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What else happened?? I hope things are better now... or not? :fear: :(




KingMikeJ said:
Someone just said on Twitter that Entertainment Tonight showed a preview of an interview with Debbie Rowe and they will air the full interview tomorrow.
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Is that true? :unsure: :doh:
 
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Victory22 said:
I heard Diane Dimond is back on ET to report on the Jackson mess.
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That woman is obsessed with Michael and anything to do with them. Everyone just abuse her, I would but she blocked me ;)

Geez some people do really need to be banned...i really wonder why some people come to MJ boards seriously..
 
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This was one of the worst months of my life so far, just to many things happening to me and the people i care about, i pray Katherine will be fine. She is the closest thing to Michael and i cant imagine how his kids will grow up with out someone like her, at first i thought the story was being exaggerated but now its kind of going out of hand. Again, i pray for her safety! :(
 
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FnH said:
You said 10 days; again, not a fact. You only know that she did no talk to Paris for some time, not factual dates, and time-frames.

Assumptions do not help your case.
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Hold on. We know per lawyer's statement that Katherine left her house sunday July 15.

We know per Katherines lawyer, Marlon, Paris and Prince that Katherine arrived home around 2 am on thursday July 26.

We know per TJs statement to the court that he and the children spoke with Katherine on July 24. That was the first time they spoke with her since she went away.

So we do have a time-frame and actual dates


We KNOW that they were denied contact with her. Didnt you read Prince and Paris tweets? Didnt you see Marlon crying on TV saying he dont know where his mother is and he has not spoken with her.

These are no assumptions, its fact from primary sources.
 
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Aquarius said:
I read somewhere that Joe case was thrown only because he wasn't a beneficiary and that Katherine didn't contest the will because
then she'd be removed as beneficiary, but that the will was not validated. I don't know about wills, but can that be possible?
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I don't know if you got a reply for your question as I'm only on page 243. Anyway, Katherine was allowed to contest the will without her losing her beneficiary status, but she chose not to do so. Apparently, Randy et all are blaming Katherine's lawyer for advising her to drop the contest, and accusing K lawyers are working for Branca too. After all, WHO doesn't work for Branca, lift you hand:)
 
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is it true that jermaine is trying to safe face by saying the fam is one and will be alright???

Jakkes.

I hope the kids are allright, maybe there safe now, im sorry to ask this by is the house owned by the estate that they can choose who walks in or not??
 
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Ingelief said:
is it true that jermaine is trying to safe face by saying the fam is one and will be alright???

Jakkes.

I hope the kids are allright, maybe there safe now, im sorry to ask this by is the house owned by the estate that they can choose who walks in or not??
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Yes, Jermaine is trying to save his face by saying that nonsense but behind the family curtains the drama continue as usual.
Jermaine and some others are trying to convince the public that everything is ok and family is one, but before trying to convince the public, they need to convince themselves. They always keep saying "they" (whoever that might be) trying to break family, but it is themselves that are breaking themselves.

The house is rented by estate for kids and K, not owned.
Ivy posted the statement from the estate. It clarifies the reason and who requested banning some family members.
 
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After, WHO doesn't work for Branca, lift you hand:)
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im still waiting on my pay cheque:big_boss:
 
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elusive moonwalker said:
im still waiting on my pay cheque:big_boss:
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I want to get a job with the estate:D
Then I might have unlimited access to see all the MJ goodies, and first hand knowledge of what MJ stuff is going to come out in the future:wild:
 
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I still don't know what to think of Katherine, was she in this or was she totally unaware of what was going on?
She disappears and no call to kids, on her telly statement from spa, she said she left the phone to reception and didn't want to receive calls, yet the staff from spa said that there are phones in every single room (I took it that they indirectly said that there was a phone in Katherine's room too). Maybe she was in and agreed with Randy's plan about the will, and is now on damage control mode?
Or maybe she just was so out of scoop what was going on?
Very messy thing altogether!
 
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damn if all of us are Branca plants dude sure owes us a fortune by now.

Branca I want that damn money!!!
 
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Bubs said:
Yes, Jermaine is trying to save his face by saying that nonsense but behind the family curtains the drama continue as usual.
Jermaine and some others are trying to convince the public that everything is ok and family is one, but before trying to convince the public, they need to convince themselves. They always keep saying "they" (whoever that might be) trying to break family, but it is themselves that are breaking themselves.
thank you :)

The house is rented by estate for kids and K, not owned.
Ivy posted the statement from the estate. It clarifies the reason and who requested banning some family members.
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my internet is so slow i cant open all pages, on which one did ivy told the reason?

Im so sad, that this all is happening, i feel so for those kids... first losing michael there dad and then this.. and despite all they still look gracefull in the news by holding on to michaels message. love

I would be going nuts if i where them.

Im listening to michaels music it helps
 
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Ingelief said:
my internet is so slow i cant open all pages, on which one did ivy told the reason?
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Estate statement in regards to people not allowed in Calabasas Residence send to ET

"Following the events of July 23 in which certain members of the Jackson family showed up unannounced at the Calabasas residence of Michael Jackson's mother and children, causing a very public disturbance, the attorneys for the Estate of Michael Jackson as lessees of the house were requested by Charles Schultz, attorney for TJ Jackson, Jr., the newly appointed Temporary Guardian for Michael Jackson's children, to send a list to the security gate of people neither TJ or the children wanted allowed on the premises in view of the incidents that had just taken place. The list may be amended and managed by TJ Jackson Jr. or the Estate when appropriate. It is imperative to the Estate that from this point forward a safe and appropriate environment be provided for Michael Jackson's children and his mother."

http://www.etonline.com/news/123790_...alabasas_Home/

Also see: http://edition.cnn.com/2012/07/30/showbiz/jackson-family-peace/index.html
 
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marebear said:
Randy will never be the children's guardian. He is delusional to think that would ever happen. All the kids have to do is say no. The fact that the judge took Katherine's guardianship away and the fact the judge wants to talk to the kids shows that many things did happen. The truth is that what the Jacksons tried to do and their actions were down right scary to watch last week. They actually said their mom had a mini stroke which she says did not happen and then she loses guardianship because of them. They wanted to make their own mother look unfit so Randy or one of them could take over for her. The whole thing is about money.They got exposed to the world of their greed and manipulations. They also lost the respect and trust of Michael's children.
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I don't think it was possibility that Randy would become the guardian for kids. Wouldn't they check the person's history before guardianship is granted? Randy has a history beating his own 14 month old child,
and his wife,
and not paying child support,
and his personal life generally is not nothing to be proud of
and snatching granny:)
It wouldn't look good if after all that this person gets guardianship.
 
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Yes that too, of course kids would have been asked and I think they rather be on their own, than have Randy as guardian.
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I was thinking what Paris thinks of that most of family members have gone to telly talking about how Michael was drug addict and they staged many interventions?
Paris Jackso? ?@ParisJackson
the same doctor that testified on behalf of dr murray saying my father was a drug addict (a lie) is caring for my grandmother... just saying

Btw, its funny that for family it is ok to go national tv to air family business such as MJ so called drug addiction, but when Paris asks vie twitter where is her granny, it is not ok? Double standards. As long it is not about themselves it is ok, but if it is directed at them, the hell is going to break loose :no:
 
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Bubs said:
I don't know if you got a reply for your question as I'm only on page 243. Anyway, Katherine was allowed to contest the will without her losing her beneficiary status, but she chose not to do so. Apparently, Randy et all are blaming Katherine's lawyer for advising her to drop the contest, and accusing K lawyers are working for Branca too. After all, WHO doesn't work for Branca, lift you hand:)
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Thank you so much. Didn't know she had the opportunity to do it. Thanks.
 
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Bubs said:
I don't know how can you blame the estate is doing this as it was Paris whose tweets alerted media about what is going on in Jackson camp? Without her, this mess would never be played out in public.
Most importantly, lets not forget this:
As long as I can remember my dad had repeatedly warned me of certain people and their ways. Although I am happy my grandma was returned, after speaking with her I realized how misguided and how badly she was lied to
-Michael Jackson Jr.
If you need to blame anyone, at least direct it to one that started it, Randy &Co.

As for MJ never liked or trusted Branca is an exaggeration. If MJ never liked Branca, it is funny indeed to agree to be Branca's best-man in his wedding, appoint him to be executor of his will (1998 and 2002). MJ was told that Branca was doing dirty behind his back and had him checked as one would expect him to do so, it turned out to be that Branca wasn't doing anything behind of MJ's back.

It was Michael himself who pushed himself away from his family. He had no other option than to keep his sanity, he had to keep family at arms length. Not even once he went to stay with any of his family member when he needed a solace and peaceful place to stay, not even once. That should tell you something how MJ felt about his family, he rather stayed with Connie and Dominic Cascio for 4 months than went to stay with any family member.




I think the investigation is still ongoing and hope they get sent to jail for scaring the kids :angry:
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Somebody was asking about when is the next date about kids guardian.
Future Hearings
08/22/2012 at 10:30 am in department 5 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
APPT. GUARDIAN OF PERSON (OK TO SET FOR 08-22-12 IN D-5)

08/22/2012 at 10:00 am in department 5 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
MOTION - SEAL COURT RECORDS
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So it may seem that the only family members that PPB have left are Katherine but when she dies then what happens. Does the estate take over the raising of the children. I hope not because I think PPB would like some family members around them. I dont think they can speak to Jaffar & Co now so there is a terrible rift between cousins at this moment. I sure hope things can be resolved much better.
 
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Hang on, if the plan was to cut Katherine off from PPB and therefore lose guardianship, why was it so wrong (in their eyes) for Paris to Tweet about her grandmother being missing? Didn't that play into their hands? I would've thought they'd be pleased that it was all going to plan.
 
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KingMikeJ said:
Someone just said on Twitter that Entertainment Tonight showed a preview of an interview with Debbie Rowe and they will air the full interview tomorrow.
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It's gonna be interesting to hear what Debbie has to say. Her and Michael have probably talked about potential guardians for the children at some point and maybe he's told her why he didn't want Joeseph and his siblings around the kids. Maybe that's what she's gonna shed some light on.

If someone in the US could tape this and upload it for for those of us outside the US it would be really great :)
 
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I'm very interested to hear what Debbie has to say, she's always been one of the good guys IMO...I don't think she'd ever try take custody but she would know ALOT about that family and I think would have very strong opinions on what should and will happen.
She's a force to be reckoned with..just like her daughter, that's what I love about both of them!
 
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I think Janet's role in this take over were for her to get guardianshp of the PPB. Because Randy, Jermaine, Tito knew they would'nt stand a chance, but Janet would be the logical choice of becomeing guarding of PPB. Janet would take charge.
 
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mdiegee210 said:
I think Janet's role in this take over were for her to get guardianshp of the PPB. Because Randy, Jermaine, Tito knew they would'nt stand a chance, but Janet would be the logical choice of becomeing guarding of PPB. Janet would take charge.
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Or Rebbie. Since, it would appear, she has a more "stable" home enviornment and wouldn't be moving around like Janet does.

And to be honest, I always "figured" that Rebbie would be next in line because she is basically a stay-at-home mother, but now we know that TJ was always next in line and that he is the one who has had a major hand in the raising of Michael's 3-children.

In my opinion, after the investigation is complete, I wouldn't be at all surprised if Katherine Jackson does not get back permanent guardianship. I can definitely see the Judge having an opinion as to Mother's age and more importantly, the influence her children MAY (and I'm being generous when I use the word "MAY") still have on her.

In my further opinion, Katherine's offspring will NEVER give up on whispering in her ear.

P.S. I also like the fact Judge Beckloff used the phrase "third party interference." He knows what time it is!
 
Evidence is sparse that Michael Jackson’s will is a fake
by Kevin Noble Maillard | July 31, 2012 at 8:31 AM

Is Michael Jackson’s will valid? It depends on who you ask. Janet, Randy, Rebbie, and Jermaine Jackson argue that the executors of their late brother’s estate falsified the will. Their primary argument centers on the discrepancy between the date of the will’s execution and Jackson’s location at that time it was signed. The will was executed on July 7, 2002 in Los Angeles, the same weekend that Michael Jackson was reportedly in New York City. Randy Jackson observed in an interview on Politics Nation with Al Sharpton on MSNBC that Michael “cannot be in two places at one time.”

Even Al Sharpton attested to Michael’s location. “He was in fact in Harlem with me that weekend. That Saturday he was there,” Sharpton concurred on his show. “That Sunday we were out together, and that Monday, he was with Johnny Cochran and I.”

The siblings strongly argue that the conflict of Michael’s location and the stated place of execution proves that the will is false. They claim they are not interested in money, but rather in the proper administration of the estate. In his MSNBC interview, Randy Jackson said that the executors are “using the children to try and put pressure on my mom to try and come out and get her to say things in their favor to kind of clean up their image. They know that they’ve been caught. They know that they falsified a document. And they know that there are questions we want answered.”

Yet, executors John Branca and John McClain insist that their actions are in alignment with Michael’s testamentary intent and his children’s beneficiary interests. In other words, they are just doing their job to see that Michael Jackson’s will is carried out. They have a special duty to serve the interests of the people named in Michael Jackson’s will (which was accepted as valid by the courts): Katherine, Prince, Paris, and Blanket Jackson.

In many will contests, family members feel entitled to object to the distribution of the estate. Siblings, also known as collateral heirs, often object when disinherited. In reality, not even children are entitled to distribution, as the selection of beneficiaries is entirely left up to the testator. The only person entitled to a minimum share is a surviving spouse, which Jackson did not have. So, the Jackson siblings have no claim on Michael’s estate on the basis of kinship ties.

In addition, no part of Jackson’s will or family trust includes his brothers and sisters. His will makes no mention of his siblings, and neither does his trust—two different documents, both signed on different dates. Michael’s will is actually very short, and only names his executors, beneficiaries, and intention to create a trust. The will directs his executors to “pour” all of his property into the trust, which is a separate written document that goes into much greater detail about distribution. Like the will, the trust—which is uncontested—leaves nothing to his siblings.

The Jackson siblings may have standing to object to the will as blood relatives, yet their brother had no intention of an estate plan that included them. Because there are two documents that fail to mention the siblings, the validity scale tips in favor of Michael Jackson’s executors, because all of Jackson’s actions show that he wanted to provide only for his mother and children.

The siblings are placing a lot of weight on the will’s signature to prove or disprove validity, which is unlikely to be the sole factor of consideration. In order to assess the validity of a will, courts look to extrinsic evidence. This allows a court to resolve any ambiguities, like a flawed description, an incorrect address, or a questionable signature. There would have to be much more extrinsic evidence demonstrating that the current will did not represent the interests of the testator than just the location question.

The trust instrument, dated March 2002, coincides with the intent of the will, dated July 2002. Seven years passed between the execution of the will and Jackson’s death. The named beneficiaries—Michael’s Jackson’s children—are the unsurprising recipients of the testator’s bounty in both the will and the trust documents. Right now, the extrinsic evidence in the form of the trust puts more weight in favor of the will being authentic.

The siblings may argue that the executors replaced Michael’s interests with their own in a falsified version of the will, but they lack sufficient evidence to prove that Michael wanted anything other than to leave everything to his kids with his mother to guide them. His brother’s intent is clear, even if the nature of the signature is ambiguous.

Kevin Noble Maillard is a professor of law at Syracuse University. Follow him on Twitter at @noblemaillard.

http://thegrio.com/2012/07/31/evide...s:katherine-blanket-prince-paris-jackson-16x9
 
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I am happy Rebbie was not said to be in second in line after Katherine.. she's a snake. I don't trust her one bit
 
ivy;3682521 said:
Evidence is sparse that Michael Jackson’s will is a fake
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I totally agree with this article.

First of all, from the beginning of time, folks that are NOT included, always have a problem because they have not been included and those same folks will then call the document a fake.

Secondly, and more importantly, since the first day Randy started complaining about the will, his claim has always been on the "location" of the signature. Which we know only involves one of the witnesses (I believe that's the story).

Randy has been talking about that since day one, and that's all he has done since day one. TALK, TALK, TALK.

In their letter, they threatened to take their "evidence" to the proper authorities. I'm still waiting for them to do so. Times a wasting!
 
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I guess one could describe me as a "Jackson Family Hater"; so I'm defintely was not surprised at what some of them did to MJ's children. But, I'm not happy. This all now makes me very sad. I just saw a Youtube video of Paris at a Library/Bookstore. I think she was accompanied by members of TJ's family; but she looked ever so sad, afraid, and alone. She needs a lot of love from people she can trust. The teenage years are so difficult. My God, its a pity that none of Michael's siblings will "Put Their Hand Out".
Where's that crazy LaToya?

I pray TJ's family will continue to be there for Michael's children, and I am thankful to them. Let's all keep praying for the well being of

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Michael Jackson Jr., Paris-Katherine, and Prince Michael II.
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and pray God is allowing their father to watch over them from Heaven. :angel:
 
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