that Murray is innocent...I dont understand HOW they can think that. smdh
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I wouldn't rush to such conclusions. That might also mean that they are being through evaluating the evidence and try to determine how Michael died and how much Murray contributed to it. that's what they are supposed to do.

Given the medical evidence and how it's relatively hard to follow , this to take time was expected. One day was always to soon.

As I said before I expect a relatively quick verdict 2-3 days. To me this is normal.
 
This might seem farfetched, but perhaps the jury is taking this long only because it's Michael Jackson, and such a high profile case. What I mean is They want to make sure and prove to themselves and the media that they are not "caught up in the moment". They will prove that they took time reviewing all the evidence, without letting their emotions and experiences with Michael's work affect their decision. Both the media and the jury themselves can be assured that they took the time to use EVIDENCE to find their final verdict.
 
This could mean a lot of things. They're trying to be through or they're enjoying the attention they know they're getting and will get from sitting on a historic trial.Basically, they're milking it for all its worth.And how will they get book deals and movie deals if they don't drag this out for as long as possible? Yes, I'm a pessimist.Or one or two on there being pain in the butts. Who knows.
 
ivy said:
I wouldn't rush to such conclusions. That might also mean that they are being through evaluating the evidence and try to determine how Michael died and how much Murray contributed to it. that's what they are supposed to do.

Given the medical evidence and how it's relatively hard to follow , this to take time was expected. One day was always to soon.

As I said before I expect a relatively quick verdict 2-3 days. To me this is normal.
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I'm agree - they can't jump to conclusion without checking each testimony, each evidence and clear up anything that could induce doubt, they have a ton of scientist stuff and have heard experts who rebutted each other, they must clear up all this -and I don't even talk about CM's interview, I bet they have heard it again -
 
No Verdict until Monday at the earliest!!!
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I can't believe we didn't get the verdict today. what is so hard? I think only the autopsy report is enough to verdict conrad murray. it is the homicide. with all other overwhelming evidence, what is so hard for jury to make the decision. I really don't understand it, anyone with brain knew Murray was guilty as hell.
 
Did anyone else have trouble getting on the site? I am just wondering I haven't for a few hours because it's said site busy.

I am still scared and nervous. I think the jury shouldn't rush and go through everything. I think they were told to do that right? I hope I don't upset anyone by saying this but I hope Michael's celebrity is not held against him. I notice that people are doing that in comments I see on tv or the news sites. I know I shouldn't pay attention but you can't help but worry.
 
Yeah, there's a lot of evidence and stuff they need to review. It's their job to be fair and go over the testimony and evidence. I'm sure there are some on that jury who don't understand a lot of those charts and graphs (like me heh) and much of it probably needs clarification. I really didn't think a verdict would be reached in one day with the enormous amount of information produced by this trial.

Man, I cannot stand that Richard Herman criminal defense attorney on HLN. He has been pro Murray from the start.

Geez, the waiting is sooooo excruciating. Let's pray the wait will be worth it.
 
Looks like the verdict will be most likely next week , wish it wasnt though
 
The prosecution provided two theories and the jury has to agree unanimously on one if they find him guilty. So it is pretty complex: they all have to find him guilty and all have to agree on the theory.

The first theory is that Murray's administration of propofol to Jackson was criminally negligent and it caused Jackson's death.
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[The second theory that jurors could accept is that Murray, who assumed a legal obligation to care for Jackson when he became his physician, failed to perform this legal duty by deviating from standards of care required of a doctor, including, when he left him alone and unmonitored after administering propofol.
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Pastor said that the jury must unanimously agree on one of two theories in order to convict Murray on the single count of involuntary manslaughter.
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Even if they all agreed he was guilty they may not have agreed on the theory. I wouldn't get too worried yet.

I know it is hard, but have faith and hang in here with your fellow fans.
 
I'm so glad the verdict wasn't today. The jury seems dedicated and thorough--if the verdict comes back as guilty on Monday (or at a later point next week), it is certain as Hell nobody can claim they were "hasty" in their decision. It may seem obvious to us (and anyone with even half a brain), but the jury has to go over a mountain of evidence, etc. These things take time, and like Suzy said, some people may not fully comprehend the scientific charts or medical testimony. We have to remember a jury of our peers is composed of all sorts of people, from university professors to bus drivers, so the amount of understanding regarding complex testimony/evidence is naturally varied.

With that said, for the second time in my life, I have faith in the jury's determination to make the right decision. Let us hope I am not proven wrong. It is not often I am overcome by a good feeling.
 
One of the negative things about this trial is that so many of the women on trutv are calling Michael an addict. I think it was the Velez one why said that he was an addict when he died. She referred to the medicine in his home, and of course did not consider that most of these pills were not taken consistently. Now this is the legacy of the trial.


I am curious to know what is holding up the decision. Could it be that the jury is considering chernoff's claim about no drip and Michael as the cause and are hung up on that issue.
 
If MJ wasn't on a drip on June 25th then why was he found with a condom cather on?

Someone need to tell that to that stupid lady that be outside with a sign that reads no drip u must acquit cause she is a moron and most likely gettin paid to be there.
 
Petrarose said:
One of the negative things about this trial is that so many of the women on trutv are calling Michael an addict. I think it was the Velez one why said that he was an addict when he died. She referred to the medicine in his home, and of course did not consider that most of these pills were not taken consistently. Now this is the legacy of the trial.


I am curious to know what is holding up the decision. Could it be that the jury is considering chernoff's claim about no drip and Michael as the cause and are hung up on that issue.
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Velez calls him an addict every chance she gets so she can promote her shitty book about her struggle with alcoholism. :rolleyes:
 
I would have been surprised to get a verdict on the first day, even the judge's instructions would have taken a while to go through. Keep tha faith.
 
while we wait and have a weekend i came across this i wanted to share with you all.
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Conrad-Murray-is-Guilty/248964498466137

A facebook page for his quilt.

Further more i hope after this trial is ended and Cm will rot in prison, i hope we can still be a group together for one purpose to help michaels legacy. To keep his voice of helping the world and children up.
I need a good weekend of alot of michaeling, his music and his love around me. To much stress during the trial and all.
 
bluetopez said:
If MJ wasn't on a drip on June 25th then why was he found with a condom cather on? Someone need to tell that to that stupid lady that be outside with a sign that reads no drip u must acquit cause she is a moron and most likely gettin paid to be there.
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The condom catheter was to collect urine.
 
ivy said:
I wouldn't rush to such conclusions. That might also mean that they are being through evaluating the evidence and try to determine how Michael died and how much Murray contributed to it. that's what they are supposed to do. Given the medical evidence and how it's relatively hard to follow , this to take time was expected. One day was always to soon. As I said before I expect a relatively quick verdict 2-3 days. To me this is normal.
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wouldnt u expect ppl to go into the jury room with their opinon already formed. why the need to start going through everything unless the jury is split. which is disturbing in its self
 
And why was the defense going on about Michael injecting himself if his fingerprints were not found on anything that he would have needed to use? I thought that the issue that none of his fingerprints were found was a long-established fact. I know the case has already gone to the jury. But I just hope they took note of that.
 
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