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Guess the family didnt make as much money out of the gary trip as they hoped
 
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Nadia1981 said:
By the way, ever since the BAD tour, MJ said that he wasn't going to tour anymore. Then he did Dangerous. Again he said he wouldn't tour anymore. There was History. As much as he hated touring, he loved his audience. He loved entertaining them. He loved doing the actual concerts. I think he couldn't stay away from it even if he wanted. And TII was not a tour anyway, but a semi-permanent venue, makes all the difference.
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Didn't he also said that he wanted to do 10 concerts in O2, and after take his tour to other places/countries?
 
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Very true bubs. mj seems to be the only adult in history that wasnt allowed to drink and if he did it was some huge no no. guess its part of the medias obsession with keeping him as the subhuman freak who wasnt normal didnt or couldnt do normal adult things and some fans obsession with him being a innocent childlike manchild
 
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Bubs said:
Didn't he also said that he wanted to do 10 concerts in O2, and after take his tour to other places/countries?
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the ten concerts was used as a teaser to gain public responce as said during the trial. the contract was always a minimum of was it 19 and a max of 31. and they talked about taking the show on the road afterwards depending on how things went but it never went futher than that if i remember the testimony right
 
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elusive moonwalker said:
the ten concerts was used as a teaser to gain public responce as said during the trial. the contract was always a minimum of was it 19 and a max of 31. and they talked about taking the show on the road afterwards depending on how things went but it never went futher than that if i remember the testimony right
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That's right, I actually read the contract book but somehow forgot:)
I cannot remember where did I see it, but in one interview Michael himself said that after 02 he wants to take tour other countries.

Another note, somebody already mentioned Tohme's name. Why is he kept out of this altogether? Was he the one negotiated the contract and schedule etc? Why Jackson's are so quest about him? Is it because they cannot squeeze any money out of him, or are they afraid of him?
Jermaine, any answers for my questions?
 
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Bubs said:
Didn't he also said that he wanted to do 10 concerts in O2, and after take his tour to other places/countries?
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I see you already got your answers lol. Yeh, the contract stated a max of 31 dates. I remember reading an interview with I think Kenny where he said Michael wanted to do this kind of venue in a few places around the world and then go into film making. I think Taj Jackson said something similar in the beginning too. And didn't Celine Dion say that Michael asked her about the details of her Vegas venue, which was similar to TII.

Again, I really can't blame AEG for being nervous. Michael hadn't toured in over 10 years. I'm just trying to be neutral and realistic here. I know how emails can come across sometimes, usually in a much harsher way then the writer intended. To me it seems the mails were written almost in disbelief too.
And god knows, when I'm anxious/nervous about something someone else needs to be doing on my account and they're not doing it the way I want it, I talk crap too. No matter how much I respect or love that person. We're all just humans, humans who gossip about our loved ones and humans who get angry at our loved ones.
 
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zhelva said:
Where is this coming from, are there any proofs or is it just a speculation?
I have to admit I also thought he was different but couldnt figure out what...this is the first time i hear about "the drinking"..
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This isnt the first time someone says MJ was drunk during the press conference. Back in 2011 Dr MUrrays team said this too.

"Lawyers for Dr Conrad Murray have alleged Michael Jackson was drunk at the announcement of his This Is It tour in London.

Michael Jackson's news conference started 90 minutes late because the singer was unconscious backstage, Dr Murray's defence team have told a judge.

The claim comes as the Houston cardiologist is due to stand trial for involuntary manslaughter.

His lawyers claim to have video taken backstage at the news conference in March 2009 in which it is "readily apparent" that Jackson "was under the influence".

However, the judge presiding over the trial has ruled against the footage being shown in court, deeming it irrelevant because it occurred months before Jackson died. "
 
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Nadia1981 said:
I'm just trying to be neutral and realistic here. I know how emails can come across sometimes, usually in a much harsher way then the writer intended. To me it seems the mails were written almost in disbelief too.
And god knows, when I'm anxious/nervous about something someone else needs to be doing on my account and they're not doing it the way I want it, I talk crap too. No matter how much I respect or love that person. We're all just humans, humans who gossip about our loved ones and humans who get angry at our loved ones.
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I agree with you.
 
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Vici said:
This isnt the first time someone says MJ was drunk during the press conference. Back in 2011 Dr MUrrays team said this too.

"Lawyers for Dr Conrad Murray have alleged Michael Jackson was drunk at the announcement of his This Is It tour in London.

Michael Jackson's news conference started 90 minutes late because the singer was unconscious backstage, Dr Murray's defence team have told a judge.

The claim comes as the Houston cardiologist is due to stand trial for involuntary manslaughter.

His lawyers claim to have video taken backstage at the news conference in March 2009 in which it is "readily apparent" that Jackson "was under the influence".

However, the judge presiding over the trial has ruled against the footage being shown in court, deeming it irrelevant because it occurred months before Jackson died. "
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Murray's defence team probably got that from AEG email. They also had email evidence from AEG so they might have seen the very same email then was published now. How would they know one way or the other, Murray wasn't there.
Anyway, who can determine whether Michael was drunk or not at 02?
 
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I actually wasn't upset about LA Times article, but the tabloids that made their own spin to it. Harriet Ryan wrote exactly what she had, she didn't insert innuendo or rumours, just plain facts that was given to her. After all, I would think if Jackson's wanted to show how bad AEG was towards Michael, this got to be the worst what they have, so I assume (fingers crossed) that the worst is behind.
 
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Bubs said:
After all, I would think if Jackson's wanted to show how bad AEG was towards Michael, this got to be the worst what they have, so I assume (fingers crossed) that the worst is behind.
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I sure hope you are right. It really ticks me off to think the Estate has to pay Katherine's lawyers to throw Michael under the bus.
 
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The mj being drunk story came out at the time of the press conference.i believe the daily mail and others wrote stories claiming this that and the other. so the story isnt new
 
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I don't mind if he was drinking alcohol from time to time but if he was drunk by the press conference I really dislike that. I mean he was working then and how do you feel if someone else is drunk while working? It is only okay by artists? He was a father to three minor children. It is responsible to be drunk than? Really I don't mind him drinking in private on a moderate level but if this is true this would be disgusting for me.
 
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Well watch the footage and make your own decision and considering how close dermot oleary was to him hes never made such comments.
 
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ronia said:
I don't mind if he was drinking alcohol from time to time but if he was drunk by the press conference I really dislike that. I mean he was working then and how do you feel if someone else is drunk while working? It is only okay by artists? He was a father to three minor children. It is responsible to be drunk than? Really I don't mind him drinking in private on a moderate level but if this is true this would be disgusting for me.
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I don't see him being drunk on the press conference. Michael could have taken sleeping pills before going to bed and when Randy tried to wake him up, Michael could have appeared drugged, drunk or disorderly, who knows what Randy really saw?

I'm asking a little bit empathy for Michael here! Discusting! This is not some everyday office worker we are talking here. We are talking about Michael Jackson, the one whose every single word, every single movement was put under microscope and scrutiny, then he was mocked and laughed for what ever he did for last 20 years of his life. He went through the hell and if he was drunk in that press conference, it has to do with fear as how would the public react on him after all that has happen to him recent years.
 
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ronia said:
I don't mind if he was drinking alcohol from time to time but if he was drunk by the press conference I really dislike that. I mean he was working then and how do you feel if someone else is drunk while working? It is only okay by artists? He was a father to three minor children. It is responsible to be drunk than? Really I don't mind him drinking in private on a moderate level but if this is true this would be disgusting for me.
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I can understand your feelings, but quite frankly I've been absolutely amazed MJ handled things as well as he did. This was someone who had been brutalized, dehumanized, ripped to shreds in a public arena, on trial literally for his life, and all he ever wanted to do was make people happy and the world a better place. Now he was about to put himself out there again. He once was NEVER nervous to go out on a stage, it was home for him, and now the prospect of it consumed him with fear and self doubt.

When I watch the TII DVD where they showed him backstage before he was about to go out there with that announcement, his fear was tangible. And when he got out there and saw the love still felt for him, that relief was tangible as well. He in fact seemed overwhelmed by it. I was in tears for him, remembering what had brought him to this place that was now difficult for him to even contemplate.

Yeah, I realize I'm making excuses for him, but I'll be honest with you, I don't give a s*** that he was drunk or not before he put himsef before the masses again. I am extremely glad he pulled it together before he hit the podium, or he would have been further brutalized. But what happened that day has nothing to do with the kind of father he was. He was a GREAT father. He was also a scared human being about to put himself in a public arena again and that arena had nearly literally destroyed him.

MJ often said people don't know what it's like to be him. My imagination isn't good enough to even begin to know the damage that had been done to his psyche, but what I do know of people who are NOT artists, but just out here privately trying to make it everyday, again...it makes me marvel the strength he did have.
 
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gerryevans said:
I can understand your feelings, but quite frankly I've been absolutely amazed MJ handled things as well as he did. This was someone who had been brutalized, dehumanized, ripped to shreds in a public arena, on trial literally for his life, and all he ever wanted to do was make people happy and the world a better place. Now he was about to put himself out there again. He once was NEVER nervous to go out on a stage, it was home for him, and now the prospect of it consumed him with fear and self doubt.

When I watch the TII DVD where they showed him backstage before he was about to go out there with that announcement, his fear was tangible. And when he got out there and saw the love still felt for him, that relief was tangible as well. He in fact seemed overwhelmed by it. I was in tears for him, remembering what had brought him to this place that was now difficult for him to even contemplate.

Yeah, I realize I'm making excuses for him, but I'll be honest with you, I don't give a s*** that he was drunk or not before he put himsef before the masses again. I am extremely glad he pulled it together before he hit the podium, or he would have been further brutalized. But what happened that day has nothing to do with the kind of father he was. He was a GREAT father. He was also a scared human being about to put himself in a public arena again and that arena had nearly literally destroyed him.

MJ often said people don't know what it's like to be him. My imagination isn't good enough to even begin to know the damage that had been done to his psyche, but what I do know of people who are NOT artists, but just out here privately trying to make it everyday, again...it makes me marvel the strength he did have.
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^^^ Well said. I agree with you.
 
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ronia said:
I don't mind if he was drinking alcohol from time to time but if he was drunk by the press conference I really dislike that. I mean he was working then and how do you feel if someone else is drunk while working? It is only okay by artists? He was a father to three minor children. It is responsible to be drunk than? Really I don't mind him drinking in private on a moderate level but if this is true this would be disgusting for me.
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Wasn't MJ human?Was he not allowed to have moments of self-doubt?
 
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According to Roger, the Jacksons are behind the leak of these emails. No surprise here, eh? They should be ashamed.
 
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gerryevans said:
I can understand your feelings, but quite frankly I've been absolutely amazed MJ handled things as well as he did. This was someone who had been brutalized, dehumanized, ripped to shreds in a public arena, on trial literally for his life, and all he ever wanted to do was make people happy and the world a better place. Now he was about to put himself out there again. He once was NEVER nervous to go out on a stage, it was home for him, and now the prospect of it consumed him with fear and self doubt.

When I watch the TII DVD where they showed him backstage before he was about to go out there with that announcement, his fear was tangible. And when he got out there and saw the love still felt for him, that relief was tangible as well. He in fact seemed overwhelmed by it. I was in tears for him, remembering what had brought him to this place that was now difficult for him to even contemplate.

Yeah, I realize I'm making excuses for him, but I'll be honest with you, I don't give a s*** that he was drunk or not before he put himsef before the masses again. I am extremely glad he pulled it together before he hit the podium, or he would have been further brutalized. But what happened that day has nothing to do with the kind of father he was. He was a GREAT father. He was also a scared human being about to put himself in a public arena again and that arena had nearly literally destroyed him.

MJ often said people don't know what it's like to be him. My imagination isn't good enough to even begin to know the damage that had been done to his psyche, but what I do know of people who are NOT artists, but just out here privately trying to make it everyday, again...it makes me marvel the strength he did have.
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You said it perfectly.
 
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Well said gerry
 
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This is purely speculation on my part, but I was wondering if the same happened to Michael that happened in the morning of MSG concert 2001? I know some people will get mad for bringing this out but there are so much similarities with what happen in press conference 2009 (whether Michael was drunk or he might have taken painkillers) and in the morning of MSG concert 2001. Some of you have read Frank Cascio's book and are familiar with the story (page 218), so Randy P could have been mistaken Michael being drunk rather than taken painkillers?
 
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Bubs said:
This is purely speculation on my part, but I was wondering if the same happened to Michael that happened in the morning of MSG concert 2001? I know some people will get mad for bringing this out but there are so much similarities with what happen in press conference 2009 (whether Michael was drunk or he might have taken painkillers) and in the morning of MSG concert 2001. Some of you have read Frank Cascio's book and are familiar with the story (page 218), so Randy P could have been mistaken Michael being drunk rather than taken painkillers?
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It's possible, unless Randy P. could see bottles strewn about or smell alcohol on his breath. But either way, I can understand why Michael could get a panic attack. Who wouldn't after what he'd been through.
 
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layla2 said:
Wasn't MJ human?Was he not allowed to have moments of self-doubt?
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Of course he could have as many moments of self-doubt as he wants to have but I was referring to to "drunk while working" part. And "drunk while being a parent".

I am a social worker who has worked with parents who drank too much and I am sick and tired of every excuse for getting drunk.

He was Michael Jackson but he was also a father with responsibilties and I see him only as a father not as the superstar on that matter.
 
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If you see him as a father then you should know that does kids never wanted for love were fed schooled and spent of plenty of time with their father. Hence was he was called the best father you could image. You have some nerve really try seeing Michael has human before you see him as anything else
 
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gerryevans said:
I can understand your feelings, but quite frankly I've been absolutely amazed MJ handled things as well as he did. This was someone who had been brutalized, dehumanized, ripped to shreds in a public arena, on trial literally for his life, and all he ever wanted to do was make people happy and the world a better place. Now he was about to put himself out there again. He once was NEVER nervous to go out on a stage, it was home for him, and now the prospect of it consumed him with fear and self doubt.

When I watch the TII DVD where they showed him backstage before he was about to go out there with that announcement, his fear was tangible. And when he got out there and saw the love still felt for him, that relief was tangible as well. He in fact seemed overwhelmed by it. I was in tears for him, remembering what had brought him to this place that was now difficult for him to even contemplate.

Yeah, I realize I'm making excuses for him, but I'll be honest with you, I don't give a s*** that he was drunk or not before he put himsef before the masses again. I am extremely glad he pulled it together before he hit the podium, or he would have been further brutalized. But what happened that day has nothing to do with the kind of father he was. He was a GREAT father. He was also a scared human being about to put himself in a public arena again and that arena had nearly literally destroyed him.

MJ often said people don't know what it's like to be him. My imagination isn't good enough to even begin to know the damage that had been done to his psyche, but what I do know of people who are NOT artists, but just out here privately trying to make it everyday, again...it makes me marvel the strength he did have.
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No, these are not excuses. It's being empathic instead of judgmental.

Michael had his problems, but if he was ever drunk or drugged, I don't think he ever did that in front of his children.
 
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^ Yes, it's the lack of empathy that i find so telling when people talk about mj. That 05 trial was only 4 yrs previously, the most publicised in history, where his reputation was torn apart for months by being accused of the most terrible things, his home ransacked and his privacy violated, people threatening to take away his children and the fear of incarceration for a crime he didn't commit. And what does gongleware say about mj - he's lazy, and randy phillips expressing surprise that mj might be attacked by nerves when announcing his comeback. HOw can they ignore what he went through?

Great post gerryevans. I agree totally, mj was so incredibly brave.
 
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Vici said:
This isnt the first time someone says MJ was drunk during the press conference. Back in 2011 Dr MUrrays team said this too.

"Lawyers for Dr Conrad Murray have alleged Michael Jackson was drunk at the announcement of his This Is It tour in London.

Michael Jackson's news conference started 90 minutes late because the singer was unconscious backstage, Dr Murray's defence team have told a judge.

The claim comes as the Houston cardiologist is due to stand trial for involuntary manslaughter.

His lawyers claim to have video taken backstage at the news conference in March 2009 in which it is "readily apparent" that Jackson "was under the influence".

However, the judge presiding over the trial has ruled against the footage being shown in court, deeming it irrelevant because it occurred months before Jackson died. "
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I wonder if this footage will be involved in any of these lawsuits, and if it is, if it means we will see it.
 
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ronia said:
Of course he could have as many moments of self-doubt as he wants to have but I was referring to to "drunk while working" part. And "drunk while being a parent".

I am a social worker who has worked with parents who drank too much and I am sick and tired of every excuse for getting drunk.

He was Michael Jackson but he was also a father with responsibilties and I see him only as a father not as the superstar on that matter.
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as a social worker u should know not to judge without hearing the full story. Yet u are accusing mj of alsorts and trying to put him into the same bracket as alcoholic parents that dont look after the kids right cause of these articles Please.

yes bubs mez said in 05 trial mj had to take meds that would make him appear drunk to others.
 
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la_cienega said:
I wonder if this footage will be involved in any of these lawsuits, and if it is, if it means we will see it.
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if i remember right the defence admitted later they didnt have any such evidence
 
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