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BAD25 - The Announcement We Have All Been Waiting For [General Discussion]

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IMWhizzle said:
Maybe when the original film surfaces they can release the bad tour on blu.

But I think the estate wants so see whether its worthwhile or not. That depends on the sales of this 'VHS' version. Still, I am very thankful and excited. The audio will be crystal clear, VHS or not, they are using the multitracks.
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They can definitely release Blu-ray version of Bad Tour when the original film surfaces. The question is not whether they can or they can't, but whether they will or won't.

If the sales of Bad 25 shoots through the roof, it'll definitely give Sony and the Estate more incentive to work on Dangerous 25 and HIStory 25. The question is will Sony spend money on a duplicate project, namely Bad Tour Blu-ray. Sony does not exist to please fans. Of course, fans will flock to buy Bad Blu-ray any time. The general public probably won't spend money on another Bad concert. Say, you are a causual fan of another artist and just bought one of his tour DVD, say the Blu-ray version of the same tour is released two years from now. Will you buy the Blu-ray or settle with the DVD you have already owned? That's why I said Sony and the Estate have this one chance to do it right. We probably won't see another Bad releated project any time soon.
 
love is magical said:
They can definitely release Blu-ray version of Bad Tour when the original film surfaces. The question is not whether they can or they can't, but whether they will or won't.

If the sales of Bad 25 shoots through the roof, it'll definitely give Sony and the Estate more incentive to work on Dangerous 25 and HIStory 25. The question is will Sony spend money on a duplicate project, namely Bad Tour Blu-ray. Sony does not exist to please fans. Of course, fans will flock to buy Bad Blu-ray any time. The general public probably won't spend money on another Bad concert. Say, you are a causual fan of another artist and just bought one of his tour DVD, say the Blu-ray version of the same tour is released two years from now. Will you buy the Blu-ray or settle with the DVD you have already owned? That's why I said Sony and the Estate have this one chance to do it right. We probably won't see another Bad releated project any time soon.
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I don't agree. Phil Collins did a show in France back in 2004. That show was released only on DVD. Last month they've released the Bluray of this show.

It's a succes all over again.

;)
 
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love is magical said:
They can definitely release Blu-ray version of Bad Tour when the original film surfaces. The question is not whether they can or they can't, but whether they will or won't.

If the sales of Bad 25 shoots through the roof, it'll definitely give Sony and the Estate more incentive to work on Dangerous 25 and HIStory 25. The question is will Sony spend money on a duplicate project, namely Bad Tour Blu-ray. Sony does not exist to please fans. Of course, fans will flock to buy Bad Blu-ray any time. The general public probably won't spend money on another Bad concert. Say, you are a causual fan of another artist and just bought one of his tour DVD, say the Blu-ray version of the same tour is released two years from now. Will you buy the Blu-ray or settle with the DVD you have already owned? That's why I said Sony and the Estate have this one chance to do it right. We probably won't see another Bad releated project any time soon.
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Well, the fact it's BLU-RAY IMO speak for itself. Maybe would buy that, even non-fans.

We Will Rock You is a concert film by English band Queen. It was filmed in Montreal, Quebec, Canada at the Montreal Forum on November 24 and 25, 1981.

A new official release of the concert (Retitled Queen Rock Montreal) digitally remastered by Queen was released on October 29, 2007 on DVD (by Eaglevision) double CD (by Hollywood Records for the U.S. and Canada and by Parlophone Records for Europe and EMI for the rest of the world) and triple vinyl LP.

A special double DVD ('Queen Rock Montreal & Live Aid') included Queen's performance at Live Aid as well as never before seen interviews and rehearsal footage. It is unclear if the royalties from the Live Aid section went to charity.[SUP][/SUP] HD-DVD and Blu-Ray versions were released on December 4, 2007.
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Well, in this case BR was released a bit later. Dunno if they were announced together or not. I've no information about that stuff :p Maybe TNA knows. But yeah, this has no point anyway, I'm just sayin'. Queen fans are bit luckier :p
 
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IMWhizzle said:
I don't agree. Phil Collins did a show in France back in 2004. That show was released only on DVD. Last month they've released the Bluray of this show.

It's a succes all over again.

;)
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May I ask when was that DVD last released? Last year? Or in mid-2000's?

MJJLatvia said:
Well, the fact it's BLU-RAY IMO speak for itself. Maybe would buy that, even non-fans.



Well, in this case BR was released a bit later. Dunno if they were announced together or not. I've no information about that stuff :p Maybe TNA knows. But yeah, this has no point anyway, I'm just sayin'. Queen fans are bit luckier :p
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That was the Queen Blu-ray I talked about. It really is AMAZING!!!

Based on the info you posted, the DVD and Blu-ray were bascially released together, just a few months apart. So, it seems like they were from the same release.

My point is that how many people would spend money to upgrade their entire DVD collection to Blu-ray? I know I only upgraded the one I absolutely like. For most, I settle with my existing DVD's. DVD's aren't unwatchable at all. I'm sure many people have the same mentality. So, I don't bet on Sony releasing Bad Blu-ray in the near future (within five years) if the original film surfaces, as the market has already been satuated by the previous DVD release.
 
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Arklove said:
Ok, so 'address it over time'...I'm just curious how they're going to address it...Because if this VHS copy is all they have, wouldn't they just say that as a definite when you asked them? Maybe they DO have access to something else, or POSSIBLY could have access to something else?
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well, when I sent the email I asked for still shots from DVD to be able to judge the quality.

So to me that reply that means release of examples, snippets and so on. There's 4 months to the release date of the DVD which means it won't probably happen overnight.

The quality might be okay and we might be worrying for nothing. They can simply demonstrate this by releasing samples, pictures, snippets - over the upcoming 4 month period. Or the quality improvement might be limited due to source, they can again explain it. Perhaps it's still being worked on. Who knows?

I think we'll get more information in the upcoming months.
 
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felipemj said:
you are all repeating the unconfirmed information that the concert was shot on film, which began because the Man In The Mirror scene from Moonwalker. I don't think more than that song was shot. That would be a huge and unecessary spent of money
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love is magical said:
Bad Tour was not an one-off concert. It's a concert series that spread two years. At that time, the highest grossing concert series. So, shooting may be just a few concerts on film was considered "huge and unecessary spent of money"? And, shooting the concert on film wasn't even such an novel concept even in 1987. Again, Queen's concert took place in 1981. So, they were so desperate to save money and decided to only shoot MITM on film and the vast majority of the concert in a more cost-effective way? Possible. But, it really would be such a waste.
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It appears that MITM was shot for the sole purpose of Moonwalker. It was obviously shot over the course of several (or at least 2) shows. And also shooting the crowds earlier in the day, as there are parts that take place in day light.

With that said, I RLY don't think it would have been a waste of money to film this show 1 or a few times for a possible future release (at the time, anyway).

I'm sure there's more on film around...

dmehta said:
Ofcourse the Bad Tour was shot on film! Whatever was shown on the JumboTrons at each concert would have been saved to film. However, there is a difference between the extent of filming that goes on at every gig (where the action is shown on a big screen in the stadium/arena) and the extent of filming that goes on when a concert is intended to be released commercially. For a gig, where the intended use of filming is limited to showing close ups on the screens so that the crowd can see what's going on, only 3 or 4 cameras on or around the stage are used. When an artist intends to release the gig as a DVD/VHS it will almost always be professionally filmed with MULTIPLE camera angles all around the stadium. From what it sounds like in the Bad 25 press release, the 16th July concert was probably not intended for commercial release at the time, so the film is limited to what was shown on the JumboTrons that day - rather than the multiple camera angles you find for gigs such as Bucharest '92 or Munich '97.

The question then is - who has access to the negatives of all of those concerts during the Bad Tour? If the Estate only have access to an old VHS tape, then it suggests that they don't have the rights to the original film, they don't know where the original film is and who has possession of it, or they've been damaged/destroyed. Or maybe they have access to the original film for SOME of the Bad Tour concerts, but not all of them (including the 16th July Wembley gig).
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Not necessarily. The jumbotron video feeds could have simply been recorded to a tape for prosperity/archive/TV promo purposes.

Yokohama, which obviously filmed with the intent to broadcast live on TV, looks like it was shot on tape (but it could just seem that way because the final product was tape based).
 
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film costs a lot, so more than likely they filmed just what they needed and nothing else. Especially since the shots for moonwalker were planned out.
 
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Yeah, thats true. But that's why if they did use film, they would have done it for 1 or a handful of shows.

Or at the least do what they did for Yokohama and get more cameras and crew.
 
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love is magical said:
So, I don't bet on Sony releasing Bad Blu-ray in the near future (within five years) if the original film surfaces, as the market has already been satuated by the previous DVD release.
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I'll be old already :p But I guess it's worth the wait to experience Mike in HD.
 
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ivy said:
well, when I sent the email I asked for still shots from DVD to be able to judge the quality.

So to me that reply that means release of examples, snippets and so on. There's 4 months to the release date of the DVD which means it won't probably happen overnight.

The quality might be okay and we might be worrying for nothing. They can simply demonstrate this by releasing samples, pictures, snippets - over the upcoming 4 month period. Or the quality improvement might be limited due to source, they can again explain it. Perhaps it's still being worked on. Who knows?

I think we'll get more information in the upcoming months.
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Ok, I agree with you (isn't that something? ;))...

Yes, we definitely could be worrying about nothing...The quality could turn out great, who knows....Or maybe in the next 4 months, they get access to what we really want....(could be just wishful thinking, since it'd be pretty last minute)....But it doesn't hurt to inquire ;)
 
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No, it wouldn't have been a waste of money.

Supposedly This is it (only a rehearsal) was filmed only for MJ's personal use and was never intended to be release to the public.

So now how is filming a concert (the final product) a waste of money?
 
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lucilla said:
No, it wouldn't have been a waste of money.
Supposedly This is it (the rehearsal) was filmed only for MJ's personal use and was never intended to be release to the public.

So now how is filming the actual concert a waste of money?
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Do you think they used film in 2009 for rehearsals? I guess they used HD cameras which is common this decade.
 
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Not sure why people would claim it's a waste of money. We all know MJ liked to record everything. Why wouldn't he want to record everything in the best quality possible, especially concerts when it was possible? Money issues for MJ back then? Neeh
 
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Do you guys think that all the selfish collectors that won't release what Bad Tour tapes they have will release their Bad stuff once Wembley comes out?
It took forever for the Tokyo and Rome 88 promo footage to come out. Who knows what else is out there.
 
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big DB said:
film costs a lot, so more than likely they filmed just what they needed and nothing else. Especially since the shots for moonwalker were planned out.
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Hunterr said:
Yeah, thats true. But that's why if they did use film, they would have done it for 1 or a handful of shows.

Or at the least do what they did for Yokohama and get more cameras and crew.
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I understand film cost more. But, we are not talking about the father next door filming his first-born son's first steps. We are talking about the highest grossing concert series by the world's biggest star. Would they really be so frugal about filming? If they needed to record the concert for Moonwalker, why not film more segments? The crew was there. The equipment was there. Why not film the entire thing? So, they didn't mind paying the crew, but they care about cost of extra film rolls?
 
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Hunterr said:
Do you guys think that all the selfish collectors that won't release what Bad Tour tapes they have will release their Bad stuff once Wembley comes out?
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Doubt it.
 
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lucilla said:
No, it wouldn't have been a waste of money.

Supposedly This is it (only a rehearsal) was filmed only for MJ's personal use and was never intended to be release to the public.

So now how is filming a concert (the final product) a waste of money?
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Well thats different. You can now achieve film look, and even higher quality, with HD cams that film on tiny memory cards or tapes.
They didn't have all this wonderful technology back then, so film would have cost money (not that I'm not saying it would have been a waste of money, of course!).


Oh, and I think the rehearsal footage was filmed (in addition for MJ's personal use) to be used for possible future film extras and internet content.
 
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charismatic said:
All, I really think when the Estate said VHS recording the meant Beta Max Recording or Copy. This is the normal achrival medium that things were recorded on back in the day and then for say public release they'd put in VHS. So Michael likely had a Beta Max copy which is much better at perserving quality than VHS.
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I was thinking the same, cause vhs wasn't that popular in US, right?
Are here some 80s kids from the US? what was used in the homecinemas at that time?
But the tapes of Brunei, Bueanos aires and the rest that have leaked where all vhs tapes. And why say "from vhs", when vhs and betamax are two different systems? Beta is used by tv-stations.
 
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Arklove said:
Ok, I agree with you (isn't that something? ;))...

Yes, we definitely could be worrying about nothing...The quality could turn out great, who knows....But it doesn't hurt to inquire ;)
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I agree that it doesn't hurt to inquire and that's why I sent the email. :) Now that I know that they know the concerns and thinking about addressing them, I'm okay. I can give them some time and wait until they release more information.
 
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Look at the second shot from the Bad Tour - I'd say it's comparable in quality to what we've seen so far. Could be from the same source.
 
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MJJLatvia said:
Do you think they used film in 2009 for rehearsals? I guess they used HD cameras which is common this decade.
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Knowing Michael? I think so ;)
 
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Jesta said:
Look at the second shot from the Bad Tour - I'd say it's comparable in quality to what we've seen so far. Could be from the same source.
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Black jacket one (0:07)? That's from Pepsi commercial I think. That's no Bad tour.
 
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Wish that walmart preorder had the "pick up in store" option, want to make sure I get it the day it comes out. I don't think they'll run out though so it should be fine, just 2 more weeks!
 
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As i read the statement, that dvd is from vhs, it stoot im my mind, that its because we wanted wembley around that 14-15-16, cause many said that were the best concerts of wembley.
that is bugging me now. is it just because we insisted those dates or cause they really don't have other material. It doesn't make sense if they have HQ film material and not release blu-ray, instead of sd quality, just because we wanted that particular period of time. If i remember right, most of us said, best possible video quality of one of the wembley concerts.

can't this be asked and "cleared" why they chose that way. And can't be someone hired to do research of what and where and if there are film recordings of that tour and the other tours. who has them?

I'm happy about the whole package.

I'm sure that there will be blu-ray of the bad tour one day.

Just the last two days, this dvd its so mystery for me.
 
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All we can do is hope for the best quality with what they have and what they can do with it. Will see.
 
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