Michael's mom reported missing /Grandma's Home/TJ appointed Co/Guardian with Katherine

Re: Michael's mom reported missing /TJ temp Guardianship/Grandma's Home

Perry Sanders probably leaked the letter to the executor the day he got it.

http://www.celebuzz.com/2012-07-17/...estate-to-resign-immediately/jackson-letter-5


Interesting! So Perry S received that letter July 12, Katherine takes off to AZ on July 15, Celebuzz puts that article out on July 17!

If I were K's lawyer, I would immediately contact on my client and tell her about this letter.
This makes me question whether K knew about the letter and the whole spa thing was decoy.

Based on the FedEX tracking number on airbill, it was received on the 17th.


Tracking no.: 800555220499

Delivered
Signed for by: S.COST
Shipment Dates
Ship date Jul 16, 2012
Delivery date Jul 17, 2012 8:44 AM
Destination
Signature Proof of Delivery


Delivery detail

http://www.fedex.com/Tracking/Detai...&totalPieceNum=&cntry_code=us&pieceNum=&langu
 
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I think it is safe to say so. According to second accounting K has got
Katherine allowance $470,814
Loan 1 to Katherine $235,000
Loan 2 to Katherne $250,000
Loan 3 to Katherine $75,000
Loan 4 to Katherine $6,000,000 (for Katherine's debt to Segye Times)

Those numbers are just for K, house costs, employees salaries etc are not included for those amounts, so I think it is safe to say that Randy and other will get some money out of her. One of those loans was to pay back Jermaine's child support, and I suppose the other loans were used to pay something for other cubs.
82 year old woman cannot possible buy that many clothes, or go to hairdresser in order to spend all that money in 14 months.
Does anyone know how she got herself into those loans? One would think that with all that allowance she's getting she would be able to pay off her loans by herself!!!

All of this talk of 'cubs' got me thinking. Have you ever seen a lioness with her cubs? When they get out of line she usually gives them a slap around the ears! We are talking about adult children who should know better, yes it must be hard for a Mum to publically state that some of her children have been out of line but sometime 'tough love' is the only thing that makes a difference.
And let us not forget that the "cubs" are no young cubs anymore. Some of them are grandparents themselves, for crying out loud!!!
 
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Tanay Jackson? What's her role in this, or does she have a "clear record"? She sounds like one sassy girl LOL
 
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Am I right to assume that since Katherine still gets her monthly allowance that she is still supporting her Cubs with MJs money? Just wondering.

Why would she stop supporting them now? She has been doing it since forever and will continue to until she dies.

It's gonna be really interesting to see what they will do once she actually does die. Then there will be no one to bail them out anymore.
 
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Based on the FedEX tracking number on airbill, it was received on the 17th.


Tracking no.: 800555220499

Delivered
Signed for by: S.COST
Shipment Dates
Ship date Jul 16, 2012
Delivery date Jul 17, 2012 8:44 AM
Destination
Signature Proof of Delivery


Delivery detail

http://www.fedex.com/Tracking/Detai...&totalPieceNum=&cntry_code=us&pieceNum=&langu

Ok thanks, I didn't realise that I can check the tracking number. I tried to read the text on the paper and it did look like it was signed on 12th, but 17 is similar so my mistake.
 
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I was re-reading Jermaine's Q&A replies. Funny that their claim that MJ hated and didn't re-hire Branca but in one of his reply, he acknowledges the fact that MJ hired Branca.
"He made that promise to her, not us, and we hadn't really spoken about it. But that concert was included in the many plans he had for after This Is it, including spot-dates in China and a performance at the Super Bowl 2010 (plans made prior to John Branca's return)"
 
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Are we going to address what Tanay Jackson said on Geraldo?
 
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Why would she stop supporting them now? She has been doing it since forever and will continue to until she dies.

It's gonna be really interesting to see what they will do once she actually does die. Then there will be no one to bail them out anymore.

They have to find a new lioness to take care of them, and I hope it is not going to be Paris :bugeyed
I wonder if Halima is ready and willing to take the crown after K passes?

"Michael did what a father should in a will - he took care of his kids, and he also named our mother. By including her, he included us. The lioness takes care of her cubs, and that philosophy has always been understood in our family."
It is like unwritten rule that if you are in troubles, go to mommy's purse. Katherine probably never felt that she can count on her cubs for their support, as they didn't help her when Havenhurst was facing foreclosure and no utility bills paid for months.
 
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They have to find a new lioness to take care of them, and I hope it is not going to be Paris :bugeyed
I wonder if Halima is ready and willing to take the crown after K passes?

"Michael did what a father should in a will - he took care of his kids, and he also named our mother. By including her, he included us. The lioness takes care of her cubs, and that philosophy has always been understood in our family."
It is like unwritten rule that if you are in troubles, go to mommy's purse. Katherine probably never felt that she can count on her cubs for their support, as they didn't help her when Havenhurst was facing foreclosure and no utility bills paid for months.

I doubt Paris is gonna pay for them considering how her and Prince have acted lately, it's obvious they do not agree with what their aunts and uncles are doing. I wouldn't blame the kids if they didn't give those freeloaders one single dime.
 
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Now & then there are women who cannot really stand up to their husbands. Does not make them evil, just weak. Just my opinion, of course.
For me, bottom line is that Michael loved his mother. That fact does not make her a saint or immune from criticism. So far, she, in my opinion, made a right decision regarding co-guardianship with TJ. However, all this story shows that she is easily manipulated.

Yeah, that could be weakness or pretending. Katheirne's actions, imo, show me that she leans towards what benefits her not towards what is correct. Sometimes, we have to make decisions, the correct ones, even if we don't agree with it.

About being manipulated, I really don't know. It can also be that she's playing along. Hope TJ is good guardian for the children. They need love & support without expecting money in return.

As always this is my opinion, I could be wrong but I can also be right.
 
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But what kind of Document is it? Is it the document which proves that Sanders got the document? If it is it proves that he was leaked by the siblings.
 
JustMe00;3686755 said:
Are we going to address what Tanay Jackson said on Geraldo?

Here's a few things you should be aware of first:

Per Taj Jackson 8/1/12 tweet @tajjackson3
The Official Taj Jackson Twitter Account

There is someone now going on tv shows all over the U.S., claiming to be our half sister. As much as I would have wanted a sister growing up, my brothers and I DO NOT have a half sister. Since she is clearly doing this to promote herself and her music career, I will not mention her name here because that is exactly what she wants out of all this… publicity. My brothers and I would normally not acknowledge things like this, but unfortunately some reputable U.S. media are giving her major airtime and falsely reporting her as family. She is not. http://tl.gd/iklb44 • Reply
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Per Taryll Jackson‏@tarylljackson 7/29/12 tweet
@eonline Tanay Jackson is NOT related to us. Please clear up any confusion you may have caused. Thank You.

http://sandrarose.com/2009/01/tito-jackson-sued-by-secret-daughter/
2009 article
A New York woman is suing Michael Jackson’s older brother Tito Jackson to force him to acknowledge her publicly as his daughter.
The woman, Tanay Rodney Jackson, 25 — pictured above with Jackson, filed a petition in Brooklyn’s Family Court last Summer to declare Jackson her father.
Tanay claims Jackson, 55, began visiting her regularly while she was in her teens. “He told me he was my father when I was 17,” she told the NY Post. “(He would) pop over now and then. He didn’t want it public. He was ashamed.”
Tito is the second oldest of the legendary Jackson brothers. The famed Jackson 5 guitarist also has three grown sons, Toriano, Taryll and Tito Joseph, who formed the 90s singing group 3T.
Their mother, Jackson’s ex wife Delores Martes, drowned mysteriously in the family swimming pool in 1994. (Source)



My opinion is that Tanay may very well be Tito's daughter....but she may never have even met Katherine.
However Joe has embraced her (check out her twitter). I believe he is her "one" source.
No way did she KNOW where Katherine was, when her own beloved Marlon did not. I think Joe is just now using her. Of course these are my assumptions, but one that isn't an assumption is that she is an opportunist.
 
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My opinion is that Tanay may very well be Tito's daughter....but she may never have even met Katherine.
However Joe has embraced her (check out her twitter). I believe he is her "one" source.
No way did she KNOW where Katherine was, when her own beloved Marlon did not. I think Joe is just now using her. Of course these are my assumptions, but one that isn't an assumption is that she is an opportunist.
Thanks. I actually found out just after I posted my comment lol I found it weird that she refused to say who authorized her to speak for them, and she didn't really seem like she had any idea of what's going on.
 
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Thanks. I actually found out just after I posted my comment lol I found it weird that she refused to say who authorized her to speak for them, and she didn't really seem like she had any idea of what's going on.

What's appalling is that Geraldo had her on his show AFTER Jackson family members were saying she wasn't related. It really shows no fact checking is done. Anybody can claim anything and become an authority. It's actually scarey.
 
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What's appalling is that Geraldo had her on his show AFTER Jackson family members were saying she wasn't related. It really shows no fact checking is done. Anybody can claim anything and become an authority. It's actually scarey.
Agree. He also seemed like he had already made up his mind about the subject and almost forced his opinion. Reminds me of journalists in the late 80's - early 90's. Very rude, very arrogant and extremely pushy.
 
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Does anyone know how she got herself into those loans? One would think that with all that allowance she's getting she would be able to pay off her loans by herself!!!


And let us not forget that the "cubs" are no young cubs anymore. Some of them are grandparents themselves, for crying out loud!!!

yup, some them are grand-cubs.
One thing Jerma forgot to take into consideration with is cub comparison is that once the cubs get to a certain age, momma will throw their asses OUT and they'll have to take care of themselves.
 
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My opinion is that Tanay may very well be Tito's daughter....but she may never have even met Katherine.
However Joe has embraced her (check out her twitter). I believe he is her "one" source.
No way did she KNOW where Katherine was, when her own beloved Marlon did not. I think Joe is just now using her. Of course these are my assumptions, but one that isn't an assumption is that she is an opportunist.

Joe probably has no clue, he's just happy to have a busty woman cuddling up to him.
 
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Lol I can't believe this girl is evening getting airtime. Even if she was Tito's, does she really think going on every tv show (and probably being paid for them) is going to get her accepted in the family.

As for the "cubs"....I would hate to have to ask my parents for money and I'm 23, hell would have frozen over if I was asking them for money when I get into my grand parenting years. These are some pathetic human beings.
 
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Joe probably has no clue, he's just happy to have a busty woman cuddling up to him.

You do have a point. But as much as Tanay is an opportunist, she's a little nuts. She talks as if she actually believes she has a bonafide relationship with the Jacksons beyond her one source. I hope she never comes within a mile of PPB, but wouldn't be surprised if she shows up at that upcoming Indiana event. She's inserting herself all over the place.
 
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What's appalling is that Geraldo had her on his show AFTER Jackson family members were saying she wasn't related. It really shows no fact checking is done. Anybody can claim anything and become an authority. It's actually scarey.

Would Geraldo know unless he followed the T's on twitter? I must point out that I haven't watched the show yet but it will take a lot for me to become anti-Geraldo.

Back to Tanay the person who can clear all this up is Tito, either she is lying or he has not been honest with his sons.
 
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Joe probably has no clue, he's just happy to have a busty woman cuddling up to him.
:D
Maybe she is Joe daughter? Then it would make sense that Tarryll's tweeted Tanya is not related to us:)
Don't nearly all of the boys have "adopted" children too? Not sure if adopted kids are really "outside" of the family or someone in the family gets to go around:brow:
 
and enter Howard Mann / Vaccaro

Validity of Michael Jackson's will in dispute, lawsuit says
August 7, 2012 | 1:59 pm


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The validity of Michael Jackson’s will could get a court airing next month if a business associate of the pop star’s mother gets his way.

Lawyers for a Canadian businessman who works with Katherine Jackson wrote in a filing Monday that he was “in possession of evidence that casts substantial doubt on the validity of the will” and wants to present it at federal trial set for September.

The business partner, Howard Mann, is locked in a copyright battle with the executors of the singer’s estate largely over a tribute book that he produced with Jackson’s mother.

In a filing in U.S. District Court in Los Angeles, Mann’s lawyers wrote he wanted to present an attack on the will’s authenticity as part of a defense to copyright infringement claims brought by executors John Branca and John McClain.

“Defendants will argue that the estate cannot produce any evidence indicating they own the assets, thereby failing the first prong of a copyright action,” the attorneys wrote.

The probate court presiding over Jackson’s estate accepted the 2002 will shortly after his death and an appellate court subsequently said the window for challenging the will had closed. The document put Jackson’s assets into a private trust run by Branca and McClain, music industry veterans and longtime Jackson advisors. The trust benefits Jackson’s three children, his mother and charities.

In recent weeks, some of his siblings, who inherited nothing, have said the will was faked and called on Branca and McClain to resign. The executors have condemned “false and defamatory accusations grounded in stale Internet conspiracy theories.”

Their attorney urged a judge last month to bar any attack on the will in front of jurors, writing that it was a settled legal issue and irrelevant to the copyright claims.

“None of this evidence would constitute a legal defense to any of the claims in this lawsuit, and are offered solely so that defendants may point to their relationship with Mrs. Jackson and argue that the estate is somehow being unfair to her,” the attorney wrote.

A hearing is set for Aug. 27.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2012/08/michael-jackson-will-lawsuit.html
 
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I was just on the train and saw someone with a magazine with the story about the children and Janet. I got a quick glance at the magazine cover and it had US weekly on it, so if anyone picks it up, the story will be there. The title of the article had Jackson Family in it, and there was a picture of Michael Jr and Paris.
 
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This guy is associated with Randy too? If he had proof then why didn't he show it 3 years ago? Is this going to be allowed?
 
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Mann is clearly desperate, trying to divert attention from the real issue i.e copyright infringement. how is the will relevant to this case? really, how is that going to help him in any way shape or form? Isn't the validity of the will a probate court affair? does this court have the jurisdiction to even discuss something as irrelevant as this?

Melissa Johnson also tried to pull the same tactic, only to be shut down moments later.
 
Re: Michael's mom reported missing /TJ temp Guardianship/Grandma's Home

I guess it's because if the will is fake, then the Estate has no right to sue over a copyright issue because they don't own the copyright.
 
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I guess it's because if the will is fake, then the Estate has no right to sue over a copyright issue because they don't own the copyright.
That does not make sense. The Estate is MJ. so even if the will is deemed invalid, it still does not change the ownership by MJ. in other words the will has nothing to do with ownership of copyright material.
 
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