Michael's mom reported missing /Grandma's Home/TJ appointed Co/Guardian with Katherine

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I think everyone is being very hard on Katherine. Also very judgmental. I mean how many of your parents are perfect? Has your mom or dad never let you down? Made a mistake? You've never gotten angry with them or disagreed?

All I'm saying is to just keep an open mind and realize that there are children out there suffering from REAL child abuse. Drugs in the home, molestation by their parents, assault from their teachers. I mean how do you compare that to "Oh my gosh, Janet snatched a cell phone, their being abused!!!"?

The first bad incident and suddenly Katherine is the worst guardian ever? Come on America, be fair about this. Katherine may not be perfect, and she may even need someone to aid her with the guardianship, but their are certainly worst parents out there. There are plenty of orphans who would gladly trade places with those kids. Count your blessings because they could end up with someone worse in the long run.
I'm not sure what the point is in pointing out that Katherine is not the worst parent in the world. Who said she was? If that's been said in this thread then I must have missed the post.

As the guardian of three minor children Katherine should think of their well being first, not the financial situation of her adult children. Now it seems like she chooses her adult children over Michael's children. Being upset with this situation or thinking that she shouldn't be their legal guardian anymore is not anywhere near the same thing as calling her the worst parent ever. The fact that there are other children who have worse parents is neither here nor there. No matter how bad your situation is, you can always find someone who is worse off than you. How bad do things need to be before it's acceptable to say that this is not okay?
 
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This may already have been posted but I'm posting a link to the Guardianship papers signed by TJ. It's interesting to note that on page 15, it states that the mother of Blanket is Deborah Rowe. MJ and Debbie obviously were a couple long after the divorce, and I don't think this is a typo. TJ is a Jackson and knows the truth. http://tmz.vo.llnwd.net/o28/newsdesk...27_jackson.pdf

debbie is not his mother its just a mistake. they got his date of birth wrong too. the lack of stringency in documents is irritaying though, does anyone kno if this a frequent occurance in the legal world? if i were a judge and someone submitted error filled documents i'd throw them back at them and make them file a damn accurate one.
 
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I pray the judge removes Michael Jackson's children from the Jackson family, and allows Diana Ross to raise them.
Katherine Jackson can visit them at Diana Ross's house.
 
Re: Michael's mom reported missing /TJ temp Guardianship/Grandma's Home

This may already have been posted but I'm posting a link to the Guardianship papers signed by TJ. It's interesting to note that on page 15, it states that the mother of Blanket is Deborah Rowe. MJ and Debbie obviously were a couple long after the divorce, and I don't think this is a typo. TJ is a Jackson and knows the truth. http://tmz.vo.llnwd.net/o28/newsdesk...27_jackson.pdf

Maybe they put Debbie's name on it because they don't know who his mother is?
 
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Maybe they put Debbie's name on it because they don't know who his mother is?

Having just looked at that section, which reads as:

List the names and addresses of this child's relatives and other persons shown below:

Father - Michael Jackson
Mother - Deborah Rowe

It reads to me as Debbie is the mother of some of the children, it is not specified if she is to all. If Blanket's Mother is unknown, they just wouldn't add her to the list, which is what has happened here. A bit sloppy for sure, but doesn't prove anything.
 
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dammit, the mention of Debbie as Blanket's mother just gave Randy a reason to write a hateful letter to the California courts, claiming that the temp. guardianship thing is fradulent..... :lol:
 
Re: Michael's mom reported missing /TJ temp Guardianship/Grandma's Home

This may already have been posted but I'm posting a link to the Guardianship papers signed by TJ. It's interesting to note that on page 15, it states that the mother of Blanket is Deborah Rowe. MJ and Debbie obviously were a couple long after the divorce, and I don't think this is a typo. TJ is a Jackson and knows the truth. http://tmz.vo.llnwd.net/o28/newsdesk...27_jackson.pdf

I noticed that also. I do not know how much contact Michael & Debbie had though. It would not surprise me if she does file for guardianship.
 
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Probably it was just a copy paste error. Such as the lawyer filled out one form for Prince and then replaced the names of the kids without paying attention to the rest.
 
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Is this acceptable though ivy? such document sloppiness? how much are these lawyers paid?

doesn't make any difference. They are required to give notice to Diana Ross as she's the second guardian listed on the will and give notice to Debbie Rowe as she's the mother of Prince and Paris. So it makes absolutely no difference. It's a harmless error.
 
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People want to tweet for janet huh? It doesn't change what she did and tried to do. The whole world saw it. The best thing she should do is distance herself from Randy. If she thinks she can trust him then she will see in time too.He has betrayed his whole family in some way or another. It's too bad she and Michael were not close anymore. She listens to Randy too much. I think she needs an intervention but like she said you can't make horse drink water or whatever it was she said about Michael. It's funny because she probably sees Randy more than she ever saw Michael but they know all about Michael right? He needed help but they never saw him in a way that looked he was in trouble. He was always good. Now people are after Katherine and most people see how good she looks.

I never seen a family like this where people just make up lies and they actually believe their lies. I believe Randy believes what he is saying because something is seriously wrong with him. For people in his family to take him seriously need to get their own facts and be cautious. Jermaine and Randy are not close because of what happened but their greed unites them. The only time these people are "united" or in "unity" is when one or more people agree about the same thing. Then they say the whole family is united. Prince and Paris showed the world that is bs. I know Michael would not have done it but his children have to protect themselves and his legacy because he can't do it for himself anymore and the rules have changed unfortunately.
 
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I think some fans are getting too caught up in this. Considering to contact the judge?? Its really not our business, (even though its been made very public) its not our place to involve ourselves. PPB and the Jacksons have their life, and each one of you has yours. There isn't much sense getting all heated about what is going on in their life because you don't know them most of you have never even met them and also, whatever happens with them is out of your control. I would advise to just wish them the best and #Chillout. Go enjoy the weather or something. I hope none of you take this the wrong way, but only you know if it applies to you.

Look! I don’t appreciate the condescending tone in this post. What I choose to do with my time is my business and I consider it disrespectful to be told to chill out. It would be much more constructive if you would simply state your opinions and leave the advice about others alone.
 
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debbie is not his mother its just a mistake. they got his date of birth wrong too. the lack of stringency in documents is irritaying though, does anyone kno if this a frequent occurance in the legal world? if i were a judge and someone submitted error filled documents i'd throw them back at them and make them file a damn accurate one.

That goes to show how some wills could have children's names misspelled and the state different, so maybe these errors happen a lot. My second name was misspelled on my birth certificate too.

Is Randy going to go after the errors in the custody papers and say the doc is not valid. I am ashamed to say it, but I wait for Randy's wild tweets and X17 reports so that I can have a good laugh. I know it is wrong to laugh at the insane, but I think in this situation it is ok.
 
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It' not our business but it's okay to express concern especially to the 3 children who lost their dad and their guardian is taken from them. The family made it public business with their ridiculous letter and lying about their own mother and niece and nephews. Going on radio shows and tv to promote their agenda. Prince and Paris reached out to the world and that includes their father's fans for support and help. What ever Jermaine, Randy, Rebbie and Janet tried to do got ruined by Prince and Paris and the public. We don't know or met them but in a way twitter and showing support publically helped them with a tough situation that should never have happened. Honestly who knows if Katherine would have been back with them now. People should look at the actions of the family especially non fans and maybe they will start to think that if they can lie about their mother like that they can lie about Michael like they have in the past. People believe them because they were his family but it's obvious they hardly ever saw him and didn't know much about his life as they want people to believe. It happens in families all the time when people grow apart and distance themselves as Michael did from his and people can now see why he did.

Everyone knew how much Michael loved his children. Many kids their age are not going to be inheriting a large estate as they will and everyone doesn't want to see them threatened or bullied or cheated what is theirs.
 
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The kids are not going to end up diana ross. we need to stop entering her into the coversation and stay planted in reality. it will be joint KJ and TJ or just KJ or just TJ. my best bet is the joint and then if KJ dies it will be all TJ. this is what is realistically happening. im good with TJ he's a good dad.

My comments were based on the idea that if something drastic happened to Katherine (which I sincerley hope it does not) who would take over legally without having to file for custody.

On a seperate note Diana does not need the money at all so would be an ideal person to assist for a temporary period. However long term it is not ideal as I do not believe the kids know Diana well (correct me if I am wrong on this point someone.)
 
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Lolz dnt tempt him. i wonder what he does with himself when he is not kidnapping his own mother attempting to kidnap minors and accusing people of intended murder.

Making babies he can't afford to pay for
 
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Yeah diana would be good because of the money thing but she doesnt want the job or to move to where the kids live. it will tj if katherine cant go on. i think tj is alright the judge who i think can sniff bullshit rates him and he is a good dad. besides its really up to prince and paris but they be ok with tj since randy seems to be wary of him lolz. anyone who pisses off randy is on the right track.
 
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I noticed the only person Randy follows in twitter is Janet, no other family members?


Question, how long court/judge will oversee kids wellbeing and guardianship issues, and when Margaret Lodise stops being their ad litem?
 
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I noticed the only person Randy follows in twitter is Janet, no other family members?


He should follow Dr. Phil's.
 
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Yeah diana would be good because of the money thing but she doesnt want the job or to move to where the kids live. it will tj if katherine cant go on. i think tj is alright the judge who i think can sniff bullshit rates him and he is a good dad. besides its really up to prince and paris but they be ok with tj since randy seems to be wary of him lolz. anyone who pisses off randy is on the right track.

Sometimes, someone very much removed from the drama is the right person. Even for a short period. Diana is a canny woman and if the worst came to the worst I'd rather her than anyone who wanted to use PPB to get money. I can't imagine it is a job she volunteer for, but maybe that makes her the best person.
 
Janet Jackson, Others Family Members Barred from Mom’s California Home
MJNA STAFF JULY 29, 2012

(Roland Martin Reports) - The executors of Michael Jackson’s estate have barred a number of the late singer’s siblings, including Janet Jackson, from the California home where their mother, Katherine, is raising the late singers three children.

The details of who is and isn’t allowed onto the Calabas, California is detailed in an email obtained by CNN’s Roland S. Martin.

Howard Weitzman, who represents John McClain and John Branca, sent the email Wednesday to Charles Schultz, an attorney for Mrs. Jackson.

Weitzman writes that after the drama over the last two weeks, which including allegations that Katherine Jackson had gone missing for 10 days and was unable to reach Paris, Prince and Blanket Jackson, which led to her having to share guardianship of the children with another grandchild, TJ Jackson, it is necessary to bar certain family and friends from the property.

“Given the circumstances of the last two weeks, and in order to protect the children and Mrs. Jackson, the Executors believe that it would not be appropriate to allow the following individuals to enter the residence or its grounds and we instruct the security to preclude the following from entering the residence or the grounds: Randy Jackson and any of his children, Janet Jackson, Rebbie Jackson and any of her children, Jermaine Jackson, his wife and any of his children, Janice Smith, or anyone else who was involved in the recent events that led to Mrs. Jackson’s separation from and inability to communicate with Michael’s children, or any agents or representatives of any of these individuals,” Weitzman wrote.

“There will be no other security or drivers allowed on the property except those employed by the Estate of Michael Jackson. Joe Jackson is precluded from entering the property. Howard Mann who is in litigation against the Estate and is working with the Jackson siblings that wrote the “letter” should also not be allowed on the premises.”

The “letter” Weitzman is referring to is the one signed by Randy, Janet, Jermaine, Rebbie and Tito Jackson, alleging that the 2002 will authorizing Branca and McClain to be the executors of estate is fraudulent. Tito later apologized for signing the letter.

“Of course, Paris, Prince and Blanket, T.J. and his brothers, Tito, Marlon, Jackie and their spouses, current security (hired by the Estate), staff (per T.J.), Meg Lodise, Michael Kane, Sandra Ribera, Parry Sanders, Trent Jackson, you (Charles Shultz) and anyone else authorized by T.J. (other than the Excluded Individuals listed above), may enter and remain on the premises,” Weitzman wrote.

Weitzman’s email does not mention Michael’s sister, LaToya, and whether she can visit the property. She has publicly called on her family to stop the infighting.

According to a Jackson family source, the estate is allowed to make such demands because it pays the monthly lease payment on the Calabas home. Katherine Jackson controls the $70,000 monthly stipend the estate allocates to each Jackson child – a total of $210,000 – any way she sees fit, including school costs and other expenses.

Katherine Jackson is currently in the process of trying to purchase the home so the estate won’t be able to dictate such terms, the source said.

Weitzman writes that if law enforcement needs to be made of the letter, Schultz, T.J. Jackson or anyone else is authorized to show it to them.

“It is imperative to the Estate that from this point forward a safe and appropriate environment be provided for Michael Jackson’s children and his mother as well,” Weitzman wrote.

http://www.mjjunderground.com/2012/...ily-members-barred-from-moms-california-home/
 
Re: Michael's mom reported missing /TJ temp Guardianship/Grandma's Home

yes, about time. I hope Katherine never buys the house. Protect MJ's Kids at all costs.
 
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I am very happy and relieved to hear that Randy, Janet, Rebbie and Jermaine are not allowed at the house. At least the children won't have to worry about that.
 
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what i personally dont get it, i dont believe in my country holland if in 1 week parents mess up there is a judge ordering investigations. I mean if you see it through other eyes it could be sampled as katherine mistake in 1 week and a judge is on top of it. I believe its because there the famous jacksons. i dont believe if it where unknown people a judge would immideatly investigate..

maybe it depends on the country.

I think its a good think debbbie is more involved, because they already lost a father they need everyone who love them around.
 
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Oh Wow! I didn't realise that the $70k is what she receives for each child. $210k a month is a heck of a lot of money. No wonder she wanted to keep receiving that.
 
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it's not $70 k per kid
 
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