Michael's mom reported missing /Grandma's Home/TJ appointed Co/Guardian with Katherine

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^^Yeah Tito should have spoken to a lawyer before he signed that letter. The lawyer, as long as he is not Oxman, would tell him there is no evidence of fraud, and in no way could they dictate legally who is running the estate. Grown men should have more sense.
 
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the current will was validated by the court, right? It so, isn't it near impossible to overturn their decision?

And just out of curiosity: IF the current will is invalidated, and the 1997 one kicks in, where does that leave Paris and Blanket, inheritance wise?
 
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the current will was validated by the court, right? It so, isn't it near impossible to overturn their decision?

And just out of curiosity: IF the current will is invalidated, and the 1997 one kicks in, where does that leave Paris and Blanket, inheritance wise?

The will will not be invalidated, this is just wishful thinking by Randy and company. They cannot challenge the will because they have no legal standing. The time to battle the will was over a long time ago. Katherine was able to challenge the will, but if she did so and lost she would lose her inheritance, so she was advised not to do so. Some say her lawyers advised her and othesr say her kids advised. You can pick who you think told her not to.

Witnesses testified to signing this will.
 
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^^Yeah Tito should have spoken to a lawyer before he signed that letter. The lawyer, as long as he is not Oxman, would tell him there is no evidence of fraud, and in no way could they dictate legally who is running the estate. Grown men should have more sense.

There came a time once i used to think tito was the most sensible mature one out of the siblings...guess not
 
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^^I a still confused as to how he got involved in this. We learned that Janet was the one who planned for mother to go away to be away from the kids, which is another mystery. I wonder what was the importance of keeping Katherine away from the kids, in particular. I could see why they keep the sons who did not sign away from her, to sort of punish them or treat them as outcasts. With the children though, I do not understand why, unless it was to make them worry because they do not care about them.
 
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^^I a still confused as to how he got involved in this. We learned that Janet was the one who planned for mother to go away to be away from the kids, which is another mystery. I wonder what was the importance of keeping Katherine away from the kids, in particular. I could see why they keep the sons who did not sign away from her, to sort of punish them or treat them as outcasts. With the children though, I do not understand why, unless it was to make them worry because they do not care about them.

I have heard different theories: A) the kids were causing choas wanting to have sleepovers , staying up late etc
B) Katherine belives the estate arent doing good by her and believe everything randy is saying
 
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Alright, this shit literally do pissed off, words can't begin to explain. Forgive me if this post is laced with profanities but the more coverage this gets the more I'm angered. I don't care if you're a fan of Jermaine, Marlon, Tito, whoever, the fact remains that no matter which of them it is, they're all greedy fucking bastards. Their only real problem here is that none of their names, other than those that rightfully should, don't show up on the damn will. They'll even go so low to pull stunts like this and even jeopardize those three children's future well being all to use Michael's money that he spent a lifetime busting his ass for, to support their totally over their heads lavish lifestyles, and shitty ass comeback concerts. Good for Estate for not backing to The Jackson Klans demands, because they old and senial asses don't deserve a drop of Michael's money. They old as fuck to still be relying on Lil bro to get out of the shit creeks they put themselves into. Good for Paris, Prince and Blanket for standing up against they shit and +infinity G points to Paris for exposing they old asses. And how dare Janet, how fucking dare her for trying to silence Paris, in defense of this bullshit.

Say what you want about Janet and her innocence, she tried to take that childs phone, the proof is In the pudding. She's on camera trying to snatch a childs phone, because shes the only one with heart to go against her family, for the sake of truth and justice , just like her daddy.

I'm so damn disappointed in Janet. As far as the rest of the rest of the senile J5 klan, they all go fuck themselves.
 
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I don't think they truly realize the damage they have done. Especially with the kids. I don't see them trusting them again. I think they will do what Michael did. Many people are not buying their explanantions and excuses. It's all about the MONEY. We are suppose to believe their stories about Michael and his addictions or horse and water comments when they never saw him most of the time? After what they have done now they are reliable sources? I don't think so. Theses are the same people who advised their mother to drop restitution for Murray because they will never see a dime from him. Who cares that he will just make money off of killing Michael right? They make me sick.

They don't care about the kids. From the minute Michael died all they have cared about is the money and how they can get it. Janet looks the fool the most because people assume she has money and her actions make her look unstable for once. She hides behind Randy and the letter. She doesn't have the guts to tell the media or anyone her thoughts.I guess she isn't the normal one anymore.
 
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I have heard different theories: A) the kids were causing choas wanting to have sleepovers , staying up late etc
B) Katherine belives the estate arent doing good by her and believe everything randy is saying

I feel these are the stories they put out^^, but what is the real reason for doing it? I mean they know the kids are not causing trouble, but simply made that up as a smear campaign. Anyway Randy there is nothing wrong in sleepovers and staying up late especially in July.
 
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quick question: Where does Marlon stand in all of this??
 
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Before jumping down specific family memebers knecks.. Im going to wait for this to unfold. We don't actually KNOW much. People will have to speak publically in time. Katherine will be asked about this.. I know the Jackson family does some funky things I don't agree with. (Not as a whole) but I don't have any armor to attack anyone or pass judgement until I hear from Katherine herself. I would be interested to hear more from Paris though!
 
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^^We know he did not sign, and cried because they would not tell him where his mother is. He may not want to go all out and talk about his other siblings and their intentions.
 
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My take/ theory / questions on recent Jackson family events :

From the start I believed this to be a situation that is snowballed tremendously around the Jackson siblings letter. The following is my personal SPECULATION about the events.

Jackson siblings had their letter to the Estate ready to be sent and leaked. They didn't want Katherine to be around and be able to denounce their claims and say she got along fine with Executors. So a trip for her was planned. She left with Rebbie to watch Unity concerts or so it was told.

When the letter was leaked, Katherine's mini-stroke news started to make the rounds. Paris who hasn't seen her grandma for some time by then started to worry about her, tried to reach to her and tried to call her. She wasn't allowed because Katherine was resting. The letter also included serious accusations against Katherine's caretakers, advisers and lawyers. Probably these people tried to reach Katherine to learn about her stand on this situation but they weren't able to either. The people that sent the letter were blocking these people they accused in the letter from reaching to Katherine.

That's when Katherine's trip became an issue. Katherine wasn't "missing" missing, they knew she was on a trip with Rebbie but they didn't know where she was exactly. When they weren't able to talk to Katherine and when they realized the siblings wouldn't let them, they were left with one choice - filing a missing persons report. That would have required the cops to do a wellness check.

Then it got snowballed, story after story, statements, tweets and finally a confrontation at the house. It seemed Paris's tweets carried a lot of weight in the public opinion / media and there was an attempt to get the kids and control their tweets and do damage control. There was no need to go home to say they can see and talk to Katherine, one call from Katherine could have resolved this issue.

Jackson siblings also contradicted each other and there are some inconsistencies that bring a lot of questions

- Jermaine's statement said no one was "blocked" to reach from Katherine but today Randy said she's "isolated". Plus Paris, Katherine's lawyers, TJ and Marlon Jackson all said they cannot talk to Katherine.

- Katherine is supposed to rest away from distractions but she's accompanied by her grandgrandkid London. If she can be around kids, why can't she be around MJ's kids that she's legally responsible for?

- Katherine's health information is also conflicting. There are reports that she's totally healthy and did not have a stroke at all, there are reports that she had a stroke some time ago and some reports that she needed rest now. It's hard to determine what to believe.

- Security camera footage has shown Janet Jackson not once but twice trying to get Paris's phone from her. No one can blame Janet's action to Trent or Branca.

- Some blamed Trent for controlling and/or influencing Paris's tweets. They cannot explain the tweet from TJ Jackson or the crying on TV of Marlon Jackson. Those are grown men.

- Family is not "united" as Randy claims. Marlon, Tito and Jackie are against it and no one knows where Joe, Latoya and Katherine stands in regards to this issue.

- Why send this letter now? is also an important question. Jackson family was well aware of the will and the "issues" of the will from the start. Joe tried but failed. Katherine had a chance to challenge the executors but dropped it. Why send this letter 3 years later?

- Why didn't Katherine tried to call MJ's kids all this time? Is she aware what's going on? or is she blocked from reaching out as well?

- Why did the Jacksons let this situation escalate so much when a 30 second call between Katherine and Paris could have ended it all?

I said from the start that I welcome any and all legal fight between MJ Estate and Jackson siblings in regards to the will, Estate and Executors. Branca & McClain are adults and they can stand their ground. This has been an ongoing debate among the fan community and I would like it to be over for once and for all.

I do not believe for one second that was accidentally leaked. -_- :nono: Very bla bla bla of the brothers in an attempt to try to explain and we still do not know what is really happening. :bugeyed I hope someone else clean this mess up and clarify this situation once for all. :mat: Now, I do not doubt that PPB begin to hate their own uncles and will want to keep distance from them. Now they are seeing who is the true Jackson family. :( :fear: *big sigh*




Where is papa Joe and La Tonta? Very strange this silence... why I believe that they would not lose the opportunity to appear to mess even more. :fear:
 
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I feel these are the stories they put out^^, but what is the real reason for doing it? I mean they know the kids are not causing trouble, but simply made that up as a smear campaign. Anyway Randy there is nothing wrong in sleepovers and staying up late especially in July.


Well now apperately i heard randy is using the media making out claims that the kids are not biologically mjs and with that claim he is trying to say " they are not mjs kids are WE should get the $$$$" ...well thats what i think anyway
 
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I am glad the kids talked to their lawyer. I think Michael would be proud of them how they are dealing with this.
 
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Finally paris has confirmed what we always knew! thank u paris!

PJ does not know anything and is being deceived.

The real devils in this orchestrated take down are the devils that took Mike down. The same unsavory characters are circling like vultures overhead.

Take one look at PJ's twitter feed and you'll see why children should NOT be on Twitter. Esp not a child such as PJ since she's the offspring of someone like MJ.

There's a thing called "class" -- Mike had lots of it and always maintained his classy composure even in the most troubling of times. To see Mike's daughter behaving the way she has been, is just unreal.

As for the rest of the family, they are being played like they've always been played. Lawyers have moved in and divided the family against itself and set in motion a strategy to rip the family apart. That's what happens when you entrust your Estate to the folks who are currently running it.

Mike made a huge mistake in that will... based on the reports he requested that will back when he terminated Branca.

The fans should not be so d*** gulliable.

MJ's family may have its problems (greed, envy, etc.), but the real problem lies on the outside of that family. The real manipulators.

Sure, there are unsavory characters all on the inside, too, but that's cause they have puppet master pulling strings all over the place.

Mike's worst nightmare has come true. He's gone. His kids are living at their grandmother's house and the vultures that conspired to snuff him out are creating divisions amongst his family and amongst his fans.

Most fans are no longer his fans, but fans of that Estate. That estate is not MJ. What remains on Earth is an abomination.
 
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Well now apperately i heard randy is using the media making out claims that the kids are not biologically mjs and with that claim he is trying to say " they are not mjs kids are WE should get the $$$$" ...well thats what i think anyway

Well are you going to get an inheritance from someone if they did not leave it to you. The person signed a doc stating their wealth goes to three children, a mother, and charities. The will did not say to my brothers and sisters. Someone needs to point this out to Randy.
 
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Ivy we shouldn't be making disparaging remarks about Paris in this thread. I see you are on line.
 
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I am glad the kids talked to their lawyer. I think Michael would be proud of them how they are dealing with this.

Which Michael are we referring to? The one that passed away or the bastardized version that exists in the minds of the manipulated fanbase? When did Mike support misinformed and out of control kids talking to lawyers to start a war within the family???
 
Quotes from Katherine's lawyers

Katherine Jackson's attorney 'troubled' by family chaos

An attorney for Michael Jackson's mother said he has been unable to reach Katherine Jackson after her reported disappearance highlighted a simmering family dispute, but said he believes "nothing untoward" has happened to his client.

When asked where the 82-year-old family matriarch is and how she is doing, attorney Perry Sanders said: "We are working today on those two exact issues."

"I'm hoping this has all been a really big misunderstanding that just got out of control," he added.

Sanders said he believes his client is "safe in the technical sense of the word" and is with her daughter, Rebbie, but he has not spoken to her.

"I'm troubled because of the chaos that has ensued, but I have faith nothing untoward has happened to her," Sanders said.

Katherine Jackson was reported missing over the weekend, and although Los Angeles County sheriff's authorities and members of the Jackson family have said she was out of state with other family members, Paris Jackson — the late Michael Jackson's 14-year-old daughter — continues to publicly claim she is being kept from her grandmother.

"8 days and counting . something is really off , this isn&#8217;t like her at all .." she tweeted on Monday. "i wanna talk directly to my grandmother!!<|3"

On Tuesday morning, she tweeted again: "9 days and counting&#8230; so help me god i will make whoever did this pay."

Deputies responded to a family disturbance at Katherine Jackson's Calabasas home on Monday afternoon, but said the incident did not involve Michael Jackson's three children. Authorities who went to the home determined that a physical altercation had occurred between members of the Jackson family but no arrests were made.

Sheriff's Department spokesman Steve Whitmore did not say which adult family members were involved, only that they determined the children were not part of the family fracas.

Meanwhile, deputies continue to investigate allegations from April that Michael Jackson's mother was being exploited by family members.

Whitmore said a business associate of the family made the accusation. Deputies interviewed Katherine Jackson, who denied the allegation.

The claim was that Katherine Jackson was being "emotionally and financially mistreated by family members," Whitmore said. "She emphatically denied the allegations, and deputies determined she was in good health."

Sanders said on Tuesday his client was "absolutely lucid as she can be."

Sanders said the children were currently under the care of T.J. Jackson, Katherine Jackson's grandson and Tito Jackson's son.

T.J. Jackson's guardianship was a "very temporary situation" that was "appropriate" while Katherine Jackson was away, Sanders said, but he stressed his client would "adamantly" fight any efforts to permanently rescind her guardianship of the children.

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A lawyer for Katherine Jackson, Michael Jackson's mother and his children's legal guardian, said that she and the children do not know where their grandmother is and she believes the family matriarch is being kept in the dark about what has happened.

"We don't know where she is," attorney Sandra L. Ribera told "Nightline." "We know that she is in Arizona, allegedly, but we don't know where because law enforcement won't give us the address, because it is an ongoing investigation."

Watch the full story on "Nightline" tonight at 11:35 p.m. ET

Katherine Jackson, the 82-year-old legal guardian of her late son Michael Jackson's three children -- Prince, Paris and Blanket -- was reported missing on Saturday after her grandchildren hadn't heard from her in days. She was found "resting" with her daughter in Arizona. X17Online obtained a photo of Jackson smiling and playing Uno with family in Arizona.

Michael Jackson's siblings released a statement on Monday saying the missing person's report was "created by the very person and persons we are trying to protect our mother from."


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Ribera said that while the Los Angeles County Sheriff's department considered the case closed, they were "exhausting other options" to find Katherine Jackson, including seeking help from the FBI and local law enforcement in Arizona. She said Katherine Jackson is being preventing from contacting her grandchildren "by the people that she is staying with," but she declined to name anyone specifically.

Paris Jackson, 14, tweeted today, "9 days and counting... so help me god i will make whoever did this pay."

Sources told ABC News that a court-appointed child advocate met with Michael Jackson's children Monday night and is working with them so that they can rejoin their grandmother.

Court papers likely will be filed this week to demand that Katherine Jackson be allowed contact with the children. Sources told ABC News that the filing would likely include a request for a temporary guardian for the children, expected to be someone already around the children.

Ribera would not comment on any arrangements concerning temporary custody of the children, but said that Trent Jackson, Katherine Jackson's nephew and confidant who reported her missing, and Tito Jackson's children, including TJ Jackson, were at Katherine Jackson's Calabasas, Calif., home looking after them in her absence.

"All I can say is that efforts are being made as a result of what happened on Monday to make sure that the children are safe and well protected," Ribera said.

The Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department responded to a "family disturbance" at the Jackson family home Monday after Ribera said Randy, Jermaine and Janet Jackson showed up, broke through a security gate and apparently tried to take Michael Jackson's kids away. Ribera said the scene was "chaos."

"It was surprise kind of greeting, it was friendly -- the kids love their aunts and uncles and cousins, of course -- but then it turned into yelling and flailing of arms," Ribera said. "It was very aggressive, a kind of ambush-type scenario, and I saw with my own eyes the kids exit down the back of the house into the canyon to escape."

Sheriff's spokesman Steve Whitmore said Monday there was a "scuffle" between two family members at Katherine Jackson's home, but no arrests were made. Ribera also declined to name who had been involved in the altercation and would only say that Janet Jackson grabbed Paris' cell phone.

"[The children] were very shaken up," Ribera said. "They don't understand why they're being prevented from talking to [Katherine Jackson] and why she's being prevented from calling them. It's been nine days. She's never done this."
 
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Oh gee just what we need now
 
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and a quote from Estate lawyer

"They [executors of the will] will not stand down because the siblings who were left out of Michael's will want them to," said Zia Modabber, who is the attorney for the Jackson estate.

Modabber said, "I can't speak for them. I don't know what's motivating Jermaine and Randy and some of these others, but money is not a bad guess."
 
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Take one look at PJ's twitter feed and you'll see why children should NOT be on Twitter. Esp not a child such as PJ since she's the offspring of someone like MJ.

Thing is that is paris's own twitter page which means she can pretty much do what she wants with it and if this is her only outlet to show how she is feeling, i guess there s nothing no one can do bout that.To me i think silence speaks deadlier volumes than not saying anything at all in some situations
 
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Yes.... :fear: I think she should be quiet and not talk about their thoughts on the family in twitter at this time. She's exposing a lot. :unsure:


No, you're right. She should shut the **** up cause she does NOT know what she does.

...Don't get me wrong... the Jackson family is NOT innocent. But what's going on right now has a lot of orchestrated ISH going on in the background. You have unsavory lawyers manipulating the facts and protecting their own evil interests.

They don't care about US or the kids.

Furthermore, those kids should have NEVER been raised with the other juvenile deliquint kids in that house. the J3 are now messed up. They are acting out and have become unruly, just like the rest of the Jackson youth.

That twitter account should have been shut down a long time ago.

The children are being played like pawns by the fools who have fooled almost everyone (but not me).
 
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Thing is that is paris's own twitter page which means she can pretty much do what she wants with it and if this is her only outlet to show how she is feeling, i guess there s nothing no one can do bout that.To me i think silence speaks deadlier volumes than not saying anything at all in some situations


WRONG

She's a child and should NOT be on Twitter or Facebook and should not be addressing the public. Her dad was the greatest entertainer that ever lived and because of that she and the rest of the Jackson children should have been given instructions on how to present themselves with the public.

She's been on the wrong path ever since her father took off.

NO - her father would have never supported an acting career for her at this age.
NO - her father would have not let her sit on Twitter and address the public the way she does now.

And NO - she would not be allowed to wage war with the family -- EVEN if the family had an ongoing dispute.

You know Mike didn't play that ish!!!
 
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You're question isn't making sense. I said if it were MY child they would not have twitter... so why would I support Paris Jackson using Twitter? The nature of her tweets don't concern me because I CLEARLY said that I don't support children using Twitter. If it were up to me she would have never had Twitter in the first place so whether or not I agree with her Tweets is irrelevant.

I'll say it again, I DON'T SUPPORT KIDS USING TWITTER

Now.... Twitter aside...

Were Paris's Tweets a "Mere cry of desperation from a kid affected by the very immaturity of her family"?. YES. So I am not denying that. However Twitter is not the place to do it and I would prefer my children to contact an adult or the proper authorities. Especially when you're "a public figure".

It's not making sense to you because you're old fashioned. Paris won't stop using twitter just because people like you don't think it's ok for children to have one. Get it? and SHE DID contact adults and proper authorities LOOK AT WHAT HAS HAPPENED because of it!!! damn, you people need to look at this with an open mind, understand that today's world is all about of social networks. I can't see how she would wait until any responsible adult or authority could help or give her an answer about her grandma, when it's obvious she contacted them prior to this and still had no answer, up until now..
 
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