Michael's mom reported missing /Grandma's Home/TJ appointed Co/Guardian with Katherine

[Elegantly Wasted]

Re: Michael's mom reported missing /TJ temp Guardianship/Grandma's Home

I'm afraid that Michael's kids are going to be treated exactly how Michael was, and if there's grown people bashing them already at the ages they are now, I do not want to see what happens in the future.

But as someone else said, atleast there's three of them. They will always band together and I think they'll be a force to be reckoned with.

These celebrity adults should know better. I half wish Paris would tweet about them and blast them for their comments as well.

 

[bluetopez]

Re: Michael's mom reported missing /TJ temp Guardianship/Grandma's Home

They bash the kids cause their MJ kids. Some will spill their hate for their father on to them. It's pathetic!

 

[Bubs]

Re: Michael's mom reported missing /TJ temp Guardianship/Grandma's Home

I wish these F list celebrities would actually take the time to know what they are talking about before talking crap about how Paris needs to get her phone taken away. This whole mess is because of RANDY's twitter account! That letter was so poorly written that a lot of people didn't even believe it was real until he confirmed its authenticity.

None of these people said anything when certain members were all over the media spreading drug addict stories about Michael! Why weren't all these so called interventions kept to themselves if so called family problems should stay out of the media.

Those are paid interviews, they are pissed off with Paris because she gives all the info for free
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Funny little snippet from NY post:
La Toya Jackson says public feud damaging family name: report

You know things have gotten out of hand when La Toya Jackson is the voice of reason.

Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/pagesix/la_...damaging_UVXswxeEZrNvT2RxN66UTK#ixzz21pwVIVMA

:rofl:

 

[Vici]

Re: Michael's mom reported missing /TJ temp Guardianship/Grandma's Home

Katherine is old and needs a break. She can't be a grandma and a parent at her age. a

Well she was that to both Jermaine and Randys kids and I dont think nobody in the family complained.

However, when it comes to MJs kids who are orphans they are suddenly a "handful/unruly". I dont get this family.

MJ did so much for his family (economic wise and be somehow of a co-parent to some of his nephews/nieces) so the last they could do is to take care of his kids. I think that would mean the world to him. They owe him alot

 

[Vici]

Re: Michael's mom reported missing /TJ temp Guardianship/Grandma's Home

I wish these F list celebrities would actually take the time to know what they are talking about before talking crap about how Paris needs to get her phone taken away.

None of these people said anything when certain members were all over the media spreading drug addict stories about Michael! Why weren't all these so called interventions kept to themselves if so called family problems should stay out of the media.

Or like how the family were everywhere on Twitter and speaking to various media outlets that the new album were fake. Before Paris started to tweet that some songs were fake, the family said to the media like TMZ that even the children thought the songs were fake. Family business much? They even used Paris tweets to push their agenda and I did NOT hear or see the Jackson family telling to shut up when she said some songs were fake.

 

[gerryevans]

When it comes to Michael's will... It was written years before he died and he had alot of time to change it if he wanted too. Someone as famous as Michael would have always had things in place for "just incase"... For example at the trial he wore bullet proof vests...and in situations like that, you would have a will signed. So if he didn't want these men in charge, he'd have changed it around that time especially. Those two men are in charge because Michael wanted them to be.

As for the show going on tonight SMH!!! I know they're performers but how can they possible go on stage and pretend everything is peachy when the entire world has been watching their every move. I can't wait to hear the report from it.

Michael's first will was done in '97. It was five years later when he changed it again with the birth of Blanket. It isn't unusual for even famous very wealthy people to not look at their wills again until AFTER the advent of a child or some other circumstance.

I believe around the trial or after it, his former publicist/manager Raymone Bain said she asked him about the will to the extent that he got angry at her for asking him, because he'd assured her he had one. So I too believe Branca is the executor he wanted at the time.

But after the trial, it's been said his already serious trust issues justifiably got worse toward almost everyone. Maybe, he did make some negative comments about Branca to his family and they translated them to mean MJ wanted no parts of him, even if he agreed to work with him again. Many of us have worked with people we can’t stand, but if they can do what we need better than anyone else, we move pass it. Maybe down the road, MJ would have decided to put someone in place who was not only vastly qualified and he liked a lot too. We don’t know. The only certainty is that the Jacksons aren’t qualified. Except for Prince. One day, he could manage the estate or at least work closely with Branca.

P.S. This is not to say Randy is justified in his obsession about Branca and the estate. It's just a suggestion of a reason, other than his greed, of why he feels MJ didn't want Branca in charge.

 

[Victory22]

I wish these F list celebrities would actually take the time to know what they are talking about before talking crap about how Paris needs to get her phone taken away. This whole mess is because of RANDY's twitter account! That letter was so poorly written that a lot of people didn't even believe it was real until he confirmed its authenticity.

None of these people said anything when certain members were all over the media spreading drug addict stories about Michael! Why weren't all these so called interventions kept to themselves if so called family problems should stay out of the media.

I remember hearing and seeing interviews where Gladys Knight talks about how sad and introverted Michael was as a child. She was one of the first stars to meet him and she told Barry Gordy about the group. Gladys is aware Michael was severely abused by Joe Jackson yet she has the nerve to say she would knock all his daughters’ teeth out for speaking out when she and her brother are abused in this family? Gladys knows better but I guess she thought that prehistoric statement made her look good.

 

[megafan001]

Re: Michael's mom reported missing /TJ temp Guardianship/Grandma's Home

I wonder how brothers are going be able to put everything behind and perform tonight like nothing happened? There might be some shovelling and pushing on the stage, and hope Jermaine keep his Jermoobs covered.

I hope no one turns up.

 

[Bonnie Blue]

Re: Michael's mom reported missing /TJ temp Guardianship/Grandma's Home

This is not to say Randy is justified in his obsession about Branca and the estate. It's just a suggestion of a reason, other than his greed, of why he feels MJ didn't want Branca in charge.

Maybe, but i think if $1bn is at stake you don't need anything other than greed for a motivation.

I feel with the opposition to the will, it could very well be really deep-rooted in this idea of family and entitlement that all jacksons have, even in the next generation like taj (as seen in the mjjc q and a). They just feel everything mj is theirs - mj spent his life keeping them at arms' length , but once he died they just went into automatic mode and immediately filed for ownership of the estate even though they knew branca had a copy of the will. All the comments that they have made, like joe jackson is the estate, the will maybe in ink but we are blood, we are family so how can we be accused of exploiting mj, we were the reason for mj's success etc. And their utter inability and incredulity in recognising that they cannot use the likeness of mj in all their projects even though he is their son/brother. All of it suggests that it's nothing to do with genuine concerns about suspect locations, forged signatures, misspelt names, but with a complete emotional refusal to accept that they are blocked from using and exploiting mj after death even though they feel they own him as a jackson.

 

[Moonwalker.Fan]

Re: Michael's mom reported missing /TJ temp Guardianship/Grandma's Home

[h=2] Katherine Jackson
I'll SHARE Guardianship with TJ [/h] exclusive

Katherine Jackson says she's had a change of heart ... and is now ready to split guardianship of MJ's 3 children with her grandson TJ.

Katherine's attorney tells TMZ ... "It was agreed by all that it is in the best interest of Mrs. Jackson and the children to file a modified joint pleading at the beginning of next week."

"That pleading will essentially now legally reflect how Mrs. Jackson and TJ have often shared responsibilites of raising the children since Michael Jackson's tragic passing."

Story developing ...

 

[Big Apple2]

Re: Michael's mom reported missing /TJ temp Guardianship/Grandma's Home

Maybe, but i think if $1bn is at stake you don't need anything other than greed for a motivation.

I feel with the opposition to the will, it could very well be really deep-rooted in this idea of family and entitlement that all jacksons have, even in the next generation like taj (as seen in the mjjc q and a). They just feel everything mj is theirs - mj spent his life keeping them at arms' length , but once he died they just went into automatic mode and immediately filed for ownership of the estate even though they knew branca had a copy of the will. All the comments that they have made, like joe jackson is the estate, the will maybe in ink but we are blood, we are family so how can we be accused of exploiting mj, we were the reason for mj's success etc. And their utter inability and incredulity in recognising that they cannot use the likeness of mj in all their projects even though he is their son/brother. All of it suggests that it's nothing to do with genuine concerns about suspect locations, forged signatures, misspelt names, but with a complete emotional refusal to accept that they are blocked from using and exploiting mj after death even though they feel they own him as a jackson.

You have a good point!

I mean, just the other day, I listened to Randy's interview with Al Sharpton, wherein Randy was describing what went down at the house.

Randy said "when we got to the house, we were denied access to OUR OWN HOME."

Which of course made me laugh, while thinking "come on Son, that ain't YOUR home."

Had the nerve to say OUR OWN HOME, and he was being serious. He used the same exact words when he spoke to Robin Roberts, I was waiting for Robin to say something, but of course she didn't.

 

[elusive moonwalker]

Re: Michael's mom reported missing /TJ temp Guardianship/Grandma's Home

Maybe, but i think if $1bn is at stake you don't need anything other than greed for a motivation.

I feel with the opposition to the will, it could very well be really deep-rooted in this idea of family and entitlement that all jacksons have, even in the next generation like taj (as seen in the mjjc q and a). They just feel everything mj is theirs - mj spent his life keeping them at arms' length , but once he died they just went into automatic mode and immediately filed for ownership of the estate even though they knew branca had a copy of the will. All the comments that they have made, like joe jackson is the estate, the will maybe in ink but we are blood, we are family so how can we be accused of exploiting mj, we were the reason for mj's success etc. And their utter inability and incredulity in recognising that they cannot use the likeness of mj in all their projects even though he is their son/brother. All of it suggests that it's nothing to do with genuine concerns about suspect locations, forged signatures, misspelt names, but with a complete emotional refusal to accept that they are blocked from using and exploiting mj after death even though they feel they own him as a jackson.

spot on.

 

[Big Apple2]

Re: Michael's mom reported missing /TJ temp Guardianship/Grandma's Home

Katherine Jackson says she's had a change of heart ... and is now ready to split guardianship of MJ's 3 children with her grandson TJ.

I have a feeling that TJ was not backing down, he was going for permanent guardianship regardless, and this was their collective compromise.

If true, I'm happy that TJ stood his ground.

 

[Joyce]

Re: Michael's mom reported missing /TJ temp Guardianship/Grandma's Home

Since they don't want to accept responsibility for anything in their lives, they have blinded themselves by choice to the truth and the realities of the way things are. The Jacksons are not (except for Janet) celebrities. They are wannabes. Now that MJ is deceased "the Jacksons" mean Prince, Paris and Blanket.

 

[Vici]

Re: Michael's mom reported missing /TJ temp Guardianship/Grandma's Home

TMZ have picked up the story what Gladys said.

 

[Sue]

Re: Michael's mom reported missing /TJ temp Guardianship/Grandma's Home

Re. the quote from Sandra Ribera, one of KJ's attorneys:- "a plan has been in place for the last three years to remove Katherine Jackson from her home and her beloved grandchildren." that has been mentioned so many times on this thread. Obviously it's something KJ either knew or knows now, so what are your thoughts?

 

[soulmum]

Re: Michael's mom reported missing /TJ temp Guardianship/Grandma's Home

Joint guardianship sounds good BUT I'd still like to have some clarification about who is allowed to enter the home after the shenanigans of the last few days.

 

[Bonnie Blue]

Re: Michael's mom reported missing /TJ temp Guardianship/Grandma's Home

Wonder if the shared guardianship will mean 2 sets of estate allowances for the guardian. Mrs j is clearly not willing to give up any of her rights. I find it extraordinary after the events of this week, when there seems to be a 30something relative ready to take over who the children like, that a court would continue to let a 82 yr old be a guardian to children as youong as 10 - why not let her be a grandmother. Her choices in letting the children be dragged into the heal the world dispute with their own father's estate, and other questionable ventures for profit hasn't shown good guardianship so far.

 

[TheChosenOne]

Michael's first will was done in '97. It was five years later when he changed it again with the birth of Blanket. It isn't unusual for even famous very wealthy people to not look at their wills again until AFTER the advent of a child or some other circumstance.

I believe around the trial or after it, his former publicist/manager Raymone Bain said she asked him about the will to the extent that he got angry at her for asking him, because he'd assured her he had one. So I too believe Branca is the executor he wanted at the time.

But after the trial, it's been said his already serious trust issues justifiably got worse toward almost everyone. Maybe, he did make some negative comments about Branca to his family and they translated them to mean MJ wanted no parts of him, even if he agreed to work with him again. Many of us have worked with people we can’t stand, but if they can do what we need better than anyone else, we move pass it. Maybe down the road, MJ would have decided to put someone in place who was not only vastly qualified and he liked a lot too. We don’t know. The only certainty is that the Jacksons aren’t qualified. Except for Prince. One day, he could manage the estate or at least work closely with Branca.

P.S. This is not to say Randy is justified in his obsession about Branca and the estate. It's just a suggestion of a reason, other than his greed, of why he feels MJ didn't want Branca in charge.

I agree with this. Sometimes we just complicate things unnecessarily. We often times have to work with people who we are not particularly keen on but who we know will get the job done. And get it done well. As gerryevans said, maybe Michael felt he would keep Branca because, despite their issues, Branca would do a good job.

It would be interesting to know who the Rogue Four believe should be executors. If there is even the suggestion of a Jackson family member, then this is clearly about greed and entitlement, because NONE of them have the capability to manage and grow Michael's tangible and intangible legacy.

If they are objective enough to name another professional in the industry who has a proven track record, only then I would believe that is really about doing right by Michael.

 

[Vici]

Re: Michael's mom reported missing /TJ temp Guardianship/Grandma's Home

[h=2] Katherine Jackson
I'll SHARE Guardianship with TJ [/h] exclusive

Katherine Jackson says she's had a change of heart ... and is now ready to split guardianship of MJ's 3 children with her grandson TJ.

Katherine's attorney tells TMZ ... "It was agreed by all that it is in the best interest of Mrs. Jackson and the children to file a modified joint pleading at the beginning of next week."

"That pleading will essentially now legally reflect how Mrs. Jackson and TJ have often shared responsibilites of raising the children since Michael Jackson's tragic passing."

Story developing ...

Really? Will TJ, his wife, three kids (and two stepkids) move into the Calabasas house or is it safe to say TJ will still live where he does and This is more of a symbolic thing?

 

[KingMikeJ]

Re: Michael's mom reported missing /TJ temp Guardianship/Grandma's Home

Is anything going to happen about the text Prince received from Janet? You know, the one where she clearly instructed Rebbie & Austin to not let Prince, Paris or Blanket speak with their legal guardian.

 

[loveforever]

Michael's first will was done in '97. It was five years later when he changed it again with the birth of Blanket. It isn't unusual for even famous very wealthy people to not look at their wills again until AFTER the advent of a child or some other circumstance.

I believe around the trial or after it, his former publicist/manager Raymone Bain said she asked him about the will to the extent that he got angry at her for asking him, because he'd assured her he had one. So I too believe Branca is the executor he wanted at the time.

But after the trial, it's been said his already serious trust issues justifiably got worse toward almost everyone. Maybe, he did make some negative comments about Branca to his family and they translated them to mean MJ wanted no parts of him, even if he agreed to work with him again. Many of us have worked with people we can’t stand, but if they can do what we need better than anyone else, we move pass it. Maybe down the road, MJ would have decided to put someone in place who was not only vastly qualified and he liked a lot too. We don’t know. The only certainty is that the Jacksons aren’t qualified. Except for Prince. One day, he could manage the estate or at least work closely with Branca.

P.S. This is not to say Randy is justified in his obsession about Branca and the estate. It's just a suggestion of a reason, other than his greed, of why he feels MJ didn't want Branca in charge.

For the matter of fact, randy was mad both John branca and John McClain, he called them both criminal. I think he mentioned John branca often is cause branca is the very active front man but John McClain is very private, quiet and low key. The bold part is the farfetched speculation in my opinion to rationalize randy's crazy nonsense. Michael never fired John branca, on the contrary, it's John branca resigned in 2006. Secondly, it's the fact after the trial randy screwed up Michael's finance badly and caused him a huge trouble. It ended up Michael almost sued randy in court but backed off because he is his brother. So Randy is the last person to point finger on others. Most importantly, Michael rehired john branca and other old employee for his comeback in 09, he said he wanted his old team back. If he hated John branca, he simply made a new will and replaced him with someone he liked. I kinda agree with you that qualification matters we don't have to love our coworkers to work with them. Same goes to Michael, he don't have to love branca to name him as the executor.
To me The Jacksons kept spreading the so called "michael hated John branca" and "the wrong location" is simply cause they wanted to dispute Michael's will and they are grasping the last straw.

 

[Big Apple2]

Re: Michael's mom reported missing /TJ temp Guardianship/Grandma's Home

TMZ have picked up the story what Gladys said.

Ms. Knight is going to get some blacklash for her words, in my opinion.

I know folks like to say what happened "back-in-the-day," but ah this is 2012 and folks get arrested for those types of actions in today's world.

It's like she just endorsed "punching" your child in the mouth.

 

[Bonnie Blue]

Re: Michael's mom reported missing /TJ temp Guardianship/Grandma's Home

I have a feeling that TJ was not backing down, he was going for permanent guardianship regardless, and this was their collective compromise.

If true, I'm happy that TJ stood his ground.

Or maybe it's a case of mrs j not backing down. I really felt that tj had a good chance of permanent guardianship because of age and the spa minibreak, but maybe family pressure was exerted on tj to agree to this compromise and still allow mrs j control/access/$.

 

[Elegantly Wasted]

Re: Michael's mom reported missing /TJ temp Guardianship/Grandma's Home

On the issue of the Jackson's feeling entitlement to everything MJ, I just remembered a documentary I watched on Michael's anniversary, which showed a clip of Jermaine saying "that's why WE write these songs..heal the world, we are the world , man in the mirror, earth song..to raise awareness"

Michael couldn't even write songs with out them claiming to have had part in them SMH

 

[ivy]

Full statement from Perry Sanders

Statement from Perry Sanders, attorney for Katherine Jackson:
Later this morning, T J Jackson’s attorney, Charles Shultz, will be filing a petition for TJ to be appointed permanent guardian of Michael Jackson’s three children. The court ordered that this petition be filed pursuant to the temporary guardianship he granted TJ on Wednesday of this week. However, after a very productive meeting yesterday, first between Mrs. Jackson and me, and then joined by Prince Jackson, TJ Jackson and Mr. Shultz, it was agreed by all that it is in the best interest of Mrs. Jackson and the children to file a modified joint pleading at the beginning of next week.
With some changes, that pleading will essentially now legally reflect how Mrs. Jackson and TJ have often shared responsibilites of raising the children since Michael Jackson’s tragic passing. Following reaching agreement, Margaret Lodise, the court appointed guardian ad litem for the children, was brought into the meeting by conference call. Ms. Lodise confirmed with Prince that the agreement reflected the wishes of all the children. The joint filing will request that the court reinstate Mrs. Jackson and appoint TJ as a co-guardian of Michael’s children. If the court grants this joint request, it will eliminate concerns such as the ones triggered by the events of the last few days. It will also empower TJ to take joint legal responsibility for certain day to day duties such as the management of household personnel, including security. It will also make clear for school personnel and anyone else coming into contact with the children that TJ is authorized to act on their behalf.
TJ has frequently attended school conferences and dealt with school related matters and this agreement, if approved by the court, allows for continuity as sanctioned by the court . Mrs. Jackson will then be freed upto focus on the more personal everyday decision making related to the lives and activities of the children. She would also remain in control of the children’s family allowance.
Mrs. Jackson is extremely pleased with the prospect of enjoying the pleasure of raising Michael’s children without the day to day tedium of items such as managing the large staff that goes with such a high profile family and focus her attention on being a grandmother and raising Michael’s children. She greatly appreciates the recent love and concern that supporters have shown for her and the kids, and she hopes the court will grant this request for co-guardianship. She is eager to simply enjoy her great relationship with these children, while deeding over some of the stressors that go hand in hand with being a guardian.
Once the joint filing is made next week, it will be served on all interested parties and the specifics of what is being requested will be spelled out in the public record. Until then, no further official comment about guardianship will be made

 

[ScaredOfTheMoon]

Re: Michael's mom reported missing /TJ temp Guardianship/Grandma's Home

I think joint costudy could be a good thing as Katherine could use help because of her age, BUT she is still getting the monthly allowance and if the kids are still gonna be living at the house with her we all know that Janet, Rebbie, Randy and Jermaine can come and go there as they please. So basically nothing is gonna change and the morons are still gonna be after the estate and PPB will probably suffer under it again. Not exactly the result I was hoping for....

 

[prismsagainst5live]

Re: Michael's mom reported missing /TJ temp Guardianship/Grandma's Home

well I am glad TJ will be officially involved. It disturbs me that Katherine is still in control of the money but I feel that TJ will keep an eye on it.

It is also very telling that Prince was involved in the discussions, he is taking a role now like the responsible young man he is.

Is anything like an investigation happening regarding Prince's evidence and the hostage video statement...if this all just 'blows over' now i'm going to be really irritated. They can't pull shit like that and just get away with it. I hope the judge has something to say about it.

 

[Bonnie Blue]

Mrs. Jackson will then be freed upto focus on the more personal everyday decision making related to the lives and activities of the children. She would also remain in control of the children’s family allowance.

So she retains all the important stuff whilst tj gets to sort out the chefs and bodyguards and does the school visits. Mrs j done very well out of this spabreak.

Is anything like an investigation happening regarding Prince's evidence and the hostage video statement...if this all just 'blows over' now i'm going to be really irritated.

Lol, all that was missing was someone holding up a copy of that day's newspaper. I imagine the estate will be looking for a 'clarifying' statement from mrs j regarding that letter.

 

[prismsagainst5live]

Re: Michael's mom reported missing /TJ temp Guardianship/Grandma's Home

Full statement from Perry Sanders


If the court grants this joint request, it will eliminate concerns such as the ones triggered by the events of the last few days.

so it will free Randy and co to pull the shit they did by taking KJ and secluding her for brainwashing to give them the allowance she still controls but no alarm will be raised cos the kids will be with a legal guardian?


Really hope TJ keeps a good eye on them purse strings.