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why i got the feeling that some comments here(some) are happy that Max Jax is closed???
 
JohnC said:
Interesting how Gaz complained about threads on Max-Jax slandering MJJC, yet, that seems to be exactly what's going on here...

None the less, Max-Jax was a great forum even after MJ's passing. Full of great information and various resources regarding pretty much anything you need to know about MJ. The discussions are far more analyzed and in-depth compared to any other forum I've seen.

The only real problem was the attitude of particular founders. And the mass-banning of the most active members on that site. Easily fixable situation...
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Uhm, to me, that's a pretty big problem. Definitely not easily fixable. You can't insult and get rid of the members who basically keep the forum running, content wise. It's not how you run any successful business. There was a lot, and I mean a lot, of corruption going on there towards Michael most of all, and the very members that gave it substance and essentially kept the place going. Not an easily fixable situation.

MJelboo said:
I'm glad it's gone. That place was doomed. Bad management, internal and external disputes and power abuse. It was doomed ever since the banning of a large group of members; after that, the forum was ruled with an iron fist and only one opinion was allowed: Michael was a greedy, asexual, hypocritical and psychologically underdeveloped capitalist.
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Exactly.
You can't treat people as bad as many there did (a few became more than bullies!) and get away with it. It's sad.
 
tidus72000 said:
why i got the feeling that some comments here(some) are happy that Max Jax is closed???
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Probably because of the injustice that has been done to some. But again, the forum itself isn't to be blamed, but the people who were behind that injustice and who took the advantage of the power on that forum.
 
I was a member on the forum, but only active for a short period. My vists became less, as I started coming here more often and was not there to see the degeneration. What was shocking was the lack of interest in the trial during Oct/Nov 2011.

Looking back, Michael was often psychoanalysed and the conclusions weren't too great, but I let it slide back then, because there were fun and interesting discussions too to balance the negative. Those threads were where I spent most of my time...
 
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Probably because of the injustice that has been done to some. But again, the forum itself isn't to be blamed, but the people who were behind that injustice and who took the advantage of the power on that forum.
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I know,i have witnessed some of the banning just like what happened to you....but do you think closing the forum down is the ultimate solution???! i don't think so at all.....any problem can be solved but skipping it isn't the solution...also,we(members of Max Jax) knew of the whole situation too late....the domain owner(smooth-c) make the announcement too late which is wrong,he should have put the announcement right away he closed it and not 4 days after closing down the forum....
 
Gaz said:
its clear max is your preferred site and you will defend them.
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Very untrue.

Gaz said:
I am not for one minute going to try and sell MJJC over max to you.
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You don't have to. You could judge just on how much stuff I've posted in 2000 Watts that the site has already been 'sold' to me.
 
tidus72000 said:
I know,i have witnessed some of the banning just like what happened to you....but do you think closing the forum down is the ultimate solution???! i don't think so at all.....any problem can be solved but skipping it isn't the solution...also,we(members of Max Jax) knew of the whole situation too late....the domain owner(smooth-c) make the announcement too late which is wrong,he should have put the announcement right away he closed it and not 4 days after closing down the forum....
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How do you solve a problem with someone who ignores what you have to say and hammers you with "I'm right, you're stupid"?
The forum is closed, but it doesn't mean it's too late to re-ignite it with another staff.

Greg was right to cease all activity until the agreement is reached. But maintaining a forum with current policy would lead to even more damage. You just can't run a MJ forum without MJ fans, ban them and disrespect not onlt the fans, but also Michael Jackson and other MJ forums.
 
I remember when PG closed the amazing technical post of Geso without explanation.

Geso did an amazing work that doesn't deserves that solution.

I am sorry if i crossed the limits with other members or mods but sometimes i felt the amonestations or disrespect with my coments were not fair.
 
When I joined MaxJax I did it because it seemed like a friendly place. It didn't take long to experience the disdain and arrogance of *** and ***. For that reason, I am not sorry to see it close. I, for one, am not interested in what PG might have to say, based on what I have seen so far in this thread. I just hope that the vitriol does not spill over to MJJC.
However reading some of the recent posts, I worry that we might become embroiled in something nasty. I don't want anyone involving MJJC or complaining about Gaz when this is an issue about the what and why of MaxJax. In short, I don't want to see MJJC become a battleground for MaxJax...
We've had enough stress and turmoil here in the last year.
 
cinzia said:
When I joined MaxJax I did it because it seemed like a friendly place. It didn't take long to experience the disdain and arrogance of PG and KQ. For that reason, I am not sorry to see it close. I, for one, am not interested in what PG might have to say, based on what I have seen so far in this thread. I just hope that the vitriol does not spill over to MJJC.
However reading some of the recent posts, I worry that we might become embroiled in something nasty. I don't want anyone involving MJJC or complaining about Gaz when this is an issue about the what and why of MaxJax. In short, I don't want to see MJJC become a battleground for MaxJax...
We've had enough stress and turmoil here in the last year.
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We are all humans, we all make mistakes. The staff also make mistakes on this forum too, like all of us members. But I honestly have never witnessed such a disdain, arrogance and insulting as what I saw on Max-Jax by some of those who were supposed to moderate the forum.
 
I'm going to throw my two cents in here...

I was a registered member of MaxJax, but I didn't visit as often. This is my "home" MJ site, but from time to time I like to pop in on other forums to see different perspectives on MJ news and topics. I can't comment on these bannings since I don't know the whole story. I will say however, that at times I read posts about Michael and his perceived ways that were quite negative and off-putting. I didn't like the vibe I was getting from those kinds of posts. In reading this thread, I see many others felt the same way and so I feel better knowing that it was not just a case of me overreacting.

It is a shame that it has come down to the site closing. I imagine that many of the MaxJax members feel as if they have had a rug yanked out from under them.
 
JohnC said:
The only real problem was the attitude of particular founders. And the mass-banning of the most active members on that site. Easily fixable situation...
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But apparently it wasn't so easily fixable situation because those particular founders, we all know who they are, had been going on this power trip as somebody else called it here since MJ's death and nobody could do anything. I had seen members asking them, begging them to tone down it down a bit and the answer that they would get was banning or insulting them or going on regurgitating the same opinion over and over again.

I was visiting that forum for a long time because of the information people, members, would post or because of the interesting debate on MJ's music but the last two years it had became difficult to follow that site. You couldn't visit a thread without some of the owners derailing the thread by calling MJ a drug addict, someone who caused his own death, a bad father, a liar, a cry baby who was faking diseases,a simbol of capitalism and shit like that.

And God forbit membesr made the mistake to say something over possitive about MJ or dispute the opinion of a founder. Those member got roasted with some of the founder reaching as far as ridiculing them. For a forum that claimed that was the most objective and liberal it sure didn't act this way. How you can claim to be such when you don't permit members to exress different opinions or ban them if their opinion didn't satisfied the owners point of view on the matter? How to do claim to be such when you insult people for daring to think differently?

Yes, MaxJax was a good site to discus about MJ music but it became insupportable to discuss anything MJ the last few years. Apparently they went from remeber MJ with objectivity, respect and love, as the site claimed, to remember MJ with cynicism, pretentiousness and some time malice. And i'm not saying that everybody should blindly worship everything that MJ did,overlook his misteps or fault and not talk about his mistakes when the situation requires it . But from that to only talk about his mistakes and how full of flaws he was is mindblowing.

Closing, MaxJax should come back, it was a priceless source of information conserning Mike's music. But if it does, some of the people there should really consider the fact of being owners or founders again. For their own good and physical health, for the members of the forum good and for MJ's legacy good. After all we go on forums for him and if it wasn't for him, the man that some of them have trushed and disrespected in the most sad way the last couple of years, no one would even cared of them or their opinion.
 
^The thing I still can't get over is one member saying something along the lines of Michael being a liar that should be shamed because he didn't tell his fans about his "Propofol Addiction." That was the last straw for me.
The word "fan" in "fan forum" was gone.

I have to say, I do want to move on towards something positive but it is nice to finally be able to talk about this and share it with people. The injustice has to stop, for past members but especially for why we're all here, which is Michael.

And I really do hope Greg can rebuild MaxJax or whatever it might be called because pre 2010, it was such a wonderful beautiful place that brought me to many of my best friends today. I will be rooting for Greg 100%
 
TarinJade said:
I'm going to throw my two cents in here...

I was a registered member of MaxJax, but I didn't visit as often. This is my "home" MJ site, but from time to time I like to pop in on other forums to see different perspectives on MJ news and topics. I can't comment on these bannings since I don't know the whole story. I will say however, that at times I read posts about Michael and his perceived ways that were quite negative and off-putting. I didn't like the vibe I was getting from those kinds of posts. In reading this thread, I see many others felt the same way and so I feel better knowing that it was not just a case of me overreacting.

It is a shame that it has come down to the site closing. I imagine that many of the MaxJax members feel as if they have had a rug yanked out from under them.
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I've not seen those posts, because I mainly stayed in the Cascio-related threads.

I personally don't have problems with controversial topics and don't like censorship. However, after 2 1/2 yrs after Michael's death, me personally....don't have to read or discuss about these things anymore. Been there, done that enough...wanted to understand him. And with all I (think I) know about him now, I only love him more, not less. There is no use in repeating his maybe not so fine moments over and over again for me anymore. After more than two years, I've closed that chapter and only want to honour (which I've always done) and celebrate him.

But, if others feel differently and still feel the need to talk about that: no problem. But do it with respect to Michael and towards eachother.
 
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qbee;3589077 said:
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Your post is off topic :D


p.s. your poke has moved to my post, look:

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I agree with most sentiments posted here. MaxJax was an amazing place in its prime. Openminded discussion, with intelligent arguments and appreciation for Michael's art and talent. But recently all that had gone down the drain, and a small group of individuals started pushing their cynical and negative opinion of Michael on others. Sadly, that group included founders who were not afraid to use their power to push this opinion. I was banned in the wake of the Cascio discussions, and after that I saw discussion on art and legacy dying down and controversy reigning supreme. I miss the old Max Jax and I wish it could come back, after some founders do some SERIOUS soul-searching.
 
qbee said:
Please dont bring my toast into the discussion :girl_mad:
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With toast like this, you can go off topic anytime...

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MJelboo said:
I agree with most sentiments posted here. MaxJax was an amazing place in its prime. Openminded discussion, with intelligent arguments and appreciation for Michael's art and talent. But recently all that had gone down the drain, and a small group of individuals started pushing their cynical and negative opinion of Michael on others. Sadly, that group included founders who were not afraid to use their power to push this opinion. I was banned in the wake of the Cascio discussions, and after that I saw discussion on art and legacy dying down and controversy reigning supreme. I miss the old Max Jax and I wish it could come back, after some founders do some SERIOUS soul-searching.
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As Sun Tzu would say:

Confront them with annihilation, and they will then survive; plunge them into a deadly situation, and they will then live. When people fall into danger, they are then able to strive for victory.
 
Not long ago I posted a topic on Max called " How Max Jax is treating Michael Jackson " and I started a conversation just like this one. I got few responses from PG and KQ , I must say they were not rude ..but yet very patronizing . I don"t like that attitude. Because someone is the owner of a forum does not make that person a God. There were so many topix I joined , but I was ridiculed by some members. I had a sentence " I am here to serve my Master " under my signature-picture and a certain female member called me pathetic , delusional and problematic ! Dear Lord....it was just a signature !
When we talked about Michael"s love life - oh , that was hillarious.
And I can tell you one thing , many members agreed with me about some thoughts but they were afraid to give me " thanks" , because of the whole atmosfere there.
Like I said....I know that we don"t see and love Michael the same way. But calling someone delusional because a person sees Michael as a sexy man is crazy. Not to mention " drugg adiction and parenting ." Those are very seious issues and should not be taking lightly.
 
The Healer said:
Not long ago I posted a topic on Max called " How Max Jax is treating Michael Jackson " and I started a conversation just like this one. I got few responses from PG and KQ , I must say they were not rude ..but yet very patronizing . I don"t like that attitude. Because someone is the owner of a forum does not make that person a God. There were so many topix I joined , but I was ridiculed by some members. I had a sentence " I am here to serve my Master " under my signature-picture and a certain female member called me pathetic , delusional and problematic ! Dear Lord....it was just a signature !
When we talked about Michael"s love life - oh , that was hillarious.
And I can tell you one thing , many members agreed with me about some thoughts but they were afraid to give me " thanks" , because of the whole atmosfere there.
Like I said....I know that we don"t see and love Michael the same way. But calling someone delusional because a person sees Michael as a sexy man is crazy. Not to mention " drugg adiction and parenting ." Those are very seious issues and should not be taking lightly.
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Nek samo dodje i odgovori ako smije... ;-)
 
first time i seeing this news and reading about what went on. i visted maxjax when it was first set up as i met greg a few times on mj trips and crashed with him and others at houses etc. from my experiences hes a lovely guy who only had mjs best intrest at heart. as i said i havnt visited maxjax for many years so had no idea about what was going on there and the disrepect that was being shown to michael. so because of that i whole heartedly support greg in taking the site down. from what ive read on here it seems like the site turned into nothing more than something that is run by haters. ppl who are uneducated on the facts of mjs life and trial and on a personal level may like the music but hate him as a person. the info posted about the lack of intrest about the trial and the outright lies posted about mj by obviously uneducated "fans" shows that.maybe such posters were all post june 09 fans i dont know but it saddens me that ppl who claim to be mj fans can be so uneducated on the facts and act no better than the brainwashed masses but as i said i doubt their fandom anyway because of the ignorant and down right bizarre comments posted (capitalisim anyone?? how bizarre is that.).

it reminds me of the old yahoo boards (think it was them) what were nothing more than hate fests. the ppl who turned a fan board into that should be ashamed of themselves but tbh from what ive read on here i doubt those ppl are fans anyway and have ulterior motives for the agenda they are pushing as there is no excuse for an uneducated and ignorant mj fan inregards to the trial etc unless of course as i said u have ulterior motives in the first place

so i support and thank greg for taking down somewhere that seems to be full of hate towards mj and that would only hurt him and his legacy which is even worse when it is on a "fan" site and somewhere the gen public might come across
 
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^^^ I wouldnt call the founders haters that didnt like or even love MJ. Or people who were not educated about MJ life and trials. Its just they had a more critical skewed view that threw shade over the all the beautiful positive things fans loved about Michael. It evident at times they were very disrespectful to MJ and or their members. Myself Im not sure why they became that way or what they were thinking. But it was not hate for Michael I can assure you that.

Maybe more of a power trip or indifference becuase he was no longer here or they wanted to appear as experts on what they felt made him tick and other opinions were not considered valid. One thing is eveident by the posts here and Greg's statement is that the main Vision of that board was no longer about supporting and lifting up Michael Jackson or his fans who posted their.

Hey I hope they get it together and learn from their mistakes and start anew. It will take time to overcome the reputation they have made for themselves but every one is allowed a 2nd chance. They havent made a peep here. So Im not sure what their feelings are or if they even excepted accountability for thier actions .. maybe they still feel what they did on max-jax was justified.
 
i dont know who was posting the comments about mj. im just commenting on what was posted on here. if the founders were posting comments calling mj an addict and a bad father etc etc. then they should be ashamed of themselves and yes i doubt their true fandom for michael the human being and there is no excuse for such ignorance and outright lies.. and sorry but on a personal level i would expect such comments to come from haters. and if those comments are coming from fans who founded the site then to me they are even worse than haters.. they obviously seem to be taking out the homicide that was committed on michael and the anger that created and are throwing it back on michael. what sort of fan does that. i guess if they were newer fans like greg was when he first set up the site i guess they are upset with mj and are blaming him cause they missed out on all the previous years. as they seem very bitter towards mj . it angers me that there is such opinion about mj in the gen public. but it sickens me that some who claim to be fans carry that opinion aswell

but sorry there is no excuse for such words from such ppl. and im glad the site was taken down so their comments could not be spread to the many uneducated ppl in the gen public and fans
 
I was active on MaxJax for a while. I liked the in-depth discussions on Michael's music. In all fairness, many posts there including the one by PG are informative and interesting. At one point, I found MaxJax complimentary to MJJC - two different forums with different vibes. Going to different forums enable fans to get different experience, which I perceive as beneficial to the fan community. Some moderators, like krystikel (Hi, hope you are having a great time in LA,) are friendly and fair.

However, I did notice the problems stated by people here. The demise of MaxJax is largely due to some founders' condescending attitude and intolerance of different opinions. Also, the disrespect shown to Michael, the man we all love and honor, in the name of objectivity is appalling. In my opinion, it's sad to see the forum came to an end because of a few people's behaviors. Many people, including MaxJax's members, moderators and founders, made substantial contributions to MaxJax. Some posts were absolutely brilliant. It's regretful to see all of the years' works go down to the drains.

I hope MJJC would see the closing of MaxJax as a lesson to learn from. It takes tremendous amount of efforts to build and maintain a fan community. As a fan, I wish all respectfully run fan boards keep on thriving.
 
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