Frank Cascio "My Friend Michael"/ Excerpt @pg151/New Interview Post 3743

Re: Frank Cascio "My Friend Michael" book release date Nov 15 ,2011 / Excerpt posted at @pg151

I thought it was only limited to paternity

Paternity. Maternity.

Is there really a difference? WE've been told the kids were off limit. Personal and paparazzi pictures cannot be posted here, yet discussions about their DNA is permitted.



I understand the first part about Propofol. Although I'm not sure how moody would know whether Michael got propofol or not for certain unless he /she was spending every minute of every night with Michael in his room.

and the second part is just an assumption to which moody himself/herself said "I can be wrong". Michael was talking about a friend which moody assumed to be Frank. yet everyone is acting like it's a fact. during that discussion moody revealed a special woman in Michael's life. Plus if what Frank says is true and he didn't have contact with Michael by T-Mez's orders how was he able to set him up with woman? And if moody only meant Frank talking to Friedman about the fan story then the rest of what Michael said was not needed to be revealed - if this is an issue about invasion of privacy.

and to be clear - I had no issues with Frank writing that Michael loved some woman in his book and I have no issues with moody writing Michael had a special someone in his life.

The issue - and what Pace pointed out was - some people who hated on Frank for writing "private" information on his book and questioned his information and honestly and such, somewhat so easily accepted moody's "private" information with no questions of "who are you and how do you know this" - as long as it was badmouthing Frank. That's what we were talking about.
and note: as I said moody knows what I think about his/her information. This is not about moody but how people flip-flop on this thread.

He presented MJ's POV, as he heard it to rebuke Frank's.


Dead at you using flip flop....I've been saying the same thing about the Frank's supporters.

I don't see how else he could have refuted FC's claims without putting in context his own experience with MJ.
 
Re: Frank Cascio "My Friend Michael" book release date Nov 15 ,2011 / Excerpt posted at @pg151

well i just ordered the book in english and have it in a week or so/ Im excited to read it first before i make up my mind. And also im disapointed that some fans here are so against everybody surrounding michaels life. IMO its seems more a jealousy issue than he or she is doing wrong by writing a book. Imo michael didnt mind if the truth came out, more then lies. he spend more then a decade with the cascios for a good reason. they must be friends and nice. So why can we not follow michaels hearth and be nice to them? first the hate around the songs and now this book.
Can a person surounding michael do good in some of your hatefull eyes i wonder :( so much hate, instead of love respect and honesty where michael stands for
 
Re: Frank Cascio "My Friend Michael" book release date Nov 15 ,2011 / Excerpt posted at @pg151

well i just ordered the book in english and have it in a week or so/ Im excited to read it first before i make up my mind. And also im disapointed that some fans here are so against everybody surrounding michaels life. IMO its seems more a jealousy issue than he or she is doing wrong by writing a book. Imo michael didnt mind if the truth came out, more then lies. he spend more then a decade with the cascios for a good reason. they must be friends and nice. So why can we not follow michaels hearth and be nice to them? first the hate around the songs and now this book.
Can a person surounding michael do good in some of your hatefull eyes i wonder :( so much hate, instead of love respect and honesty where michael stands for

You are every sweet Ingleif. You have a kind heart
 
Re: Frank Cascio "My Friend Michael" book release date Nov 15 ,2011 / Excerpt posted at @pg151

Paternity. Maternity.

Is there really a difference? WE've been told the kids were off limit. Personal and paparazzi pictures cannot be posted here, yet discussions about their DNA is permitted.

dna? it's more like conception. and seriously don't we have discussions on this board that calls debbie mother versus the surrogate? I haven't seen anyone complaining then. and what Michael have said on Bashir had been fair game - as far as I can see from the searches. for example there was a maternity talk during the custody hearings.


He presented MJ's POV, as he heard it to rebuke Frank's.

I don't see how else he could have refuted FC's claims without putting in context his own experience with MJ.

as I said I understand the Propofol part - as it's something mentioned in the book. which can be refuted. however I'm not sure how moody is so certain about it unless moody was with Michael all the times?

the walk with the girls, girls going on TV etc is not something in Frank's book so it's not something to be refuted. It's something moody believes to be negative about Frank but also not sure and can be wrong. When I read that the very first sentence of " a friend telling journalist about fans" I thought it could refer to Frank talking to Friedman. and if yes - that was enough. If the rest alleges that Frank set up Michael with woman again I'm curious about how Frank did that when he didn't see or talk to Michael after he was charged and arraigned. (come to think of it Frank writes that Randy took over everything at that time in Michael's life and wasn't that blonde woman Randy's assistant?)

Sorry but to me this debunking seems to be weak (perhaps due to withholding details) and I definitely need more details to make up my mind. moody can pm me if he so wishes.
 
Re: Frank Cascio "My Friend Michael" book release date Nov 15 ,2011 / Excerpt posted at @pg151

well i just ordered the book in english and have it in a week or so/ Im excited to read it first before i make up my mind. And also im disapointed that some fans here are so against everybody surrounding michaels life. IMO its seems more a jealousy issue than he or she is doing wrong by writing a book. Imo michael didnt mind if the truth came out, more then lies. he spend more then a decade with the cascios for a good reason. they must be friends and nice. So why can we not follow michaels hearth and be nice to them? first the hate around the songs and now this book.
Can a person surounding michael do good in some of your hatefull eyes i wonder :( so much hate, instead of love respect and honesty where michael stands for

Ingelief, it has indeed proven much more beneficial to actually read the book that others want to throw on a big pile with a lit torch. I have an issue with this type of mass movement thought control.
This way you can always decide for yourself if the outrage is warranted, or not. I didn't buy Taraborelli's book, or even Jermaine's for a number of reasons- and that's okay as well. People need to decide that for themselves and if someone is doesn't want to read Cascio's book- that's fair game. It's just very sad when people call one another every name in the book. I would never call anyone a traitor, leech or backstabber just because they decided to read Jermaine Jackson's book. "You're either with us or against us" is a minefield...

And thanks for the braveness to comment on the very way people denounce one another of a couple of books (!!!). Or as dear, dear friend of mine once commented rightly, when she brought up the plain lack of goodwill of fans toward one another: She was told to "go back to the monastery", lolol.

I wish you a good time reading the book (reading in English is usually a lot easier than having to express yourself in English)- plus, you can always come back and reference back with those who have actually read the book.
Enjoy the book!

Or, as a wise man said:
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.
Aristotle
Greek critic, philosopher, physicist, & zoologist (384 BC - 322 BC)

Here's another one: I WILL read Dieter Wiesner's book because I will not pass up the opportunity to read for myself what he says without a bunch of eager bloggers messing up the translation. I'll read it in the original. :swoon:;D*puts on the pullet proof vest right now*
Memefan clearly needs to add that to her siggie. It's been available since the 15th...
 
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Re: Frank Cascio "My Friend Michael" book release date Nov 15 ,2011 / Excerpt posted at @pg151

It's not a matter of me realiseing the Jackson have make comment about the children, we all know the jackson's sins and we have come to expect them to sell MJ,
it's about you and how you make escuse for frank and his book, compleatly over looking the elephant in the room, frank sell out MJ... This is the issue MJ trust him, and the fact that he turn around and write a book after MJ died about MJ I find it distasteful, he should have maintain the trust, but I guess MJ never have true friends... they love the dead president more.
As for people judging frank well he write a book behind his "best friend" back, sell for profit.. for all we know frank sins agains MJ might not stop there, at no time the end justify the mean, positive or negative, high or low, frank wrong MJ... By selling there friendship for $$$$... What say you ivy?
So is. Frank a good person? I don't know am I going to judge frank? yes he write a tell all about his dead best friend leaving no stone unturned... Really not cool, leave us wondering who really did love MJ more then what he could do for them?

^^Love this post. Yes Frank went into topics, that based on human decency, should have been avoided. Such topics are left for private conversations between interested parties. Yes, we now have to ask who really were Michael Jackson's friends? Is Frank's behavior in the tell all book, typical of a friend? If the answer is yes, then many of us need to examine our friendships more carefully.
 
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Here's another one: I WILL read Dieter Wiesner's book because I will not pass up the opportunity to read for myself what he says without a bunch of eager bloggers messing up the translation. I'll read it in the original. :swoon:;D*puts on the pullet proof vest right now*Memefan clearly needs to add that to her siggie. It's been available since the 15th...
Is the book in German? Are you going to do summaries for us? :fear:
 
Re: Frank Cascio "My Friend Michael" book release date Nov 15 ,2011 / Excerpt posted at @pg151

I wanna read this book - is it available online yet? anyone with info, pls pm me. Much appreciated!
 
Re: Frank Cascio "My Friend Michael" book release date Nov 15 ,2011 / Excerpt posted at @pg151

Here's another one: I WILL read Dieter Wiesner's book because I will not pass up the opportunity to read for myself what he says without a bunch of eager bloggers messing up the translation. I'll read it in the original. :swoon:;D*puts on the pullet proof vest right now*
Memefan clearly needs to add that to her siggie. It's been available since the 15th...

Is the book in German? Are you going to do summaries for us? :fear:

Korgnex is also reading it. and please consider doing summaries for us all.
 
Re: Frank Cascio "My Friend Michael" book release date Nov 15 ,2011 / Excerpt posted at @pg151

I've read all of this thread, and I think it's very, VERY complicated. I'll not be buying this book, for various reasons, but I do think that the discussion here is valuable.

My conclusion is, that Michael was SO special, that Frank needed to do this for himself, and to sort this out. Maybe this piece of writing was his only way of doing it? One thing I got from the summaries and analyses is that he consistently said, "this is MY impression, and my reality." There actually is no fault with that. His experience of Michael was unique, to HIM.

There are things I wish he'd done differently. I do think that discussions of the biological parentage of Michael's children should remain private. Those ARE his children, regardless of how they were conceived. I also wish he'd been better at fielding questions from interviewers, who have their own agendas. That is NOT easy. . . . when on the spot.

Frank was very young when most of the events in the book occurred. That is to be forgiven, as his "impressions."

So, yes, Frank deserves the opportunity for his impressions to be heard. I just hope it gives him some sort of closure, in his life?
 
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Re: Frank Cascio "My Friend Michael" book release date Nov 15 ,2011 / Excerpt posted at @pg151

I just want to make this clear if anyone is feeling this way.. I in no way am against anyone that does not want to read the book.. that in my opinion is a choice that I respect obvious reasons.. and some of those reasons have been stated by many of you here. I personally just dont want fans that want to read the book to feel outcasted or like they are not a true fan if they want to read or dare I say support the book.. we all are going to have different views and I don't think any of us here have bad intentions and ill thought towards Michael... the way going about things and what is believed will differ between everyone. We all have to come to agreement of that.. that some will have different thoughts and we can still be under ONE embrella of fandome of Michael..

Over the years I have come to feel that the MJ fandom is in a way an extended family and just get saddened when I see so much back and forth pointing of fingers.. If you notice even when I talk about things I dont appreciate on how fans can act I NEVER exclude myself in attempt for people not to feel attacked.. even when I say things about fans that I dont agree with I still state "we", meaning WE as a whole are a representitive of ONE group even if I personally did not do or say something.. If one person says something we represent all of us in a way.. I'll never exclude myself from that fan group with both positive and negitive comments..

Some are going to support the book and some are not.. I personally have reasons to read the book, and i got more out of the book than I thought before reading it... There are a few things that I don't agree that he should have included in the book like what he stated in the book, but if I take it as a whole its an educational book.. And I dont feel like I am in position to point the finger too harshly at what he said because I've never been where hes been and whitnessed what he did.. as MJ would state about himself I've never walked in his shoes.. and he knows Michael aloooot better than I do

Maybe its my envious nature for Frank to have been in the situation he was in to know Michael the way he did that made me read it.. But I can say that I do feel like I know Michael more after reading it.. and thats more than I can say from most other books written about MJ.. its not a biography which is a totally different take on an MJ book than most, and its personal whitnesses.. Not some ""specialist""
 
Re: Frank Cascio "My Friend Michael" book release date Nov 15 ,2011 / Excerpt posted at @pg151

Korgnex is also reading it. and please consider doing summaries for us all.
I might have to hold off until after Christmas, depending on finances and time...so whoever gets to it first, sure! I also can't just march myself into a bookstore in Germany unfortunately and have to order through bookdepository.com, but that is definitely a book that I am approaching with no expectation whatsoever. (because I can't fathom it somehow- not to mention the decidedly "different" vibe you're bound to get from a language other then English)
 
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I think you are missing the point. Pace was saying if people have issues with Frank revealing private information , you should also have a problem with moody revealing private information / communications as well.

for example just a few days ago you asked me if I was joking when I said Michael probably didn't want his relationships public but I didn't see any harm in that. If to you revealing Michael's romances was unacceptable, moody revealing Michael had a special someone in his life should be unacceptable as well.

It's not about a book, Frank or anyone else, it's about privacy concerns.

if you are okay with moody but not frank - it's either hypocrisy or your issue isn't the revealing of private information but it's something else.

Just plain hypocrisy :mello:
 
Re: Frank Cascio "My Friend Michael" book release date Nov 15 ,2011 / Excerpt posted at @pg151

I didnt even know what the exact definition of hypocrisy was. I had to look it up.
 
Re: Frank Cascio "My Friend Michael" book release date Nov 15 ,2011 / Excerpt posted at @pg151

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I think you are missing the point. Pace was saying if people have issues with Frank revealing private information , you should also have a problem with moody revealing private information / communications as well.

for example just a few days ago you asked me if I was joking when I said Michael probably didn't want his relationships public but I didn't see any harm in that. If to you revealing Michael's romances was unacceptable, moody revealing Michael had a special someone in his life should be unacceptable as well.

It's not about a book, Frank or anyone else, it's about privacy concerns.

if you are okay with moody but not frank - it's either hypocrisy or your issue isn't the revealing of private information but it's something else.

How is that hypocrisy?

Unlike you guys, i don't see anyone getting excited by Moody's revelations as you guys were with Frank's. I think some fans have an obsession to know more about MJ's personal life than others. I, for one, do not care one bit.

MJ gave us what he wanted to, and kept the rest for his "friends", kids & himself. No one enjoys having strangers or even family, poke in their private matters. I don't. You probably don't. And I respect that very much about him.

The hypocrisy that I have been calling out on this very forum, are those screaming "burn all tabloids", "kids are off limit", "MJ was haunted by media", "**** the press, MJ is the best" ...but will go around buying them to read about his personal biz. That is the ver definition of hypocrisy. That's the hypocrisy i have been referring to since the book was announced. I have not purchased a single book that promised to lift the veil on his private life...And I never will. Taraborelli's is the only MJ tell all I've read, but I was quite young then, and didn't know of MJ's tenuous relationship with the media.

And Moody's post proved another point. When you open a can of worms, more than anticipated will eventually come out. Some people will feel the need to challenge or prove him wrong, and they will come out with their own stories, to prove it. That's why it is best not to open the darn can.

And I am sure other people who knew MJ are questioning Frank's stories (i personally know of one person who is not on this board)....but not all people will take the bait and challenge him, to avoid bringing more attention to his crap. I can't fault them.

And to Moody's credit, he wasn't comfortable coming out, as he didn't want to fan the flame.


I didnt even know what the exact definition of hypocrisy was. I had to look it up.

lol... and we've been using this word for a while here.


Yep paternity & maternity mean the same thing

They do to me too. I mean, owe are still talking 23 chromosomes. right?

Ivy, we knew about Debbie. The fact that some choose to define her as a surrogate is not like disputing her maternity.



 
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Re: Frank Cascio "My Friend Michael" book release date Nov 15 ,2011 / Excerpt posted at @pg151

Paternity. Maternity.

Is there really a difference? WE've been told the kids were off limit. Personal and paparazzi pictures cannot be posted here, yet discussions about their DNA is permitted..


Yep paternity & maternity mean the same thing
 
Re: Frank Cascio "My Friend Michael" book release date Nov 15 ,2011 / Excerpt posted at @pg151

Sorry if this was already discussed but I'm confused about something. Did Michael go to rehab in the 90's or not? Frank says Michael going to rehab was just a ploy to get him out of being arrested for molestation in what was to be his next tour stop in Puerto Rico which is American soil. So he was placed in a rehab facility in London. So Michael was never actually treated for an addiction in a rehab facility? How could he spend so much time in a rehab facility without having an addiction to treat? Frank and his brother even spent time with MJ in the rehab place. I don't get it.

Edit: Oh and please don't tell me things like, this is one of Frank's lies and this is why you're not buying the book. I just want to DISCUSS the book (truths/non-truths) without being preached to.

Thank you.
 
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^ Frank Cascio usually give two version of the stories in his book, a tabloid version is usually what he claimed "Michael told him so"(while MJ cannot confirm he did or not.) didn't Liz say she was the one sent MJ to rehab because she saw the sign of drug dependency and knew MJ needed help.
 
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I thought it was confirmed that he did, but tabloids back then were calling it a ploy. Frank is doing the same thing now - is he honest?
 
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I find it hard to believe that Michael would appear on national television admitting his addiction to pain medication while lying about it the entire time. He seemed so sincere in that video tape.

And what legitimate rehab facility would admit someone under false pretenses, merely to hide them from being arrested?
 
Re: Frank Cascio "My Friend Michael" book release date Nov 15 ,2011 / Excerpt posted at @pg151

Sorry if this was already discussed but I'm confused about something. Did Michael go to rehab in the 90's or not? Frank says Michael going to rehab was just a ploy to get him out of being arrested for molestation in what was to be his next tour stop in Puerto Rico which is American soil. So he was placed in a rehab facility in London. So Michael was never actually treated for an addiction in a rehab facility? How could he spend so much time in a rehab facility without having an addiction to treat? Frank and his brother even spent time with MJ in the rehab place. I don't get it.

Edit: Oh and please don't tell me things like, this is one of Frank's lies and this is why you're not buying the book. I just want to DISCUSS the book (truths/non-truths) without being preached to.

Thank you.

According to Frank, it was Michael who told him that the cancellation of the Dangerous tour was not due to his drug dependency issue. By saying Michael had prescription drugs dependency and needed to enter into a rehab, the cost of tour cancellation could be covered by insurance becasue of Michael's ill heath. Michael also expressed his concern about coming back to the U.S. in the midst of the allegations.

To be honest with you, I don't know how truthful the above explanation is. It's not necessary that Frank lied. He said the explanation was given to him by Michael. May be something was lost in translation. May be Frank didn't grasp the whole story. Who knows?

Michael did go to a rehab in England. According to Frank, Michael didn't like the first one he admitted in. Michael felt like he's in a mental institution. Then, Elton John got involved and transfered him to another facility. Michael liked the new environment, was able to relax and invited the Cascios to visit him.
 
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Frank says Michael going to rehab was just a ploy to get him out of being arrested for molestation in what was to be his next tour stop in Puerto Rico which is American soil.

Michael went to rehab because he had a problem, it wasn't a ploy...He even says he had a problem in the '93 message from Neverland..So I don't buy that one bit, that kinda sounds tabloidy to me to be honest. o_O

Did Frank just state this as his assessment or did he say Michael told him it was a ploy?
 
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I want to make it clear that it's NOT Frank who said entering into a rehab was a ploy to get out of Dangerous. He said it's an explanation given to him by Michael. I can't tell whether Frank lied or not. I mean who knows? May be Michael thought his issue wasn't serious enough for him to terminate the tour. May be it really was his management's idea. May be Frank got it all wrong.

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After reading the book, I really can't see Frank as a backstabber or a former friend who will sell out Michael for money. Frank knew Michael since he's 4 yeas old. Michael helped raising him. Fast forward to 2003, Frank was named one of the un-indicted co-conspirators, his fate was tied to Michael. He could have really sold Michael out back then to earn a free safe pass from Tom Sneddon. We may see Michael as the only victim. But, in fact, Frank was a victim too. All of a sudden, his face was on TV and was being described as a despicable pimp who helped his evil boss to get children to satisfy his perverted needs. Can you imagine the stress he had to go through as well?
 
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I want to make it clear that it's NOT Frank who said entering into a rehab was a ploy to get out of Dangerous. He said it's an explanation given to him by Michael. I can't tell whether Frank lied or not. I mean who knows? May be Michael thought his issue wasn't serious enough for him to terminate the tour. May be it really was his management's idea. May be Frank got it all wrong.

in this post is seems as Frank is being defended and Michael is the one being thrown under the bus. HOW do WE KNOW that is what Michael TOLD Frank? Because Frank says so? This is what I mean about this book ..people are taking Frank's words as law. Not me...if Michael didn't tell it...WHY should I believe Frank...even if he had good intentions.

edited to add..I did see in your post where you DID say WHO KNOWS? I agree we dont know, therefore I personally cannot take Frank's word. Why would I. Just saying,
 
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Michael went to rehab because he had a problem, it wasn't a ploy...He even says he had a problem in the '93 message from Neverland..So I don't buy that one bit, that kinda sounds tabloidy to me to be honest. o_O

Did Frank just state this as his assessment or did he say Michael told him it was a ploy?

Correct me if I am wrong, I don't want to mis inform people.

Base on what Frank said. Liz came to Mexico city and told them MJ had problem and need help. After the concert, Liz took MJ to UK. Frank and Eddie accompanied MJ to the airport and said goodbye to him. MJ was sent to rehab. Few years later "MJ told him" that his advisers want to avoid him being arrested if he stepped on US soil. His advisers think the addiction things is the only way to get insurance coverage. So ya, basically he said MJ told him this story. Frank didn't say it's a ploy. He just said it's the explanation MJ gave to him about the rehab.

If we assume Frank is telling the truth, it might be MJ didn't want them to think he had addiction problem. Who knows.
 
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Correct me if I am wrong, I don't want to mis inform people.

Base on what Frank said. Liz came to Mexico city and told them MJ had problem and need help. After the concert, Liz took MJ to UK. Frank and Eddie accompanied MJ to the airport and said goodbye to him. MJ was sent to rehab. Few years later "MJ told him" that his advisers want to avoid him being arrested if he stepped on US soil. His advisers think the addiction things is the only way to get insurance coverage. So ya, basically he said MJ told him this story. Frank didn't say it's a ploy. He just said it's the explanation MJ gave to him about the rehab.

If we assume Frank is telling the truth, it might be MJ didn't want them to think he had addiction problem. Who knows.

Oh ok, I was just going based on what suzynyc said...I was worried that Frank was implying he never went to rehab and it was an 'excuse' to get out of being arrested or something..

Thanks for clearing it up.
 
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I thought it was confirmed that he did, but tabloids back then were calling it a ploy. Frank is doing the same thing now - is he honest?

Frank is not doing the same thing calling it a ploy. Frank didn't said it's a ploy. He just said MJ gave this explanation to him about the rehab incident. As for is he honest about this? I don't know. Only MJ and Frank knew whether MJ did told him in this way.
 
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memefan - this is question that in no way should be taken in offense!!

But would it be safe to say if you are not interested to know about aspects of Michaels life that he wanted to be kept out than you (and others that share that thought) did not pay attention to the 2005 case against Michael knowing that aspects of his life that he did not want public were being brought foward. Michael would have never wanted the world to know that he had pornographic magazines, his financial records were to be showcased etc.. And of course did not watch the trial against conrad murray for simular reasons..?

Because it would be hyprocitical to say that someone is not interested in aspects of Michaels life but knowingly paid close attention to things that would specifically and somewhat designed to make him look bad.


I guess this question can go towards not just memfan, but anyone that feels they don't care to know about aspects of MJ's life that MJ wanted out..
 
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