Michael's mom reported missing /Grandma's Home/TJ appointed Co/Guardian with Katherine

Re: Michael's mom reported missing /TJ temp Guardianship/Grandma's Home

"Why now" is an important question that needs to be answered as well.

I personally do not believe it took them 3 years to realize or they were so shocked with Michael's death that they couldn't think about this for 3 years. Because from the start Katherine and Joe challenged Executors. Katherine pursued it for several months and Joe for over a year. This is not the first time Randy talked about the will or negatively about the Executors, so they had these concerns from the start. and 3 years is a long time to just realize it.

so why now?

could it be AEG lawsuit? We know the depositions were ongoing, Tito, Rebbie and Katherine was deposed and Jermaine was scheduled. Perhaps the rest of the depositions is completed too. Is this related to the AEG lawsuit and it seems like AEG has the upper hand in that lawsuit - hence no chance of the $100 M win?

is it because of the flawed stories of Estate will be debt free by the end of the year? Note : Estate will only finish Mijac debt by year end, sony/atv loan will be continued to be paid?

is it Katherine's age? and trying to get control or money before she dies?

I mean I don't know but "why now?" really really puzzles me.

You also forgot about Prince turning 18 soon. he's 15 and 6 months. 2 years and 6 months to go. when that happens the allowance KJ get will be reduced significantly and given to Prince directly. Also, at that age (18), he could be eligible to have a say in the Estate affairs.

All in all, I agree that time is running out for the rogue 3. The window of opportunity is closing down quick.
 
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Janet and Rebbie have ALWAYS been the most level headed in that family ! So obviously something is up....

Really? The Rebbie who befriends people who constantly call Michael a pedophile and write books about him being a child molester? Rebbie's betrayal of Michael is almost as bad as LaToya's in 1993.
 
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Actually Branca supported Michael and knew he was not a pedo. He made a comment that people would do anything for money, and that information is here in a thread in the forum. There is so much stuff here that I cannot remember where, so simple because we have not seen or heard something, it does not mean it does not exist.

Exactly. Branca always said he did not believe the accusations. Unlike some people in Michael's family...
 
"The guy who works should eat. It’s that simple." Michael Jackson
 
Re: Michael's mom reported missing /TJ temp Guardianship/Grandma's Home

As a fan, I really appreciated people who supported. I think it would have meant alot to Michael, the fans supporting meant alot to him.

I especially looked to see what John Branca said after Michael passed. I was extremely disappointed.

And what do you think about Rebbie's friendship with Stacy Brown? What do you think about LaToya's claims in 1993? Or her hugging of Victor Gutierrez in 2010? What do you think about Jermaine's connections with Stacy Brown?

There are even more ugly rumors about the family, like Rebbie's husband, Nathaniel (who always disliked Michael) calling Michael a pedo face to face during the trial. I admit this one may be just a rumor, but considering Rebbie's support for Stacy Brown actually it would not be out of character for them. When Rebbie gave an interview during the trial, instead of defending Michael she only complained about how badly this whole case reflects on her and her family. Kind of blaming Michael for it...

But I guess Branca not going to every news outlet that there is shouting his belief in Michael's innocence (actually he did express his belief in Michael's innocence) is the thing that we need to attack and pick apart now...

The double standards you guys have is amazing.

Branca was on the defense's witness list. Rebbie's friend testified for the prosecution...
 
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And what do you think about Rebbie's friendship with Stacy Brown? What do you think about LaToya's claims in 1993? Or her hugging of Victor Gutierrez in 2010? What do you think about Jermaine's connections with Stacy Brown?

There are even more ugly rumors about the family, like Rebbie's husband, Nathaniel (who always disliked Michael) calling Michael a pedo face to face during the trial. I admit this one may be just a rumor, but considering Rebbie's support for Stacy Brown actually it would not be out of character for them. When Rebbie gave an interview during the trial, instead of defending Michael she only complained about how badly this whole case reflects on her and her family. Kind of blaming Michael for it...

But I guess Branca not going to every news outlet that there is shouting his belief in Michael's innocence (actually he did express his belief in Michael's innocence) is the thing that we need to attack and pick apart now...

The double standards you guys have is amazing.

Branca was on the defense's witness list. Rebbie's friend testified for the prosecution...

gotta admit, that's some bombshell stuff.
i know only flies on the wall can know the whole truth..but this sure shakes some foundations...
i am far from related to Michael..yet, everytime i go on message boards, or come back from a long break from Michael's music, only to long to go back to it, because of the crap that is out there now, that is not his music...i still come to commentary on MJ youtube videos, from haters...that still wave that child molester accusation flag...and i want to kill them, in my heart. So if it is true...why would a brother or sister or any relative of Michael, befriend someone, or marry someone who would call him the worst possible thing on earth?
 
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I've been going through this thread and I have nothing to add expect from I am just as disgusted as everyone else with these Jacksons. Poor Michael. I don't understand what he did to ever get the crap he got from the time he was a kid, all throughout his life and even now! Someone give the man a break.
 
Re: Michael's mom reported missing /TJ temp Guardianship/Grandma's Home

"Why now" is an important question that needs to be answered as well.

I personally do not believe it took them 3 years to realize or they were so shocked with Michael's death that they couldn't think about this for 3 years. Because from the start Katherine and Joe challenged Executors. Katherine pursued it for several months and Joe for over a year. This is not the first time Randy talked about the will or negatively about the Executors, so they had these concerns from the start. and 3 years is a long time to just realize it.

so why now?

could it be AEG lawsuit? We know the depositions were ongoing, Tito, Rebbie and Katherine was deposed and Jermaine was scheduled. Perhaps the rest of the depositions is completed too. Is this related to the AEG lawsuit and it seems like AEG has the upper hand in that lawsuit - hence no chance of the $100 M plus win?

is it because of the flawed media stories of Estate will be debt free by the end of the year? Note : Estate will only finish Mijac debt by year end, sony/atv loan will be continued to be paid. Although it's safe to say that debt is significantly reduced.

is it Katherine's age? and trying to get control or money before she dies?

I mean I don't know but "why now?" really really puzzles me.


I think this is a very valid point. At the moment Katherine can get some money for her children. Once she has gone, the gravy train stops. I cannot see Prince or Paris paying for their Uncle's and Aunt's bills when they or their kids fall on hard times.

It is all so sad.
 
ivy;3685411 said:
"Why now" is an important question that needs to be answered as well.

I personally do not believe it took them 3 years to realize or they were so shocked with Michael's death that they couldn't think about this for 3 years. Because from the start Katherine and Joe challenged Executors. Katherine pursued it for several months and Joe for over a year. This is not the first time Randy talked about the will or negatively about the Executors, so they had these concerns from the start. and 3 years is a long time to just realize it.

so why now?

could it be AEG lawsuit? We know the depositions were ongoing, Tito, Rebbie and Katherine was deposed and Jermaine was scheduled. Perhaps the rest of the depositions is completed too. Is this related to the AEG lawsuit and it seems like AEG has the upper hand in that lawsuit - hence no chance of the $100 M plus win?

is it because of the flawed media stories of Estate will be debt free by the end of the year? Note : Estate will only finish Mijac debt by year end, sony/atv loan will be continued to be paid. Although it's safe to say that debt is significantly reduced.

is it Katherine's age? and trying to get control or money before she dies?

I mean I don't know but "why now?" really really puzzles me.


I think the AEG depositions were the catalyst for this all out war. The family seemed appalled by the extent of questions being asked and how personal in nature they were to them individually. That's why I think Tito got initially involved. He perhaps got so pissed by the questions that everything that brother Randy and Jermaine were already spewing now had credence for him. Since the estate prohibited some information about Michael, but didn’t protect other family members, they seem to feel the estate is in cohoots with AEG. They even copied AEG on their letter.

I also think they might really dislike some of the estate's recent projects, like MJ being that slot machine or whatever in Vegas. I can see something like that not sitting well with Janet.

With Randy and Jermaine, even with child support requests aside, I have a feeling they have been offering their services or making suggestions and the estate has responded with constant NO's, turning a complete deaf ear to them. That rejection has festered resentment to the point that they hate them, and hate everybody who sides with them, i.e. Katherine's reps, Trent, etc. Everybody is a plant. Who knows? Perhaps one of Katherine's advisers has actually suggested she just drop the AEG suit, especially if there is any truth to it upping her blood pressure.


Randy in particular just seethes with hate. That letter was filled with pent up rage IMO. It went on about things done to the family through the estate. When you read his tweets, you realize how much that letter is Randy’s voice. It was about HIM being disrepected, as if HE was someone the estate was doing wrong to, and the fact is, he is nothing to the estate. He doesn't count.

There could be other things going on in his life now too and the estate just represents all the bad of it to him. Whatever is happening with him, he’s lost his grip. He’s even talking about his mother’s life being in danger from the estate when their position doesn’t change whether she’s dead or alive.
 
respect77;3685418 said:
Really? The Rebbie who befriends people who constantly call Michael a pedophile and write books about him being a child molester? Rebbie's betrayal of Michael is almost as bad as LaToya's in 1993.

respect77;3685425 said:
And what do you think about Rebbie's friendship with Stacy Brown?
There are even more ugly rumors about the family, like Rebbie's husband, Nathaniel (who always disliked Michael) calling Michael a pedo face to face during the trial. I admit this one may be just a rumor, but considering Rebbie's support for Stacy Brown actually it would not be out of character for them. When Rebbie gave an interview during the trial, instead of defending Michael she only complained about how badly this whole case reflects on her and her family. Kind of blaming Michael for it...


What exactly do you consider her betrayal of Michael?

There is this telephone interview that was on Abrams on MSNBC:

Guests: Rebbie Jackson, Rev. Jesse Jackson, Wayne Swanson, Mike Kirby, Randi Canady, Roger Webster, Ken Lawson


ANNOUNCER: From Santa Barbara, California, this is THE ABRAMS REPORT.
Here now is Dan Abrams.
DAN ABRAMS, HOST: Hi, everyone. Tonight the latest on the Michael
Jackson case. Charges haven’t even been filed yet, but many are rushing to
his defense. Tonight two of Michael Jackson’s biggest supporters join us -
” his sister Rebbie and the Reverend Jesse Jackson will both be on the program.


(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Dru, we will find you.
(END VIDEO CLIP)

ABRAMS: But, first, tonight I am coming to you from Santa Barbara, California, as we bring you the most up-to-date information on the Michael Jackson case. It’s now been 13 days since he turned himself into Santa Barbara County police. Formal charges are not expected for another two weeks. The Jackson family has been overwhelmed by media attention. This was Michael Jackson’s brother Jermaine Jackson yesterday visiting the United Nations in New York. He literally had to run from the press.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Have you talked to your brother? How is he doing?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did you have Thanksgiving with your brother? Did you have Thanksgiving with your brother, Jermaine?
(CROSSTALK)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (UNINTELLIGIBLE)
(FOOTSTEPS)
(END VIDEO CLIP)
ABRAMS: Joining me now on the live line is Michael Jackson’s eldest sister Rebbie. Thank you very much for coming on the program. We appreciate it.
REBBIE Jackson, MICHAEL JACKSON’S SISTER: You’re welcome.
ABRAMS: Now you are in Las Vegas, I understand. Have you had a chance to speak with your brother, Michael?
R. JACKSON: I have seen him, and I have been with the kids as well.
And.
ABRAMS: How is he doing?
R. JACKSON: . the entire situation is very disheartening. It’s very ugly.
ABRAMS: And what is he saying about all of this?
R. JACKSON: Not a whole lot. You know, it’s very-it’s so-I can’t even find the right words to express how I feel. My major concern more than anything is not just the way it’s being handled, but more than anything is how it affects the kids and the family, the rest of the family. He is not the only one that’s being targeted. It’s very, very ugly. And the children have to deal with a lot, and they can’t go to school, and they have to deal with listening to other kids negative things that are being said, and just holding your head up, it’s very, very, very wrong.
ABRAMS: Well, tell me about what the kids have been enduring? A lot of people have been asking what do the kids know, how much do they know, how are they dealing with all this? If you could tell us a little bit more about that.
R. JACKSON: Well, you know, everything is on television, and if it’s not on TV, it’s on the radio, so it’s everywhere you go and so they see that. It’s on the news continually. And of course, kids are innocent you might as well say, but then on the other hand, they speak their minds or they speak and say what they hear others say, and they actually-they’re like a parrot you might say, and so, as a result what they do is they bring this to the kids, and they tease them about it because kids can be harsh at times, and as a result these kids are affected greatly by it. They choose to stay at home because they can’t contend with it. It’s just a little bit too much.
ABRAMS: So.
R. JACKSON: . emotionally.
ABRAMS: I apologize. Other kids have been saying to them, you know, your dad is X, Y, or Z. I mean, tell me how has this been happening. Have they, you know, has this been happening at school.
R. JACKSON: Not your dad. Your uncle. It’s just a way of life. I mean you know it’s always been that way. My-even my son, for example, when he was very young, kids used to attack him at school and they used to label him with the name as being a child molester because he is like his uncle, and that’s, you know, it’s not a pretty scene at all.
ABRAMS: What do Michael Jackson’s kids know about this, if anything?
R. JACKSON: I don’t want to get into that.
ABRAMS: OK. Let me ask you, you have been speaking a lot about the kids, and I know that you have been very outspoken on the issue of the custody of the kids. I want you to listen to Gloria Allred. I know you wanted to respond to this. Let me just play a piece of sound from her, and then I want to give you an opportunity to respond. Here is Gloria Allred talking about Michael Jackson’s children.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
GLORIA ALLRED, VICTIMS’ RIGHTS ATTORNEY: Grounds exist in my opinion for the department to immediately intervene and take appropriate steps to insure the wellbeing of Mr. Jackson’s children under his custody and control.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
ABRAMS: Your response?
R. JACKSON: Well, I think she is speaking in the dark. I think she’s
” she appears to be always in the media, and it’s to draw attention to whatever the issue may be at stake at the time and with her. I think she’s speaking in the dark because she’s very ignorant of what any of us are about. I heard that it was said also that no one in the family would be qualified, or something along those lines. I don’t know the exact expression she used, but she knows nothing about our character, and especially mine for sure. And I’m just concerned about everyone that’s involved in general, and that’s my main reason for speaking right now especially because, as I said earlier and I’ve reiterated it so many times, you know, people are human and they have feelings, and they have to live with this. People meaning the children as well as other members in the family, and it affects everyone.

ABRAMS: Let me ask you one other question. Do you think that Michael Jackson is a fit father? I mean, even-let’s assume for a minute that he is innocent, as you believe that he is of these charges. You know he still made comments about sleeping in bed with children. A lot of people find him to be very odd at the least. Do you think that he is a fit parent?
R. JACKSON: When you say fit parent, what do you mean? Can you explain yourself? Because I really would.
ABRAMS: Sure.
R. JACKSON: . like to know-in the kind of society.
ABRAMS: Sure.
R. JACKSON: . we live in today, what is a fit parent.
ABRAMS: Sure. Sure.
R. JACKSON: . because I have seen so many.
ABRAMS: Sure. Sure. Sure. Well, a parent who is qualified and who is of sound mind enough to raise children who will in no way harm those children even if it means psychologically.
R. JACKSON: I think so. I really do. I feel personally that because of what he has done with his career and where he is at and with so many entertainers I have to say as well, you know, sometimes it’s a matter of self-control. I feel personally knowing when to say no, and when I say know when to say no what I simply mean is that many things may be lawful, but not all things are advantageous. You have a right to be with children. I mean, you know, children are around us all the time, but because of the attitudes that people have with him, he might want to step back and look at that situation and decide, well, maybe because of the way the public views him or what they have said, because I definitely feel that he should think seriously about, you know, decisions made in that area, but as far as his kids are concerned, yes, I think he is a good father. Yes, I definitely do.
ABRAMS: Rebbie Jackson, thank you very much for coming on the program. We appreciate it.
R. JACKSON: You’re welcome.



Just my opinion, she could have done a much better interview but she did defend her brother. It is my recollection that she was very upset, it was a phone interview so I just went by her voice. It was short, I think she should have made better points with her air time but I would never consider that a betrayal. As far as her saying she was concerned about the rest of the family, that's totally understandable & doesn't take away from Michael. Obvious to me she loves all her family & she's a really nice person.

I do not know to what extent she is really friends with Stacy Brown, I have never seen her asked that question.

As far as rumors...better to get the facts.
 
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Yes, we all did and the bottom line is they never found anything against him. Even David Legrand, during the trial, said Branca is a great lawyer. Mark Geragos said a few months after MJ's death that he wasn't surprised by the choice of Branca because MJ trusted him. Don't forget the Number booklet too, MJ thanked him for his present work. The booklet was probably written in 2003 because he thanked Alan Whtiman who first hired in 2003.
 
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These were mere suspicions at the time when MJ and Tommy Motola were having issues. An investigation of Branca in 2003 led nowhere as it turned out that Branca did no wrong. Thomas Mesereau confirmed that during the 2005 trial.
 
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I wonder what you guys are gonna say in a year or two .. when Branca sells MJ's Catalogue and his ownership of Sony's Catalogue to "pay debt" and for the betterment of the estate .. hmm ... OPEN YOUR EYES !!

to be honestly: My eyes were opened before 3 years when AllGood claims 300 millions from the MJ-Estate.... and at the same time Joe and Katherine Jackson proclaim their Gary-museum-projekt with costs about 300 millions.
(in the Allgood suit you can read what was been Joe's role at this deal)

And curious: When the Estate had won the AllGood suit the Gary-projekt was dead in the same time.
Of course it could be an accident..... or not!
If the Estate had lost this suit they have had to sell the catalogue.
 
jrsfan;3685068 said:
John Branca never publicly supported him in 93 that I recall nor in 2005. After he died, he never said he believed Michael Jackson was an innocent man. If he did I missed it. He did not ever pay his respects after he passed.

He had numerous conflicts of interest when he worked for Michael in regards to Sony. Michael did not hire John Branca back.

John McClain also has conflicts of interest:

http://www.allmusic.com/artist/john-mcclain-mn0001740224
Honestly I don't really believe it would make such a big deal even if he did support him publicly. I mean he's not such a broadly known figure in the media so that he could even slightly contribute to the public opinion. I think it was much more important that Elizabeth Taylor supported him or Sharon Stone and others, names everybody knew and still knows!

camille;3685245 said:
omG i have been reading the posts in this thread .. and i am appalled ... Michael would not want this ... Janet is worth 150 million and is dating a billionaire .. she obviously has no interest in Michael's money !

I mean Michael himself stated to anyone that would listen ... that he was afraid of the men in charge and scared for his life and that they sought to kill him ..

and now here it is that Janet, Rebbie and Randy are saying the same thing about these people and everyone is accusing them of nonsense.

Janet and Rebbie have ALWAYS been the most level headed in that family ! So obviously something is up....

It is obvious Janet loves her mother... IT IS HER MOTHER ... Paris and Prince are children and they may not understand fully what is going on..

Let sense prevail and don't treat this family the way you guys hated that Michael was treated .. with suspicions, accusations and hate !!

Michael always defended Janet and vice versa !!

I wonder what you guys are gonna say in a year or two .. when Branca sells MJ's Catalogue and his ownership of Sony's Catalogue to "pay debt" and for the betterment of the estate .. hmm ... OPEN YOUR EYES !!
I have already asked this question once but don't recall getting an answer - Does the executor even have the possibility to sell parts of the Estate?

ivy;3685411 said:
"Why now" is an important question that needs to be answered as well.

I personally do not believe it took them 3 years to realize or they were so shocked with Michael's death that they couldn't think about this for 3 years. Because from the start Katherine and Joe challenged Executors. Katherine pursued it for several months and Joe for over a year. This is not the first time Randy talked about the will or negatively about the Executors, so they had these concerns from the start. and 3 years is a long time to just realize it.

so why now?

could it be AEG lawsuit? We know the depositions were ongoing, Tito, Rebbie and Katherine was deposed and Jermaine was scheduled. Perhaps the rest of the depositions is completed too. Is this related to the AEG lawsuit and it seems like AEG has the upper hand in that lawsuit - hence no chance of the $100 M plus win?

is it because of the flawed media stories of Estate will be debt free by the end of the year? Note : Estate will only finish Mijac debt by year end, sony/atv loan will be continued to be paid. Although it's safe to say that debt is significantly reduced.

is it Katherine's age? and trying to get control or money before she dies?

I mean I don't know but "why now?" really really puzzles me.
I would really like to know what the situation is of this infamous debt! It has been reported the Estate has made like almost $ 500M. How big was the Sony/ATV loan? Wasn't the Mijac loan the smaler one? How come with all the profit they've made they weren't able to repay the bigger debt?

MIST;3685421 said:
"The guy who works should eat. It’s that simple." Michael Jackson
Did Michael really say/write that? When and where? 'Cause if he did I wonder how Randy feels about it!

respect77;3685425 said:
And what do you think about Rebbie's friendship with Stacy Brown? What do you think about LaToya's claims in 1993? Or her hugging of Victor Gutierrez in 2010? What do you think about Jermaine's connections with Stacy Brown?

There are even more ugly rumors about the family, like Rebbie's husband, Nathaniel (who always disliked Michael) calling Michael a pedo face to face during the trial. I admit this one may be just a rumor, but considering Rebbie's support for Stacy Brown actually it would not be out of character for them. When Rebbie gave an interview during the trial, instead of defending Michael she only complained about how badly this whole case reflects on her and her family. Kind of blaming Michael for it...

But I guess Branca not going to every news outlet that there is shouting his belief in Michael's innocence (actually he did express his belief in Michael's innocence) is the thing that we need to attack and pick apart now...

The double standards you guys have is amazing.

Branca was on the defense's witness list. Rebbie's friend testified for the prosecution...

She did what???:bugeyed
 
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omG i have been reading the posts in this thread .. and i am appalled ... Michael would not want this ...

And i believe that Michael wouldn't not have wanted his family doing the things that they are doing.



Janet is worth 150 million and is dating a billionaire .. she obviously has no interest in Michael's money !


Interesting. I thought that human life was priceless. Guess in some countries that's not the case. If Janet had no interest in Michael's money then she shouldn't have signed that letter because i don't think that she would have wanted her brothers do the same to her hard earning money which from what i have see the last days she values more that anything. She above all should be ashamed of herself.



I mean Michael himself stated to anyone that would listen ... that he was afraid of the men in charge and scared for his life and that they sought to kill him ..

and now here it is that Janet, Rebbie and Randy are saying the same thing about these people and everyone is accusing them of nonsense.

Janet and Rebbie have ALWAYS been the most level headed in that family ! So obviously something is up....

It is obvious Janet loves her mother... IT IS HER MOTHER ... Paris and Prince are children and they may not understand fully what is going on..

Let sense prevail and don't treat this family the way you guys hated that Michael was treated .. with suspicions, accusations and hate !!

Michael always defended Janet and vice versa !!

I wonder what you guys are gonna say in a year or two .. when Branca sells MJ's Catalogue and his ownership of Sony's Catalogue to "pay debt" and for the betterment of the estate .. hmm ... OPEN YOUR EYES !!

I personally don't like the estate that much but in this case the whole mess is Jacksons family fault. Not the estate's. The Jackson did crazy things and they don't have anyone but themselves to blame for.
 
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Honestly I don't really believe it would make such a big deal even if he did support him publicly. I mean he's not such a broadly known figure in the media so that he could even slightly contribute to the public opinion. I think it was much more important that Elizabeth Taylor supported him or Sharon Stone and others, names everybody knew and still knows!


I have already asked this question once but don't recall getting an answer - Does the executor even have the possibility to sell parts of the Estate?


I would really like to know what the situation is of this infamous debt! It has been reported the Estate has made like almost $ 500M. How big was the Sony/ATV loan? Wasn't the Mijac loan the smaler one? How come with all the profit they've made they weren't able to repay the bigger debt?


Did Michael really say/write that? When and where? 'Cause if he did I wonder how Randy feels about it!



She did what???:bugeyed

If you are talking about Latoya

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BOB7SNGOTA
 
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omG i have been reading the posts in this thread .. and i am appalled ... Michael would not want this ... Janet is worth 150 million and is dating a billionaire .. she obviously has no interest in Michael's money !

No, Michael would be appalled by his family behaviour.
What Janet dating billionaire got to do anything? Just because they are dating, doesn't mean Janet has access to his billions:)
She probably doesn't have interest in Michael's money, but she has interest in her own money and she wants to keep it that way.


I mean Michael himself stated to anyone that would listen ... that he was afraid of the men in charge and scared for his life and that they sought to kill him ..
Did Michael stated that the men he was afraid of were Branca and McCain? No.
I think he meant Tohme and his shady people.


Janet and Rebbie have ALWAYS been the most level headed in that family ! So obviously something is up....

They have been level headed in public, but once you gig deeper, you find quite disturbing things from both of them.

It is obvious Janet loves her mother... IT IS HER MOTHER ... Paris and Prince are children and they may not understand fully what is going on..

According to to their tweets they do understand a lot, and Michael obviously told them about his family shenanigans and to whom watch out.


I wonder what you guys are gonna say in a year or two .. when Branca sells MJ's Catalogue and his ownership of Sony's Catalogue to "pay debt" and for the betterment of the estate .. hmm ... OPEN YOUR EYES !!

You know what, if things get that bad that they have to think about selling the catalogue, I would put the blame on family.
Executors have to spend tons of money for lawsuits that are caused by family. Anyway, I don't think they will sell it as if they managed to earn 425 millions in 3 years, I'm sure they have more tricks on their sleeves how to make more money for the estate.

This is not a reply to your post, but to others that have been talking about Branca, Sony and 5% Branca's stake on ATV.
If I remember right, Branca owned 5% ATV, Sony, 50% and MJ 45%.
If Branca was conspiring with Sony, you would think he would've sold his share 5% to Sony, giving them 55% stake, but no, he sold it back to Michael, therefore keeping Michael and Sony shares equal. It doesn't sound like his is in bed with sony, does it?
 
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Legally, the executors cannot do anything with the estate without court approval. So what's the problem?

The problem is that the executors are making a lot of money from the estate, which they've earned and the Jacksons are not able to benefit from it, nor do they have a say about how the estate is run.

They need to give it up and let it go...that's the way Michael wanted it.

and many people seem to have forgotten M Lodise. She is not just for decoration, she is there to look after kids benefit and is their legal representative. She checks everything what Branca &Co are doing and where money is spent. If there is something fishy going on, she would know it and act accordingly.
 
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and many people seem to have forgotten M Lodise. She is not just for decoration, she is there to look after kids benefit and is their legal representative. She checks everything what Branca &Co are doing and where money is spent. If there is something fishy going on, she would know it and act accordingly.

Yes and I believe the siblings forgot her durign their latest stunt. She is a mandatory reporter so I guess she had to speak to the judge about the facts that the kids couldn't speak to their legal guardian.
 
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That's him? I totally thought Gutierrez was an older dude. I can still visualize an older guy also making allegations against Michael, having seen this and that... Did anyone else, who used to work at Neverland, go public against Michael on TV or by writing a book?
 
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Re the whole will was signed in Los Angeles but MJ was in NY.

I mean, his visit in NYC at that time were highly publicized. That was the time MJ was going against Mottola and said those stuff about him. Im pretty sure that all those witnesses with Michael (his former assosciates like Trudy Green and B Siegel) would remember that Michael was in NYC, so IF they wanted to falsify the will, they probably should have picked another date or whatever.

I trulu believe its a honest mistake that he signed Los Angeles.

I don't. I think who forged the will forgot to check a calendar & chose the date because it needed to be far enough back that Branca would have been working for Michael. I think they may have chosen July 7 - date would be the 7 month, the 7th day.
 
I don't bother posting the rest of the article as it's not important, Only this bit made me laugh
Michael Jackson’s Former Spiritual Adviser Rabbi Shmuley: The Jacksons Are ‘Ravaged by Fame’ and ‘Need an Intervention’

He got that right.
 
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I don't. I think who forged the will forgot to check a calendar & chose the date because it needed to be far enough back that Branca would have been working for Michael. I think they may have chosen July 7 - date would be the 7 month, the 7th day.

You have forgotten one very important thing regarding Michael's Will.
When Branca took the Will court, he did not know that the Will he had, was the latest one.
If Michael, according to Randy, hated Branca and McClain so much, Michael would have run to other law firm and asked them to draw new Will. No chance he would have overlooked such an enormous detail and left his Will without updating new executors details.

That new Will would have overthrown the Will Branca had. The one with the newest date, would be the accepted one by judge overseeing probate. As no other law firm came forward with more current one, 2002 Will was accepted.
Therefore, I cannot believe if Branca was to force Michael's Will, he didn't choose NEWER date/year, just to be sure that his Will be the last one.

Note to admins, can you please move all these fake will post to correct thread, I think there already was one about it.
 
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I don't. I think who forged the will forgot to check a calendar & chose the date because it needed to be far enough back that Branca would have been working for Michael. I think they may have chosen July 7 - date would be the 7 month, the 7th day.

What happened to:

As far as rumors...better to get the facts.

Or were you being ironic.

Thanks for posting rebbie's interview, it was even more disappointing as a 'defence' of her brother than i remembered. I personally don't detect any affection from rebbie towards mj in any of her interviews. Stacy brown was her manager, at least until a year or two back. She called into a media station to defend him as a family spokesperson during mj's trial.
 
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Just my opinion, she could have done a much better interview but she did defend her brother. It is my recollection that she was very upset, it was a phone interview so I just went by her voice. It was short, I think she should have made better points with her air time but I would never consider that a betrayal. As far as her saying she was concerned about the rest of the family, that's totally understandable & doesn't take away from Michael. Obvious to me she loves all her family & she's a really nice person.

I do not know to what extent she is really friends with Stacy Brown, I have never seen her asked that question.

As far as rumors...better to get the facts.

Her "defense" of Michael is very half-hearted. The only thing she seems to be upset about is how it affects her and her family, not Michael.

And her friendship with Stacy Brown is not a rumor. It's a fact.

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What exactly do you consider her betrayal of Michael?

I consider her friendship with Stacy Brown a betrayal - and a very disgusting one at that.
 
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some of u all need to to stop going round in circles. claims are made and evidence is shown yet 5 mins later its back to the same thing. this thread is becoming pretty redundant now.
 
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Her "defense" of Michael is very half-hearted. The only thing she seems to be upset about is how it affects her and her family, not Michael.

And her friendship with Stacy Brown is not a rumor. It's a fact.

very true its well documented what stacy brown has done and how rebbie defended him. its its very sad that some fans in their obsession with everything being a conspiracy that they are prepared to defend someone like brown when they are well aware of the facts from michaels trial. loyalties seems to drift very quickly. if it was wasnt murrays a fall guy and he didnt do it cause AEG and other dark forces did its now this about the will and supporting RR and J. sorry but some fans are so dam flakey in their support of michael in their desire for everything to be something other than what the facts suggest.
 
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I remember all the stories about rummaging around for cash seeming just like another media BS thing back when I heard them, but now I'm curious. Can anyone post the stories from back then about the family looking for this money?

As already pointed out, grace in one of her interviews said (from memory) that mrs j rang her the night mj died (la time) to say she was on the way to carolwood and wanted to know where mj kept his cash. It's pretty well-documented that mj kept wads and wads of cash or what did he call it, french fries?, in his house so it sounds a believable story. Also the detectives on the scene at carolwood told the media (and i think the court at murray's trial) that mj's famly wanted access to the house the night of 25 june. And we all know how latoya etc went rummaging around so thoroughly that they found some dried out cannibis in a bag, stuffed in a cupboard in mj's bedroom which they proudly presented to the police declaring it heroin. So they didn't just pop in to pick up some clothes for ppb.
 
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