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Katherine & MJ's kids sue AEG / Trial date April 2, 2013

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ivy said:
now she says it wasn't an intervention and they were there for a financial business matter. see below

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It's not definitive. It seems Kerry suspected Carol was giving drugs to Grace who then gave it to Michael and confiscated drugs from Carol. That's what Taunya understood and is kinda speculating. There's no information about what the drugs were, whether it was one time event or not. The only "fact" is that he confiscated unknown drugs from Carol, the rest is speculation.
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so tunyas lieing one way or the other. lol
 
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Thank you Ivy again, you are the best:bow:

Aquarius said:
Why Janet and Jermaine had filed objections to Taunya's deposition? Is there something they don't want Taunya to tell?
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I wonder is it coincidence that Randy, Janet and Jermaine=granny-nappers were the ones to object T's deposition?

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Has anyone who has been deposed said that they saw Michael directly under the influence of 'drugs'? Admittedly I have not read the whole thread but it seems to me that everybody is going by what others have said and alleged.

And it will be interesting to know if Michael's children are aware that a suit in their name is calling her father a drug addict. An assertion that Paris, in particular, has denied.
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Yes, it will be interesting indeed, Paris tweeted about lies of her father being drug addict.
It seems to me that no one in the family has seen anything, but rumours running wild between the members of family. They can't even keep track whether they crashed through the gates for intervention or business meeting.

marebear said:
The Jacksons think they are this big powerful family and that sueing AEG would scare them. They are not going to throw Michael under the bus but the whole Jackson family too. I wish this was about justice for Michael but this is about greed. I don't like how Michael will get dragged through the mud by his own family as well but his legacy is strong and will survive this. I hope the Jacksons lose because greed should not be rewarded.
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The same way they thought that their little letter to tabloids would scare executors to re-sign. It backfired, and AEG is going to next one bite their arses off.
 
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Everything goes back to randy everytime. hes the one who tells everyone else about supposed interventions hes the one who janet rebbie and co cling onto and they do his bidding even to the point of trying to stop her from been deposed.
 
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TheChosenOne said:
I need to find somewhere to spew all the ugly emotions that I have in my heart for the Jackson family. I won't do it here cause I don't want to get banned.

What I will say is - it breaks my heart that there is no-one who will cross examine the Jacksons or AEG in this lawsuit. I know the law does not work that way and the estate will do what it can to limit certain things. But AEG is not here to defend Michael, so when LaToya and Rebbie go on about interventions, AEG's lawyers are not going to object and ask for proof. They will just use the evidence to prove their own point.

That's why I wish we, as a fan community, could sue some members of that family for emotional distress, etc. We need a forum where we can openly challenge and expose them. I am officially SICK AND TIRED of Michael being used and abused this way. What a god-awful group of people.
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Thank you for this. I wanted to say something but I don't want to get banned either! I just tremendously dislike this family more and more! And I think all 4 of Michael's wills gives us an indication how he felt about them too.

Michael I am soooo sorry. I just want to hit something. I would go through a brick wall for this man and he has this "family" that keeps trying to bury him under it. He didn't deserve this kind of betrayal and by his own family for Gods sake.
 
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Bonnie Blue said:
^ Sorry, didn't pick up on the sarcasm, was thinking the post was a bit unpetrarose-like! :D
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Haaaaa that will teach you to forget the MO of each of us.


Things are heating up more. Soon all the deposed Jacksons and their lovers will be at each other's necks as they realize what each is spilling. I wonder if Randy found out yet that Tanyu said there was a financial meeting and not an intervention. I still do not understand how this Tanyu person could accuse AEG of murdering Michael. I mean, why did she insert herself into the family's mess? Now she has AEG coming after her, and she seems pretty scared.

It seems a big problem the Jacksons are having is that they forget their interviews/former statements/tweets/emails leave records that AEG could examine for lies, inconsistencies, or for information to help their case. I would like to read Janet's.
 
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I want to read Janet's deposition as well considering she claimed she wasn't at some of the interventions and she said publicly in 2008 that she hadn't seen MJ since his acquittal.. so if she went 3-4 years without seeing or talking to her brother how in the world could she be doing interventions?
 
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so if she went 3-4 years without seeing or talking to her brother how in the world could she be doing interventions?
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She probably dreamned it
 
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Petrarose said:
It seems a big problem the Jacksons are having is that they forget their interviews/former statements/tweets/emails leave records that AEG could examine for lies, inconsistencies, or for information to help their case. I would like to read Janet's.
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I always said that all of those interviews, both print and on various television programs, would come back and haunt certain members of the Jackson family. Simply because they can't keep their stories straight. Their answers are made-up according to whom they are speaking to.

I remember when Joe and Leonard Rowe were over seas, promoting Rowe's book, and the interviewer asked Joe about his recent request for an allowance from Michael's Estate and how Michael supported him and Joe says, "Michael didn't support me." Well the look on Rowe's face was priceless, because part of Rowe's story was that Michael did in fact support Joe Jackson. PRICELESS!
 
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I got this from the LSA forum, http://zilkinc.com/index2.php, tanuye zilnik's website. It's quite interesting - she seems to be some website designer and branched out into artist representation. It's an incredibly over-ornate website, and to me not particularly effective. She represents karen, and mj's costumers bush and tompkins. She did the websites for tmez's lawfirm and stabler and associates. Every single name something to do with mj. If fans want to know what happened to thier mjj source money, take a look at her overly complex, totally redundant but probably really expensive video showcasing mj's innocent verdict at his trial. I imagine randy made sure she was extremely handsomely renumerated from mj. She seems to have had something to do with organising mj's funeral too, the one that cost over $1m.
 
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is Taunya and Randy still a couple?
 
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LOL...:rofl:
 
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^^Jaydom I see you got it. Haa
 
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Bonnie Blue said:
I got this from the LSA forum, http://zilkinc.com/index2.php, tanuye zilnik's website. It's quite interesting - she seems to be some website designer and branched out into artist representation. It's an incredibly over-ornate website, and to me not particularly effective. She represents karen, and mj's costumers bush and tompkins. She did the websites for tmez's lawfirm and stabler and associates. Every single name something to do with mj. If fans want to know what happened to thier mjj source money, take a look at her overly complex, totally redundant but probably really expensive video showcasing mj's innocent verdict at his trial. I imagine randy made sure she was extremely handsomely renumerated from mj. She seems to have had something to do with organising mj's funeral too, the one that cost over $1m.
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I build websites and do not claim to be a professional since I am self-taught, but even I know the difference between design and function. The user interface on her portfolio is a HUGE no-no.
 
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Doubts surfaced early on Michael Jackson

Emails in Jackson insurance litigation show AEG execs knew of concerns about the pop star's stability.


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Michael Jackson rehearses at Staples Center in June 2009 for his "This Is It" tour. (Kevin Mazur, AEG/Getty Images / June 23, 2009)

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By Harriet Ryan, Los Angeles TimesSeptember 2, 2012


The scene in Michael Jackson's London hotel suite left Randy Phillips in a panic. Phillips was one of the world's most powerful music promoters and used to rock 'n' roll chaos, but the star's condition still floored him.

"MJ is locked in his room drunk and despondent," Phillips said in an email to his boss at Anschutz Entertainment Group, the Los Angeles company staking a fortune on the singer. "I [am] trying to sober him up."

Across the Atlantic, where it was still early morning, AEG President Tim Leiweke read the message and fired back on his BlackBerry: "Are you kidding me?"
"I screamed at him so loud the walls are shaking," Phillips told him. "He is an emotionally paralyzed mess riddled with self loathing and doubt now that it is show time."

The story of Jackson's ill-fated comeback attempt has been told in news reports, a manslaughter trial and a feature-length documentary. But a cache of confidential AEG emails obtained by The Times offers a darker picture of the relationship between the down-on-his-luck idol and the buttoned-up corporation taking a bet on his erratic talents.

The 250 pages of messages illuminate the extent to which top executives were aware of doubts about Jackson's stability as they prepared for his 50-show concert run at their London arena.

The emails will probably play a central role in two lawsuits set for trial next year. The shows' insurers are asking a judge to nullify a $17.5-million policy that they say AEG got with false claims about Jackson's health and readiness to perform. Jackson's heirs are pressing a wrongful-death suit that accuses AEG of pressuring the pop star to carry on with a comeback despite indications he was too weak.

Lawyers for AEG, which has denied any wrongdoing, said most of the correspondence was produced as discovery in ongoing litigation. They said the messages reviewed by The Times were incomplete and leaked to portray the company in a negative light. The lawyers declined to provide additional emails that they said would give a fuller picture, citing a protective order imposed by a judge in the civil litigation.

"If you are in the creative arts business, you are going to be involved with individuals who have a great many problems," said AEG attorney Marvin Putnam. "Michael Jackson was an adult and &#8230; it is supercilious to say he was unable to take care of his own affairs."

Michael Jackson was a megastar but also had a trail of burned investors and canceled performances that loomed large when AEG began contemplating a deal with him in the fall of 2008.

Even before meeting with Jackson, executives at the highest levels of AEG, including billionaire founder Phil Anschutz, were seeking insurance to protect the company's bottom line if the shows didn't come off, according to the emails.

Anschutz invited Jackson to a meeting at a Las Vegas villa in September 2008. Paul Gongaware, an AEG Live executive who knew Jackson, emailed colleagues a strategy memo. Wear casual clothes, he told them, "as MJ is distrustful of people in suits" and expect to talk "fluff" with "Mikey."

The company was proposing a world tour that would net the cash-strapped star $132 million, according to the memo. "This is not a number that MJ will want to hear. He thinks he is so much bigger than that," Gongaware warned. Talk in terms of gross receipts, he suggested.

The singer and AEG signed a deal in January 2009. According to the contract, AEG agreed to bankroll a series of London concerts at its 02 Arena and Jackson promised "a first-class performance." If he reneged, AEG would take control of the debt-ridden singer's company and use the income from his music catalogs to recoup its money.

There were doubters inside and outside the company. Dan Beckerman, AEG's chief operating officer, sent Phillips, the chief executive of concert division AEG Live, a YouTube link to Jackson's shaky 2001 MTV appearance and asked, "Can he pull this off?"

"With time and rehearsal," Phillips wrote back.
Pressed by another promoter about Jackson's ability to deliver, Phillips shot back in an email, "He has to or financial disaster awaits."

The contract required a medical examination as part of AEG's effort to get cancellation insurance, and nine days after Jackson signed, a New York doctor went to the star's Holmby Hills mansion. Dr. David Slavit concluded that Jackson was in "excellent condition," an assessment that AEG would tout in the coming months as proof that their star was healthy.

It's unclear how thorough the exam was. Slavit, an ear, nose and throat doctor who listed his specialty as "care of the professional voice," wrote extensively about Jackson's vocal cords in his report, which AEG said was given to its insurance broker. But he was silent on Jackson's well-documented substance abuse problems.

The singer had dropped out of at least one tour for drug treatment, but Slavit wrote that past cancellations were "related to dehydration and exhaustion."

Asked on a questionnaire in the report whether he had "ever been treated for or had any indication of excessive use of alcohol or drugs," Jackson circled "no."

AEG planned to announce Jackson's comeback in March with a London news conference. But as the date drew near, Jackson dropped out of sight. Inside AEG, there was growing fear.
"We are holding all the risk," Gongaware wrote to Phillips. "We let Mikey know just what this will cost him in terms of him making money.... We cannot be forced into stopping this, which MJ will try to do because he is lazy and constantly changes his mind to fit his immediate wants."
"He is locked. He has no choice &#8230; he signed a contract," Gongaware wrote.

Publicly, AEG projected confidence. "The man is very sane, the man is very focused, the man is very healthy," Leiweke assured a music industry symposium the day before the news conference.

Jackson made it to London, but according to emails Phillips sent to Leiweke, the star was intoxicated and refused to leave his suite. In the end, the emails show, Phillips and Jackson's manager had to dress him.

"He is scared to death," Phillips wrote to Leiweke.
In an interview, AEG's attorney Putnam suggested Phillips had exaggerated in his emails and said Jackson's behavior appeared to be a case of "nerves."

Jackson arrived 90 minutes late for the news conference and his brief comments struck some of the 350 reporters gathered as disjointed and strange. Still, fan enthusiasm was undeniable: Demand for an initial 10 shows crashed Ticketmaster's servers.

Two months later, Jackson and AEG got insurance from Lloyd's of London, according to the policy that is contained in court records. For rehearsals in L.A., it only covered accidents. The policy would expand to include illness and death coverage when Jackson got to London and was evaluated by Lloyd's doctors there.

AEG officials first met Dr. Conrad Murray during May rehearsals. In the trial last year that ended with Murray's manslaughter conviction, witnesses testified that Jackson insisted that AEG hire the doctor as his personal physician for the London shows at $150,000 a month.

Murray, who was deep in debt and in danger of losing his home, was giving Jackson nightly doses of propofol, a powerful surgical anesthetic, for his chronic insomnia, according to the doctor's statement to police.

In an interview, AEG's lawyers noted that none of the emails referred to propofol and said no one at the company knew about Murray's use of it. Jackson died before signing Murray's contract, and the doctor was never paid by AEG.
Those rehearsing with Jackson began sounding alarms in mid-June, according to the emails, a month before his scheduled debut in London. They complained he missed rehearsals, was slow picking up routines and would have to lip-sync some of his signature numbers.

"MJ is not in shape enough yet to sing this stuff live and dance at the same time," the show's musical director informed supervisors in an email. Jackson missed another week of rehearsals, and when he finally showed up June 19, he was too weak to perform.

Emails reviewed by The Times show far greater alarm about Jackson's mental state than has emerged previously.
"He was a basket case," a production manager wrote. "Doubt is pervasive."

"We have a real problem here," Phillips wrote to Leiweke.
The show's director, Kenny Ortega, told Phillips their star was not ready for the comeback and called for a psychiatric intervention: "There are strong signs of paranoia, anxiety and obsessive-like behavior. I think the very best thing we can do is get a top Psychiatrist in to evaluate him ASAP.

"It is like there are two people there. One (deep inside) trying to hold on to what he was and still can be and not wanting us to quit him, the other in this weakened and troubled state," wrote Ortega, who had known Jackson for 20 years. "I believe we need professional guidance in this matter."

Phillips resisted the request for immediate psychiatric intervention. "It is critical that neither you, me or anyone around this show become amateur psychiatrists or physicians," Phillips wrote.
He added that Murray, "who I am gaining immense respect for as I get to deal with him more," was confident the singer was ready.

"This doctor is extremely successful (we check everyone out) and does not need this gig so he [is] totally unbiased and ethical," Phillips wrote.
At a meeting that day, Jackson vowed to improve, and Murray said he would help. By all accounts, the next two days of rehearsals &#8212; the last of Jackson's life &#8212; were superb.
In the recent interview, AEG's lawyer said the company responded responsibly to concerns raised by Ortega and others by monitoring rehearsals and consulting Jackson and his physician.

"Michael and the doctor stressed that he was OK. They had it under control," Putnam said.
Numerous emails show that at the same time, Lloyd's of London was pressing AEG to schedule a complete medical examination for Jackson. The insurance company had to be convinced the singer was healthy before they would expand the policy to include illness and death, crucial coverage given reports from rehearsals.

That four-hour exam by Lloyd's in London would include three doctors, heart monitoring and blood work. AEG's insurance broker tried to persuade Lloyd's to drop the physical, according to the email discussions by AEG officials. AEG suggested Murray could provide an oral recitation of Jackson's recent medical history instead. Lloyd's refused.
Since agreeing to the policy in May, Lloyd's had sought additional information from AEG &#8212; medical records, details about Jackson's daily fitness program and responses to media reports about his health.

"Always with no response," a Lloyd's underwriter wrote.
Lloyd's also insisted on five years of medical records. The insurance company wrote that it wanted a thorough account for all doctor's appointments, hospital visits and cosmetic procedures since 2003.

Within AEG, it was determined that Murray was the best hope to get the records, and in the final week of Jackson's life, officials sent at least 10 emails reminding him to gather them.
Murray responded to the last of the requests June 25 in Jackson's darkened bedroom suite, according to emails presented at the doctor's criminal trial. He wrote that he had talked to Jackson and "Authorization was denied,"
Less than an hour later, Jackson stopped breathing, according to a timeline Murray gave police.
A week later, AEG filed a claim for the entire $17.5-million insurance policy and said publicly that it was out more than $35 million.

But within a very short period, it became clear that Jackson's demise, however terrible for those who loved him, was a commercial boon for his heirs and for AEG.
The celebratory documentary "This Is It," which AEG co-produced alone grossed more than $260 million worldwide.
"Michael's death is a terrible tragedy, but life must go on. AEG will make a fortune from merch sales, ticket retention, the touring exhibition and the film/dvd," Phillips wrote to a concert business colleague in August, adding, "I still wish he was here!"

harriet.ryan@latimes.com

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-aeg-jackson-20120902,0,2359376,full.story
 
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BS! Utter bs to what the article says. That makes me sick.
 
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I think we know that Michael had been drinking the night before the announcement. And doubt is something we all deal with. Nohting but the Jacksons lawyers or Lords of London being fools
 
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i don't think we all know anything in full. that's why these articles end up in the controversy section. but if AEG and Phillips didn't want to look bad, they failed miserably. they will reap what they have sown. and it won't be good. It will be terrible.
Quite frankly, who wouldn't be paranoid if they were peppered with threats, hate, horrible verbiage and demands to perform, rather than asking kindly, a person that deserved so much more respect than he got?
Now they're talking about a boon, and write that 'his death was terrible but the show must go on'. They're happy about how things turned out. They're evil. That money will slip through their fingers, and their deaths will be the nicest thing that happens to them. and then...
but the estate will be fine. PPB will be fine.

AEG hides as much as they can. They didn't want the insurance company to do a thorough exam, so it makes you wonder what AEG were hiding, then. If they could hide that fans still were enthusiastic about Michael, eight years after the 2001 MTV appearance, they would, because it seems impossible for an artist to maintain that staying power. They lied about his MTV appearance. It was spectacular. the greatest thing that happened on that program, and the reason why MSG was so successful in selling out. So, whatever they could hide, they did their damndest to hide. They are NOT trustworthy. Their lies about the MTV appearance make that abundantly clear.

Also, Michael made it absolutely clear that he didn't want to tour anymore, in 2003 during home videos. AEG and Phillips conveniently skip over that.

The casualness with which they easily thought about how, in their minds, there would be a boon for them, if Michael died, more than if he was alive, is purely a thought of love of money. And people who love money like that, love it more than the value of a human life, which has never ending value. And those people who love money like that, are the most evil people on earth.
 
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The company was proposing a world tour that would net the cash-strapped star $132 million, according to the memo.
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World tour?The concerts would take place in London,I don´t know how many concerts they thought Michael would sell but 50 shows was a lot more than they expected.
Maybe they thought 10-20 shows and I doubt Michael would get 132 $ for it.

I don´t believe Michael had been drinking the night before the announcement,if you mean alcohol.


"This doctor is extremely successful (we check everyone out) and does not need this gig so he [is] totally unbiased and ethical," Phillips wrote.
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Maybe Phillips had been drinking or was on drugs...
Maybe it was Murray who wrote the article.......

This article is ridiculous
 
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You would think if all the emails/text messages existed that Murray's team would use some of them in court because it would help their case.
So, as long as I don't read the full emails with my own eyes, I'm leaving it in the middle if these are real or not. This kinda reads like a tabloid magazine...
 
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Daily mail claimed mj had been drinking. source was prob randy considering that other lawsuit info. and whats his name who was doing the texas concert who was putting crap out in the media after mj told him to get lost. totally ridiculous tabloid article
 
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You would think if all the emails/text messages existed that Murray's team would use some of them in court because it would help their case.
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I agree. How did this publication supposedly get their hands on those emails anyway? Something stinks about that, in my opinion. If those emails and texts were made publicly available, we would have seen them a long time ago.
 
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There are discovery going on in two cases. Katherine's lawsuit as well as Lloyds of London lawsuit. We also know for a fact that AEG turned these emails to Jacksons. Lloyds discovery has started but we don't know specifics. Both of them can be the source for the leak.

Context is everything. What did they know and in what context did they say it? The above limited emails actually make it seem like they suspected psychological issues and not being mentally ready for it. That's a lot more different than suspecting a drug addiction and that's a lot more different than knowing about Propofol. Phillips's email about "respecting Murray" and being assured that Michael was ready by Murray also shows that they were mislead by Murray.

Remember the question here is did they know and even ordered Propofol as treatment and did they care about Michael's well-being. Ordering a Propofol treatment on to Michael and killing him is a lot more different than thinking Michael who hasn't performed over a decade was nervous and scared but okay.
 
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Isn't it normal to suffer from doubt and anxiety? Don't we all especially when their is something big we need to do? Isn't it also normal for AEG to worry especially since their was so much money on the line?
 
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I have my doubts, I have my reservations, when I look at Michael's 3 children. Paris even recently tweeted about Dr. Metzger and it was a lie her father was doing drugs.

They are so normal, Michael's 3 children, Prince, Paris and Blanket, so intelligent, so innocent, willing to help their loved ones, just like their Dad, Michael Jackson.

The lawyer, Marvin Putnam, quoted, representing AEG even said these emails are being taken out of context.

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Jacksons trying again for a settlement offer?

just read the l.a times article. nothing really that we hadnt heard before about mjs nervousness etc. but as ivy says theres nothing there that supports the families accusations.
 
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Frightening illumination of AEG. Don't wear blinders, so this is not shocking.
 
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